When will gay marriage be legal in all 50 states?

[bluestateguy]

[Donnachaidh]

1. considering the fundies and other religious whackjobs - I'll wait for the

"hell freezes over" button.

[seabeyond]

3. what country has same sex marriage? we point the finger at the u.s.

the puritan, fundamentalist. we look over the pond to all of european wisdom, yet with thought

what country legalizes same sex marriage?

[bigwillq]

12. Here

The Netherlands, Belgium, Canada, Spain, Norway, Sweden, and South Africa are the only countries in which the legal status of same-sex marriages are exactly the same as that of opposite-sex marriages.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage

[seabeyond]

20. well, i am surprised. i have not heard this. but... i am glad to be told

thanks for the site.

[bigwillq]

21. No problem

Happy reading.

[robo50]

47. I'm glad you are brave enough to ask and to appreciate learning that

you were woefully uninformed on the issue.

If Canada can have it from coast to coast, and all those other "Christian" nations, what the heck is wrong with people in the USA?

I have spent many wonderful days in Canada and the UK, France, the Netherlands, I can tell you, only up-tight Americans give this a second thought. It seems like ONLY the USA is filled with fear-mongering idiots who get elected or who vote. There is a monument to gay equality in Amsterdam, "HOMOMOMUMENT" it is called. Remember, that nation was under Nazi occupation, and learned about freedom the hard way.

[Ex Lurker]

35. didn't I hear something about Argentina recently?

and I could've sworn there are a few other countries in South America that have it too.

[Unvanguard]

13. Spain, Sweden, Belgium, the Netherlands, Canada, South Africa, Norway

and it's looking like Portugal too, soon.

What was your point again?

[Prophet 451]

31. Quite a few others have identical-in-all-but-name arrangements too

Including my own UK.

[ThatsMyBarack]

2. Gay marriage will be ILLEGAL in all 50 states....

Next time a repuke steals a presidential election. I hope to be dead by then.

[Unvanguard]

7. Not a chance. They couldn't get that through in the darkest days of Bush.

And they will only get weaker with time on this issue.

[cali]

28. ridiculous. how would that even work??

[Political Heretic]

45. That's highly unlikely. They are consistently losing ground in this issue.

[tabbycat31]

4. if we had a better Supreme Court

one case could legalize gay marriage the same way that Loving v. Virginia declared marriage a civil right. Unfortunately we need to get rid of at least one of the RWers for this to happen.

[Unvanguard]

10. That will probably be how it ends. But unlike Loving, it will be a follower, not a leader.

More like Lawrence v. Texas: the Supreme Court will impose marriage equality on the few holdouts long after most of the country already has it.

(Well, unless David Boies and Ted Olson succeed in their effort, but I wouldn't bet on that.)

[Ex Lurker]

34. that's the only way I see it happening

I don't think Utah, et al, will ever do it of their own accord.

[David Zephyr]

5. Never

Not in all 50 states.

Even many pseudo-liberals get the willies from my GLBT sisters and brothers when they are honest and worse, when they are in the privacy of a voting booth.

The only demographic group in American that is consistently for GLBT rights is Jewish-Americans which is why I am such a fan of American Jews. They are the most righteous single group in this country, and while they are not all good, I know how they vote and that's enough for me.

If I was a believer, I'd be in a Temple right now.

[Unvanguard]

6. Somewhere between 2030-2050. It will happen. n/t

[agentS]

8. I'd go with 2020

I think it's gonna take a Supreme Court decision, like Loving V Virginia, to pull off but we don't have the Supreme Court on our side for that. We will if Obama stays president thru 2015. Scalia ain't looking too good these days...

[iris27]

9. When public opinion has changed enough to get an SC appointed that will come

out with a Loving v. Virginia-esque ruling on gay marriage to which all states must comply.

Sometime in between 2025 and never.

[bluestateguy]

11. I voted for 2025 in my own poll

Demographic magic will continue to work its wonders as the old fart homophobic haters, er, leave us, with accelerating speed in the next few years.

[dhpgetsit]

14. It will happen, but not until after...

marijuana is legal in 50 states.

[LuvNewcastle]

15. Never is a long time.

The people in their late teens and twenties who I have talked to are progressive about gay rights, generally speaking. I think that as they get more involved in politics and the older generation dies out, we'll see more and more states pass marriage equality laws. Most states will have marriage equality in 20 years, but I'm guessing it will be another 10 years after that before it becomes legal in all states.

[Oregone]

16. Heh, if "states" still exist in that amount of time

[JerseygirlCT]

17. It's going to take the Supreme Court

state by state, it's hard to imagine when.

[LostInAnomie]

18. Around 2030 would be my guess.

Not because we will become a more accepting or enlightened people, but because most of the people that oppose it now will have died off.

[Throd]

19. March 30, 2041

[michreject]

22. Never

Some states have a constitutional amendment. Mi. is one. It would take 2/3 vote to change it. I don't see that happening.

[FreeState]

23. When Democrats stop triangulating GLBT voters and actually deliver on their rhetoric n/t

[Yuugal]

25. +1 nt

[bigwillq]

26. ....

:thumbsup:

[Jamastiene]

27. +1000000

Best answer. :applause:

[NMMNG]

30. In other words,

When hell freezes over? :shrug:

[Political Heretic]

46. If you are waiting for Democrats, it will never happen.

We must move beyond that on this issue.

[hyphenate]

24. The same day

the ERA will be signed into law.

[cali]

29. never? what's with the defeatism?

we've made huge strides in the last 10 years. It may take another 10 or 20, but it's inevitable.

[theHandpuppet]

37. Yeah, what's the big deal?

I mean, so what's all the fuss about rights... the millions who will suffer for another decade or two... those who will die before they are ever recognized as full citizens of this country? My partner and I may not live to see that day, but what the hell.

[cali]

39. could you have twisted my words anymore disgustingly and dishonestly?

nope. not fucking remotely possible, sweetie. And you and your partner could fucking well get married and live in a state where marriage is recognized. Maybe it's just not as important to you as you claim.

[theHandpuppet]

41. Sometimes, Cali, you deserve to be dressed down

But your response to my post isn't even worth that amount of effort.

[Fumesucker]

43. IIRC, you live in Vermont, cali..

Come down here to the Bible Belt and things look vastly different..

Homophobia is as "real Murkin" as meth and teen pregnancy down here.

[struggle4progress]

32. It depends on the strategy. It'll take 20-25 years to clear the Federal Courts of the

current crop of right-wingers. And for the next 5-10 years we might expect many state voters to vote against gay marriage (as they have in most recent elections), in response to ballot options or in reaction to state court efforts to legalize it. To get a majority of voters voting for gay marriage, one may need to wait until much of the opposition literally dies off. For faster results, the objective should be to make whatever progress one can, because progress will defuse the issue: it'll be harder and harder for the neanderthals to argue gay marriage is a real threat as the number of states allowing gay marriage and/or civil unions increases. If (say) all Federal discrimination was eliminated, if a handful of states allowed gay marriage, and if half the states allowed civil unions, I think the opposition would have no traction at all -- because most voters would realize pretty quickly that the rightwing fear-mongering was idiotic

[Ex Lurker]

33. not in my lifetime (I'm 48 and have good longevity genes.)

Barring some kind of federal approach, I just don't envision any reasonably plausible scenario under which the reddest states would ever legalize it.

[RebelOne]

36. Well, I know not in my lifetime.

I am 70 years old and will probably live at least another 10 to 15 years.

[LWolf]

38. Other: Someday, but well beyond 2025. nt

[dysfunctional press]

40. within my lifetime.

i'm 48.9

[Angleae]

42. It took a constitutional amendment to free the slaves and for women to vote

It will take the same for gay marriage. I.E. never.

[Political Heretic]

44. I cannot believe how many people say never. Some days this place makes me ill.

Most days it doesn't, but some days I just shake my head.

We had a civil rights movement in this country ones, oh ye of short term memory. We must and will have one again.

[Fumesucker]

48. A lot of it depends on where you live..

If you come to my state, bright red and in the buckle of the Bible Belt maybe you'll understand why so many people say it will never happen.

[Political Heretic]

49. Dude, I live in Idaho.

Okay, I now live in Oregon, but for the last 15 years I lived in Idaho.