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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 11:30 PM
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I really wonder where we would be today IF.
When we voted there were no delegates or super delegates or electoral vote but just paper ballots all counted and we went by the popular vote.

To me it has always seemed like a scan to do it any other way.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 11:31 PM
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1. Primary or general?
And it's hard to say because different rules would mean that the candidates would adopt different campaign strategies.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 11:42 PM
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5. Both. If we don't force this to change then we get what we are offered
and our votes mean nothing. Add to this campaign finance re-form , no more corporations voting or groups just person votes all counted on a paper ballot. I also want to add if a senator or congress member wants to run they have their 2 or 6 year record , run on that it will force them to work for the people and they will not be aloowed to campaign at all. Let them be forced to stant on their record same for any president , he or she would have 4 years of a record to use as their proof.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 11:32 PM
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2. The electoral collage will never change. Super Delegates are a different story.
We dump them tomorrow if we wanted to.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 11:32 PM
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3. The problem is that the people who would have to make that change are in
a position to benefit from the current situation and have absolutely no impetus to change it.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 11:35 PM
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4. Well that's true . But what if ? nt
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:00 AM
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6. Probably wondering IF things would be better if we had an electoral college and electronic voting.
First, paper ballots are easier to cheat than electronic voting, as any study of Louisiana or Texas election history can show.

Second, the electoral college rarely makes a difference. In an honest election, it wouldn't have even altered the 2000 results. Do away with it, and we'll have just as many problems, though they might be a little different in nature. Instead of small states getting too much attention, for instance, small states and small towns and rural areas would get no attention.

Third, the world is run by rich crooks. You won't develop a system they can't take over and corrupt from the beginning. You wouldn't even slow them down.

The answer under such a system would be the same as it is under today's: work your ass off to make a difference, and hope it's enough.
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