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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 08:25 AM
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Health care 'overhaul'? The devil's in the details
Dr. Coates wrote this in part to support Rep. Eric Massa, democrat who voted against the health care "reform" bill, please see the entire article at the link.
http://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/news/opinion/2009/12/COMMENT-Health-care-overhaul-The-devils-in-the-details/

on December 29, 2009

by Andrew Coates

<snip>

The crux of the legislation in Congress is compulsory private
insurance. Under the "individual mandate," a long-held wish of the
insurance companies, the government will coerce people to become and
remain their paying customers.

If you're uninsured and you don't buy health insurance, the Senate
bill allows a fine of up to 2 percent of your income, assessed by the
IRS. (It's 2.5 percent in the House bill.) Pay the fine and you're
free to remain uninsured.

If you simply can't afford a policy, according to the Senate bill, you
can avoid paying the fine by applying for a "hardship waiver." Get the
waiver and you're free to remain uninsured.

Since the legislation does nothing to make insurance affordable, tax
money will subsidize private insurance premiums for those who earn up
to 400 percent of the federal poverty level. But those earning up to
400 percent of the poverty level would still have to pay up to 9.8
percent of their income for insurance (under the Senate bill). This
taxpayer gift to insurance companies will amount to as much as $476
billion - half a trillion dollars - over a decade.

The Senate formula also pushes the onus of health costs onto
individual families by imposing a 40 percent tax on high-cost health
plans, an incentive to reduce coverage. This will especially impact
residents of states with high insurance costs, like our own state;
union members with comprehensive benefits; companies that employ women
(whose group insurance costs are higher), and plans that cover older
employees (whose insurance costs are higher).

The Senate bill also encourages skimpy coverage by allowing the most
basic plans to cover only 60 percent of actual health costs on top of
growing of out-of-pocket expenses. Prescription drug costs have gone
up 9 percent this year. Meanwhile, the insurance industry itself has
estimated premium hikes of 79 to 111 percent over the coming decade.

In addition to millions of new customers for insurance companies, the
legislation seeks an enormous expansion of Medicaid, with new
enrollment of millions of people by expanding eligibility to those who
earn up to 150 percent of the federal poverty level. But we know from
bitter experience that having Medicaid is no guarantee of access to
care, nor will it reduce disparities in care.

If private insurance will remain a defective product and Medicaid will
remain a poor program for poor people and the legislation will not
reign in costs - where is the reform?

But perhaps most startling is that the major features of the
legislation would not begin until 2013, after the next presidential
election, and then would take effect gradually over six years more.
Such a proposal hardly seems worthy of the name "overhaul" when we
remember that Medicare passed in 1964 and was up and running in 1965.

<snip>

It's time to scrap this pro-insurance-company legislation and start
over. A good starting point would be the improvement and expansion of
Medicare to cover every person in the United States.



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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 08:36 AM
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1. Fail by the 4th paragraph.
"Since the legislation does nothing to make insurance affordable"

accuracy fail.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:10 AM
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5. I believe he meant it does nothing to bring down premium costs
He does go on to say there will be subsidies to assist people in purchasing it. It is noted in the article that the industry, itself, predicts a rise in premium costs of 79-111%. This means we are still looking at the possibility of health care costs doubling over a decade which was one of the reasons we needed reform.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:32 AM
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7. How does the legislation make it affordable?
Details? (devil's there remember)
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:39 AM
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9. Teaser: the legislation does NOT make insurance affordable; that is why there are subsidies
If it were affordable, you wouldn't need the subsidies.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:12 AM
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15. wow. I've heard that a perfect example of "circular reasoning" existed
but I never expected to see one for real.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:17 AM
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16. It's not circular if you think of affordability as "price"
The price of this stuff is not controlled at all by the bill. That's what the author means.

The subsidies are there so that the insurance industry does not have to make their product affordable to people; they can have the government (taxpayer, you and me) give people extra money for an unaffordable product.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 06:39 PM
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25. Thanks
you explained this better than I could...
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 11:08 AM
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17. +1
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:21 PM
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20. + :)
:hi:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 08:36 AM
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2. Mitt Romney Care? Is this what we have here? Cuz that's what it sounds like to me.
How is it that we have ended up with the Republican Presidential candidates health care insurance mandates?
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 08:38 AM
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3. "Mitt Romney Care" was created by a Democratic Legislature with the help of Ted Kennedy
Edited on Thu Dec-31-09 08:39 AM by Teaser
Mitt signed it 'cause he had to, and back then wanted to seem "moderate".
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 08:47 AM
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4. So what?

Does that "D" give it the mark of papal infallibility?

It still sucks.

K&R
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:36 AM
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8. Ditto this...
Who really cares which party designed it, bad is bad...
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:08 AM
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13. I don't care.
Edited on Thu Dec-31-09 10:10 AM by Teaser
The user tries to impugn the bill by associating it with a republican. The user fails.

It is not a Republican bill. It is a wholly Democratic one, and a liberal Democratic bill to boot.

Whether you support Massachucetts' insurance reforms or not means very little to me. Intellectual dishonesty, however, is a major peeve.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 11:49 AM
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18. Speaks volumes...

about liberals, and the Democratic Party, that people have a hard time telling the difference.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:33 PM
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22. Let's get the author's intention right, from the link
Edited on Thu Dec-31-09 12:34 PM by maryf
""Still a government takeover of health care," the Republicans in Congress say."
"The culmination of a struggle begun by Theodore Roosevelt," Vice President Biden says." (Its Biden who pulls in the Republican connection, wouldn't you say?)

Sounds to me he's stating points from both sides of the aisle here, and I know he's not trying to associate it with a Republican. I believe the paragraph was trying to set up as a case for Massa as non partisan, despite being a Democrat...

"Against so much political posturing, Representative Eric Massa has proven himself unique in Congress: someone who sticks to the facts."
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oreo3leg Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:24 AM
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6. Kennedy's bill in Mass was only the beginning of giving to private
insurance companies. It played out with the Senate proposal.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:04 AM
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12. People in Mass
are opting to pay the fine there, cheaper than the premiums...poor lose again...
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:09 AM
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14. how many people?
Let's get some data.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:20 PM
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19. According to one source 100,000
"the Institute for America’s Future, a liberal think tank, issued another scathing indictment of the Massachusetts’ plan. Among its findings:

* Average health care premiums in the state are rising faster than the national average
* Although the ranks of the uninsured have diminished in the state, thanks to massive subsidies for people up to 300% over the poverty limit, 100,000 people who don’t qualify for state help are opting to pay the fine rather than purchase health care. In other words, Massachusetts residents now have to pay the state for the privilege of remaining uninsured in the state. This is something that I had predicted would happen (and hence coined the moniker TonySopranoCare to describe the Massachusetts plan).
* Most devastatingly: 13% people who have coverage had to forego critical care or prescription drugs because they couldn’t afford the co-pays – meaning that even the insured in the Bay State have to forego care, defeating the whole purpose of universal coverage.

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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:28 PM
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21. more data at link for pdf

www.ourfuture.org/files/MA_Health_Reform_Final.pdf

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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:38 PM
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23. I posted in the wrong place!
with the fine info, thanks! Massachusetts was a prototype for a private insurance giveaway...
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:40 AM
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10. Former Wellpoint VP is lead author of Senate healthcare bill
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:03 AM
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11. Thanks
as one poster said "quelle surprise!"
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:42 PM
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24. k & r
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