Is wishing someone dead a progressive virtue?

[wtmusic]

Holy. Fucking. Shit. The noise and bloodlust around this place is deafening. And sickening.

The only difference between Rush and their brother-in-law, their neighbor, their co-worker and a hundred million or so other Americans is that Rush has a microphone. Do we want them dead too? Does the right need a martyr?

Best wishes for a speedy recovery, Rush.

“He that studieth revenge keepeth his own wounds green, which otherwise would heal and do well.”

John Milton

[hlthe2b]

1. No...

but at the other extreme, I don't think expressing well wishes that are NOT sincere (as is clearly the case for some, not necessarily the OP) is any less hypocritical. I think saying nothing (or at least nothing specific) is the better course here. Just my opinion and worth little, I suppose.

[kenny blankenship]

2. it can be

Depends on who you're talking about.

[WhiteTara]

3. wishing the planet a better population

is a progressive ideal.

[el_bryanto]

9. That's pretty sinister isn't it?

A better population? Who else should we get rid of?

Bryant

[WhiteTara]

13. it's not our choice...it is totally up to the universe

who is here and who isn't. We can only dream/hope and work for of a "better" future.

[Posteritatis]

16. Interesting dodge. (nt)

[el_bryanto]

Do you believe in a kind or a cruel universe n/t

[Forkboy]

35. I believe in an indifferent one.

[WhiteTara]

53. impersonal.

[el_bryanto]

54. Not sure there's any difference between a cruel and an impersonal universe.

Either way most of us are fucked.

Bryant

[WhiteTara]

77. impersonal is not cruel

we all die...is that what you mean by "fucked"? Or that the Rushs of the world stack the deck?

[Zywiec]

10. Yeah, we can call it a "final solution" n/t

[WhiteTara]

15. I'm not so sure death is the final

solution to anything...even us.

[Winterblues]

4. It is wishing an evil away just like we do about Al Qaeda

or Bin Laden. I don't see a lot of difference between the two evils myself, Bin Laden or rush Limbaugh. They both are out to destroy America, neither actually takes part in the killings but both egg on the killers and finance them as well.

[marshall]

5. It's another version of the human sentiment that causes war

First comes the thought, then the action.

[wtmusic]

8. Amen. nt

[WI_DEM]

6. DU is a website. It doesn't necessarily represent the view of all progressives or liberals

and on websites--anonymously--people sound off. It shouldn't be taken seriously.

[Moochy]

7. Martyr?

:eyes:

[KG]

27. Martyr?

:rofl:

[Moochy]

28. Their holy symbol could be a rosary made of oxycontins

with a hospital bed as a replacement for the crucifix!

[shireen]

11. thanks, i've found those posts pretty awful to read

i hate Rush, but not enough to want him sicker or dead. i hope he gets well soon.

[GoneOffShore]

92. why?

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[RedCloud]

14. hate talk radio did not learn its lessons from JFK, MLK, RFK

They kept blabbing their hate talk all along. And these hate mongers inspire their minions and ditto heads to murder and they cast blame on the victim.

If I see Limbaugh and Obama both drowning, I will rush to Obama's aid after first making him understand how I feel about a few things. If time permits and my back feels like it can pull several hundred excess pounds out, I will come back for Limbaugh.

[sagetea]

17. Oh I don't wish him dead...

I wish for him to live in the world he has created.
That is far, far more devastating!

Ho
sage

[liberal N proud]

18. I just want him off the air

My neighbors don't have a microphone and can't influence millions of unsuspecting morons.

[CanonRay]

19. Oh well, so I'm not virtuous

Fuck it. I hope the asshole croaks. In pain.

[Voltaire]

43. I concur with CanonRay

I guess I'm a bad person, but I hope that motherfucker dies the most painful death imaginable. Preferably on television, so his brain dead minions can see it and realize that he is NOT God.

And I would sleep like a baby conscience clear.

[muffin1]

48. + a brazillion

That disgusting pig is at least partly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths - from screeching against health care reform to cheerleading for the run-up to the Iraq war. Fuck him.

[Arkana]

20. No. It's human nature to want the American Goebbels dead.

[JohnnyLib2]

21. At the personal level--

God forbid I should ever react to anyone's medical problems the way he frequently does.

I'm imposing the same embargo on myself used during the Michael Jackson death.

[Enrique]

22. what are you, some kind of purist?

;-)

[Dappleganger]

23. Calling Evil for what it is...

personally, I see nothing wrong with hoping that the universe is rid of evil and those who perpetuate it daily and then gain money and fame from it.

[FedUpWithIt All]

24. There is nothing progressive about it.

While i vehemently disagree with Rush's rhetoric, i wish the man peace, health joined with the sincere hope that enlightenment comes with the experience and healing.

[sharesunited]

25. I hate what he says, but he's a great broadcaster.

And the hearing impairment he has overcome may very well make him the greatest broadcaster of all time.

[Gman2]

26. FUCK HIM, he has made it him or me. Guess which one I root for.

I hope he spends an eternity waiting hand and foot for N@#$gers,Sp7609cks, J087ws, and especially feminazis. And I hope Reagan has to kiss the feet of caddillac welfare queens.

[NoSheep]

29. I don't know but I do it all the time.

:shrug:

[NoSheep]

31. Howz this? "Get well soon, you hate mongering lying piece of shit".

[winyanstaz]

93. Hallmark needs a card like that :)

I know I would send one to him :)

[City Lights]

30. That microphone makes him very influential.

I don't wish him dead, though. I don't wish him anything at all. But when his time comes, I won't shed a tear.

[Obamanaut]

32. It is not a virtue for anyone. Considering the number of voices against

the death penalty here at DU, it seems that it really should not be a virtue here.

[Marr]

33. When did "Progressive" become a religious term?

I call myself a liberal, not a "progressive", personally-- but I don't see how either word relates in any way to the subject in your post. I thought these terms described practical political goals, not some kind of thought-policing. I *certainly* don't see how they're related to being sweet and positive all the time. I think we could do with a lot fewer sweet, meek liberals, in fact.

So yes, you can wish someone dead and be a fantastic "progressive". You can drive a tank or jump out of airplanes and be a progressive. You can worship Jesus or sacrifice to Ba'al and be a progressive. You can be an asshole. These things are unrelated.

For the record, I certainly do not wish Rush Limbaugh a "speedy recovery", and I suspect you don't either.

[wtmusic]

37. Nothing to do with religion

If we accept the idea that revenge being replaced by justice represents progress, then yes: revenge is regressive.

[Marr]

39. If moral masturbation is added to the party platform...

...I'll consider it at that point. Until then, this has nothing to do with politics.

[wtmusic]

41. Of course it has nothing to do with politics.

You seem a bit hung up on that.

[wtmusic]

42. Edited to add "being sweet and positive all the time"?

Not wishing someone dead equates to that?

You're going from bad to worse. :eyes:

[Marr]

44. Edited to add a few things, yes, and erase errors.

Then saw you'd responded.

[Marr]

45. Since you don't like editing, I'll post my edit in a new post.

I think you're just miffed because you wanted to play the moral beacon, and collect a little easy applause for stating some moralistic, PC bullshit. Well, I don't agree with it-- and I'd bet you cash money that everyone offering lukewarm praise here doesn't wish Limbaugh health and long life, either. It's just more socially acceptable to lie.

:shrug:

[wtmusic]

46. You nailed it. I live for your praise.

Ah well, you caught me with my pants down trying to play that "virtue" card. You're one sharp motherfucker. :rofl:

[NoSheep]

34. No...but actually killing them for profit IS a conservative virtue.

Oh hell this could go on all day. I've got a million of em.

:rofl:

[Hoopla Phil]

36. no

[Peacetrain]

38. No

[cherish44]

40. I'm more marvelling at Karma making an evil person her bitch

I don't wish him dead, I hope he recovers and decides to change his nasty ways. (Yeah I don't think it'll happen either but that's my best case scenario)

[Deep13]

47. Is lying about how we feel truly a virtue?

:shrug:

[Lilith Velkor]

49. Yes, if that someone is a fascist.

[bridgit]

50. Oh no, Rush is just a comedian, right? People are just handing it back deathly joke for deathly joke

It's a form of 'black humor' - like Death Becomes Her :thumbsup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zMw1y5M2xE

black humor, in literature, drama, and film, grotesque or morbid humor used to express the absurdity, insensitivity, paradox, and cruelty of the modern world. Ordinary characters or situations are usually exaggerated far beyond the limits of normal satire or irony. Black humor uses devices often associated with tragedy and is sometimes equated with tragic farce. For example, Stanley Kubrick's film Dr. Strangelove; or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1963) is a terrifying comic treatment of the circumstances surrounding the dropping of an atom bomb, while Jules Feiffer's comedy Little Murders (1965) is a delineation of the horrors of modern urban life, focusing particularly on random assassinations. The novels of such writers as Kurt Vonnegut, Thomas Pynchon, John Barth, Joseph Heller, and Philip Roth contain elements of black humor.

http://www.answers.com/topic/black-comedy

[piratefish08]

51. since 'wishing' someone (fill in the blank) has zero effect on the outcome -

what difference does it make?


:shrug:

[Stinky The Clown]

52. Do a search on "hate" or "hater" in this forum or GDP

It will be an enlightening endeavor.

[blondeatlast]

55. But one would have to cancel one's celebratory gig for this evening... nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

56. If it's Rush, then yes.

I can't take seriously any progressive who doesn't want the fucker to suffer and die.

[ProfessorGAC]

89. +1

I can't add anything to your post.
GAC

[FLDCVADem]

57. I'm kind of surprised

I was reamed yesterday for openly stating that I don't care if they withhold pain medication from the panty bomber to get him to talk, and I tune in here today to see all the pain and death wishes...some from the very same people that were crawling up my ass.

I guess what's good for the goose doesn't always work for the gander...

[blondeatlast]

60. You were ADVOCATING TORTURE, not that nature take its inevitable course..

HUGE difference.

[FLDCVADem]

62. And when you advocate a painful death

as you did, that is a type of torture as well.
But since you're in favor of pain for someone you dislike, it's all good. :)

[blondeatlast]

63. Nature taking its course is not painful. I went through the same thing

that bile-spewing coward did.

He's not in pain.

[FLDCVADem]

64. Really?

You know exactly what he's going through?

Please clue us in as I've been dying to find out if it's a heart attack or something else.

BTW, I burned my finger once too, so I know how the panty bomber feels. He'll live after the blister heals.

[blondeatlast]

66. Yes, I've had a near heart attack at the age of 40. I also went bankrupt

because of it--my husband's employer was not paying the insurance premiums.

Go ahead--hit me again.

[FLDCVADem]

70. Don't be pissed at me

I'm not the one that didn't pay the premiums.

[blondeatlast]

71. Aaawww, do you feel all warm and fuzzy inside now? nt

[walldude]

78. Judging from the amounts of Oxycodone he was/is taking

I'm sure he's not in any pain. Would you have been angry if Hitler was wished to die? Because Rushbo is nothing but a little Nazi racist wannabe. Sad to say with his money and high quality health care he'll be living a long life, so I don't bother to wish him dead.

You come onto DU advocating torture of prisoners, and then wish Rush Limbaugh well and you are confused by the response? What are you new? :rofl:

[blondeatlast]

81. My guess is not new, but "refurbished". nt

[walldude]

82. LOL... seems to be a lot of that going around..

No problem, plenty of pepperoni waiting in the wings. Happy New Year!

[pitohui]

69. the panty bomber is a tool, rush is the guy using the tools

you don't see the difference between a mentally weak lonely sack sad piece of shit manipulated by propaganda artists -- and the propaganda artists who put millions in their own pocket without taking a moment's physical risk?

really?

you can't see that?

you need to get out more, seriously

[FLDCVADem]

72. And here we go...

...sympathy for the guy that was more than willing to kill hundreds of innocent people.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no Rush Limbaugh fan, but if you can't see your own hypocrisy, then I'm not the one that needs to get out more.

[blondeatlast]

73. No, it doesn't, and you may not want to see the thread that tells me he doesn't.

This one's just nasty and sadistic.

[Luminous Animal]

58. Hey look! I've got a microphone! I'm just like Rush!

Wishing a white supremacist propagandist dead is indeed progressive.

[Doctor_J]

59. No. Wringing our hands and hoping Kucinich becomes prez are though

How's that going?

:eyes:

[pitohui]

61. rush wishes me to die, i was 15 yrs w.out health insurance

i wish him to receive what he has deliberately fought to bring to many others -- a painful death amid a pile of bills that will destroy his family

rush wants my family destroyed and me dead, because i was born w. a genetic illness that made it hard to get insured

he wants many other families destroyed or dead, apparently for no greater crime than having skin a different color from his

there is nothing wrong w. pointing out to whatever gods there be that some people on this earth have overstayed their limits, you would surely not have wished hitler well or musolini well -- or if you would have, then you are truly self hating

rush is a spokesman for hate, racism, and destruction of communities

no sane person wishes him healthy and able to continue to spread the message of hate

even jesus had some shit up with which he wouldn't put, hence the story of how he whipped the money changers out of the temples

let's not pretend we are better than jesus

i'm not gonna pretend i'm a little angel -- i am not so forgiving as to want health and the ability to fight for a general in the armies of evil

rush is an evil man, if fate takes him, GOOD

too many progressives put their own self image above what is good and practical -- yeah, it's uncomfortable to admit you're an actual breathing human being who hates the boot that crushes you but you know what? admit it, it's fucking HEALTHY to hate the boot that crushes you

to love big brother is the sin you're committing here

get out of your comfort zone, admiring your own whatever-it-is you think you possess by forgiving this guy is just ridiculous and self-hating

he's not your brother-in-law, he's a propagandist who has earned millions spreading hate that kills

[Iggo]

65. I'm not wishing him dead.

But I'll be happy when he dies. I may even laugh. In fact, I'm sure I will.

[blondeatlast]

67. Exactly--and I won't apologize for it. nt

[AndrewP]

68. The way I deal with that person in the news today is to ignore that person

It takes too much of my personal mental health to think about him more than I have to, either way.

[Forkboy]

74. Sure. Actually doing the deed not so much.

[LostInAnomie]

75. Meh... "Progressive" doesn't necessarily equate to "moral".

[REP]

76. Thanks for your concern

Gosh, aren't you wonderful.

[Quantess]

79. Last night the DU was steeped in hatred and negativity, just as bad as Rush's own shows.

The hatred was spilling into other topics, not even related to Rush Limbaugh. Do you really want to be part of that ugliness? If this keeps up it's enough to make me want to leave DU.

Recommended.

[Odin2005]

80. Nope. people should be ashamed of themselves. Lotsa bad karma brewing...

[Forkboy]

83. Karma isn't real.

Random things happen to random people at random times, and sometimes it's a good person and sometimes it's bad person. Someone can be more likely to have bad things happen to them because of life decisions (a shark wrangler will die sooner than a mouse wrangler, for instance), but bad things aren't going to happen to someone because they were mean to someone else at some point in their life and some unknown, unseeable entity deems them finally deserving of something happening to them to make up for it.

And if there was what's the cutoff point where you go from being a prick to a prick worthy of karma's attention? Why did karma wait so long to get around to people like Papa Doc Duvalier, but Lennon hooks up with Yoko for awhile and poof, he's gone? And how does karma explain all the kids dead from bombs or cancer or abuse? What did they do that was so bad as to incur karma's wrath at such a young age?

If karma exists it spends a lot of time slacking and not paying attention. Both Cheney and G. Gordon Liddy are still alive. If karma isn't doing anything about those fuckers I think I'm safe for my thoughts on Rush. ;)

This message brought to you by Professor Positive! :rofl:

[Doctor_J]

91. If Karma were real, Limpballs would have contracted bone cancer

with severe allergic reaction to pain meds.

Same thing with the rest of hate radio and cable "news"

[GoneOffShore]

84. Think of it as evolution in action.

Luckily it hasn't spawned so the Limbaugh line of reptiles will die out.

I have no wish for it to continue spreading its hatred.

And by the way, thanks for expressing your concern.

[tabasco]

85. Yes, if it's an evil person.

I wish death on Osama Bin Laden and many other evil fuckers.

Did somebody tell you "progressives" sit around campfires singing kumbaya all the time?

[LWolf]

86. NO. nt

[donheld]

87. When it comes to Rush, I say, cry me a river!

:nopity:

[Warren Stupidity]

88. Hitler

[cbdo2007]

90. I don't want Rush dead....but it is good to point out how good the world would be without him.