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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 01:37 AM
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Nigeria doctor 'impregnated girls and sold the babies'
Police in Nigeria have arrested a doctor suspected of impregnating girls and selling their babies.

The police said they found five pregnant girls aged between 12 and 17 at the doctor's clinic in the south-eastern town of Enugu.

The police said the man had confessed to getting the girls pregnant and selling their children. He is to face charges in court.

Trafficking is common in Nigeria, with children sold for labour and sex work.

In 2008, police raided a private hospital in Enugu which they said was a "baby farm".

Seven pregnant young women were found.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8436658.stm
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 01:39 AM
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1. What a frigging nightmare. I hope he rots in hell. nt
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 01:44 AM
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2. After undergoing a certain amputation...without anesthetic.
n/t.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 01:46 AM
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3. OMG, YUCK!
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 02:02 AM
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4. Anti-Abortion Laws in Romania produced similar situations under
that recent tyranical rule Cesescue(sp:). Only the Government
sold the babies.


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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 02:46 AM
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5. Charles--your up-side-down head disorients me.
It's a nice enough-picture, just, disorienting.

As for the story--it is amazing to me how in this day and age people still see their fellow human beings as commodities and not people equal in rights and dignity. Evangelical preachers come to Africa talking about how condoms are evil--if they gave a shit about human life they would talk about how everyone is a person and has a dignity that isn't bought or sold--and maybe, they'd realize there are more complicated things than sex--yes or no? There is just humanity--yes or no? Possession--or self-possessed? Self-reliant--or something else--and in need of work....

Sometimes I wonder how dare any western christ-packers, whether Warren's bunch or the Pope's, try and interfere with people who have abundant reasons enough to scramble without sex hang-ups, or blaming child-witches for their not having the "more abundant" life. They can't make that paranoia better with a message of exclusion and hate--

And these folks can do bad all by themselves. This is horribly bad--I hope those girls and those babies find the better lives that they deserve.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 04:02 AM
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7. You picked this thread
to pack some Christian hating into? Up yours.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 04:20 AM
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8. Between....
Holding back science, science education, reproductive rights, promoting mass murder, slaughter of native populations, name some good it's doing us or to be more general, the goal of religions in general.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 03:11 AM
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15. You are lumping folks into one bunch
according to the loudest of the self-proclaimed believers. I don't believe in any of those things you named nor do I see Christ as ever having preached to anyone to do such things. I was on the side of the Pandorans in Avatar.

You generalize broadly and with your own judgements in mind. I think you should remove the plank from your eye before your complain of the speck in your brother's eye.
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 09:58 AM
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13. You are utterly right.
My axe to grind with Christianity and religion in general was out of line regarding a story that in no way has any mention of religion. I have been following many stories regarding the continent this year where religion and superstition have been involved, much to the detriment of African people--and many of them are truly horrifying--but you are completely correct in that its injection and my tone weren't appropriate here. Your criticism is deserved, and I was inapt.

My more egregious error, however, and the one I'm currently kicking my own tail over, was of rank generalization regarding this situation to an entire continent of people--that's actually extraordinarily ignorant of me, and for that, even though not mentioned, I really am genuinely sorry for that.

My inelegant point had to do with with two over-arcing themes that I've seen in these stories: patriarchy and disregard for human life. Note how the story reads:

"The police said the man had confessed to getting the girls pregnant and selling their children."

The children would doubtless be those of their mothers--but the point is that if he is impregnating the girls--they are his own children, as well! But he is not only using the women as things for this enterprise, but selling his progeny as if they were things....and in some respects, may feel it is his right to do so as the man of the household. And the way more depressing thing is--there was a market for these children. There's a market for human beings in general. People are bought and sold--he's not some aberration, trying to sell human beings with no market. He's responding to a demand.

When issues like the AIDS epidemic, the treatment of women, human trafficking, poverty, and the like are treated by people coming from outside the culture, I see a huge part of the problem is in treating the symptoms that arise from the perceived cheapness of life without striking at the heart of them. In the case of religion, which I view as having paternalistic, patriarchal, and dogmatic aspects, I in general feel like they are doing the equivalent of treating a vomiting patient with ipecac. The single most valuable thing that could be expressed by any creed would be the message of individual worth and dignity, and that actually is at times a message within Christianity--

But what I'm saying is that that alone is message enough. Not submission to God, not exclusion of some people because of sin, not the thoroughly unhelpful business about women being subservient to spouses, not the message that there will be financial rewards for faithfulness to God, not any of the things that tend to reinforce an already detrimental and endemic attitude about male privilege and the ownership of or lack of worth in the lives of persons.

I am also incredibly wrong in singling out Christianity as if it were the worst offender--Islam strikes me as far more patriarchal, and sharia law punishments strike me as intolerably dismissive of and wasteful of human life. Also, folk superstition, which fuels a lot of the "witch craze" nonsense, is also a huge unhelpful mess. But insofar as a number of those who come to "deliver" people from their misery from the west are carrying the cross with them, and because the visit of the Pope and stories about The Family and Rick Warren's church were so very 2009 and unhelpful, I think my point got bogged down in them--my hang-up, entirely.

And since I'm guilty in this post of even still generalizing, paternalistically talking about "what those people really need is..." and expanding on my wrongness to hopefully be better understood, I guess I'm still an ass. I just don't want to be thought a completely poor-intentioned ass.



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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 03:19 AM
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16. You are most forgiven and I do understand
what you are saying. I follow a God of love, Jesus Christ and he was nothing like these extremist haters saying they act in his name. He told us to above all love our Father and each other.

Re: Rick Warren...my sis belongs to Saddleback and says he highly regrets sticking his neck out! He is believe it or not despite some things, not such a bad guy.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 03:59 AM
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6. Castrate him. nt
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jonathan_seer Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 04:57 AM
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9. and this sort of stuff is not out of the norm
it makes me wonder why we worry so much about Africa. The suffering is so self-inflicted via oppressive paternalistic cultural norms that value a woman in terms of cows Etc in many parts of the continent.

Education is the only way, a concerted decades long effort, but that's likely to never happen.

Wholesale societal ignorance means the nations there are easy to exploit.

And for those who think the colonial era is yet another example of the cruel racist behavior of the West hisorically speaking, should be ready to heave once PR China gets rolling in top gear there. They don't care, won't care and will exploit this to a degree the West never did.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 05:17 AM
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11. Oh I agree....
But you can't expect those changes to happen immediately. It could well take two to three generations. I take the long term approach.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 08:17 AM
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12. Don't you believe in the inherent worth of the individual?
We "worry so much about Africa" because the people dying of starvation or thirst or being subjected to such horrid treatment aren't 'wholesale society' worthy of blame, they are individual people who didn't create the oppressive paternalistic cultural norms that they are living under.
The individual has worth all unto itself, in any value system that I personally would want to keep.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 05:04 AM
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10. Trafficking, AKA slavery.
Common in Nigeria.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 10:12 AM
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14. I thought all views of morality were equal and personal choices - not for us to judge
:sarcasm:
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