tim tebow

[seeinfweggos]

so am i the only person who finds tim tebow's eye-black proselytizing to be annoying as hell?

[lapfog_1]

1. tim tebow - douche. - n/t

[rd_kent]

2. No, you are not the only one.

[timeforpeace]

3. He's young, doesn't realize how it turns people off. But lots of young adults are like that.

[Don Caballero]

4. Total tool

Cannot stand that kind of stuff. Leave your dopey religion at home dumb jock.

[AllentownJake]

5. No one will know who he is in 3 years

He isn't the type of player that makes it in the NFL

[seeinfweggos]

11. oh, i so hope you are right.

[michreject]

16. He will be rich

He will sign a guaranteed contract for 20 million, at least. He won't need to work.

[AllentownJake]

21. Good for him

He'll be selling insurance/investments in Florida in 10 years to alumni when he blows through that.

[LiberalFighter]

26. I wonder who in their right mind will sign him up? And pay that much knowing

he won't be around long?

[fishwax]

46. no, that kind of money goes to first-round draft picks

He might still make plenty of money in endorsements though ...

[michreject]

67. He will be a 1st rounder

Later in the round, but Heisman winners go somewhere in round one. No later than St. Louis at the 1st pick in Rd. 2.

St Louis, Cleveland, Oakland, Carolina or Seattle could take a QB in the 1st round. They need one.

[fishwax]

108. I don't think he'll go in the first round

Heisman winners don't always go in the first round, particularly when they're college QBs who don't project well as pro-style QBs. Stranger things have happened, though, so maybe he will.

[LiberalFighter]

25. Analysts after the game pretty much said that.

His style does not fit in the NFL. He winds up too much when throwing the ball which is a dead giveaway to the defense.

The only reason he was successful in college was because he ran the football more than even other QBs that ran a lot.

[AllentownJake]

38. If he can learn to catch he'll be one hell of a tight end

Other than that, he'll be doing broadcasting or financial service sales to alumni.

[pipi_k]

45. I personally like QBs who can run with the ball, but...

apparently it scares the bejeezus out of coaches, etc.

Which makes sense. Why make oneself a double target...

so yeah, his NFL career (if he's chosen) may be either very short, or even non-existent.

[AllentownJake]

48. The problem is the level of play

In college you will be playing against maybe 3 NFL caliber players a game on defense at a point they don't have the NFL experience. Once you are in the league, everyone on the field is a monster. You can't have your quarterback running consistently, the defenses are too good for that and the hits he will take will shorten the career two quickly. Look at the average career span of an NFL running back.

[pipi_k]

55. Yeah, I'm sure a lot of them get a real eye opening

when they get into the NFL!! Probably wish they had gone on to careers in Accounting or Forestry or something after graduation...


And even then, some of the top picks end up going absolutely nowhere. They do OK for a while then disappear from the radar screen, or become mediocre at best.

[AllentownJake]

56. It would be a little different if they structured college game schedules better

College teams play 6 competitive games and 6 easy games all season. If they ever do away with the BCS and move to a play-off system, things will get tougher in college real quick.

[Blue_In_AK]

35. That's exactly what my husband said this morning.

[Dappleganger]

124. Maybe, but they sure as hell know him now.

I'd wager if he was a Muslim and had passages from the Koran written on his face that the OP wouldn't have a problem with it. Some people on this board have issues with freedom of speech, obviously.

[FLDCVADem]

125. Big time n/t

[Toasterlad]

140. It Always Amazes Me How Many People Think That Anti-Christian People Are Pro-Muslim.

I think I can safely say that the things about christianity that bother non-religious people hold true equally well for islam.

Sorry, christians. We know how much you guys LOVE playing the martyr, but the fact is, we think ALL religions are equally dumb.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

146. +1

They are all idiotic, Christianity=Islam=Judaism=Buddism=Satanism=Wicca=Hindu=any other bullshit. All the same to me.

[NightWatcher]

6. look at me look at me, I'm humble

let's see how he does in the draft and in the pros

[walldude]

7. What is a Tim Tebow?

[seeinfweggos]

10. qb florida gators

paints bible verses on his face for games - and cries a lot.

[walldude]

17. Football.. thanks

no wonder I didn't get it.. hehe

[blueamy66]

8. annoying as hell

Yeah, I said it...hell

[malaise]

9. No

Thousands detest it.

[spanone]

12. i wonder the response if he had muslim writings below his eyes????

i imagine the ncaa would ban that shit on the quick

[seeinfweggos]

14. well of course they would - alla uh akbar would last about ten seconds

[spanone]

15. so much for religious freedom

[timeforpeace]

31. While both are odious, this nation bends over backwards to be tolerant of Muslim proselytizing.

[Hatalles]

87. Examples?

I think it's actually quite the opposite. If we're generalizing, I'd say "this nation" is fairly hostile and unfriendly towards Muslim proselytizing.

[Toasterlad]

136. Oh, Really? I Haven't Seen Anyone With Quran Verses On Their Eyeblack.

Not that I want to.

[pipi_k]

52. Religious freedom...I always thought it meant

the freedom to worship as one chooses...without fear of persecution...not the freedom to proselytize and be an annoying little dickhead.

:shrug:



PS...and what's ironic is that some of these religious whackos who are so in-yer-face with their religion have the same complaint about gays. They don't want "gayness" advertised...they don't want it "shoved in their faces". But they do the same with their stinking religion. Even to the point where they want the rest of us to stop and pray with them at sporting or other events.


Hypocritical asses.

[DUlover2909]

90. Go to a game where they pray and start yelling, "I'm not praying."

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

94. Sorry but you are dead ass wrong about that.

The freedom to worship includes the freedom to proselytize. You certainly have the freedom to be annoyed and jealous.

[Dappleganger]

127. And the freedom to ignore them...

something reasonable, intelligent people who support the Constitution for ALL people should do more often.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

139. You nailed it (pun intended)

I am sooo jealous of people that believe in an invisible sky god that watches everything I do.

[Toasterlad]

142. Sky Cake!

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

93. In your little fantasy world maybe.

[rd_kent]

18. +1

[Obamanaut]

61. But here we would read multiple responses saying that he has the right

to express himself, and that we must show tolerance and understanding.

He's not hurting a soul. It's the same with the war on christmas from last year and every winter. People with their panties in a wad because someone smiled and said "merry christmas" at them.

[comrade snarky]

68. No, he has the right to express himself

And I have the right to call him an idiot and self aggrandizer for the way he proselytizes at any opportunity even though it should be obvious to the slowest among his fans that painting his face with a bible verse does nothing for anyone but himself. Remember the thing that Jesus fella said about those who pray loudly on street corners, and how they already have their rewards. Yeah, he could have been talking about laughing boy up there with the numbers on his face.

That's how that whole free speech thing works. The only difference is he has a bigger audience because for some reason people are interested in a guy who can throw a ball.

Also, I have yet to see someone get upset at being told to have a "Merry Christmas" in my life, not once, ever. However I have seen people (right wing nut-balls and Bill O suckers mostly) flip out when told "Happy holidays" because the biggest holiday of the year is somehow under attack even though you cant walk 10 feet without seeing Christmas decorations and the whole country shuts down so they can celebrate however they want. The "War on Christmas" seems to have the vast majority of it's shots being fired from the direction of the so called victims.

Funny that. Almost like the whole thing is made up.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

13. He is a religious zealot

and should be treated as such. That he is allowed, nay encouraged, to promote his whacked out dogma, speaks volumes about the propagandizing of the media.

[WilliamPitt]

39. "That he is allowed, nay encouraged, to promote his whacked out dogma..."

Wow. Not much of a First Amendment fan, are you? He is allowed, and encouraged, to promote whatever the fuck he chooses to. I think that was the whole point of this whole America thing. Maybe I read the wrong Constitution or something.

:eyes:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

51. Whether it be advertising for God, or advertising for any other entity

it should remain OFF the field. Why does Tim get special privileges? :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[WilliamPitt]

54. Is there a rule against it?

If not, there is no "special privilege." He's like the ubiquitous "John 3:16" guy, and I have no problem with either.

[Dr.Phool]

60. If a Santeria practioner scored a touchdown,

Would he be afforded his religious freedom to sacrifice a chicken in the end zone?

[WilliamPitt]

You equate a tiny message in eyeblack with sacrificing a chicken in the end zone?

[Dr.Phool]

91. At least you can eat the chicken!

It's all protected freedom of speech. Just like corporate campaign contributions.

[Generic Brad]

103. You could eat eye black too

But it's not nearly as satisfying and tasty as chicken.

[Telly Savalas]

109. I believe Chad Ochocinco got fined $25K when he did that a few weeks ago.

[FLDCVADem]

111. For wearing eyeblack with a message? n/t

[Telly Savalas]

114. No. Sacrificing a chicken in the end zone.

[Toasterlad]

143. That Was DeShawn Jackson

Ochocinco sacrificed a goat.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

95. Other athletes write things on their eye patches. Get over it.

[Fumesucker]

57. The first amendment only applies to government actions..

And I know that you know that.

And as someone pointed out upthread, if Tebow were to have verses from the Koran on his eye shadow he'd be jerked out of the game so fast and so hard he would emit the Higgs boson.

[WilliamPitt]

63. You don't know that

[Fumesucker]

64. You're right..

He'd never even make it into the game with Koranic scriptures under his eyes..

[LiberalFighter]

134. Too bad they can't superimpose it on his eye black

like they superimpose the graphics on the field.

[Ikonoklast]

66. Just for the mention of the Higgs Boson in a thread about religion

and football, I need to kick this thread.

I love this place; it is by far and away my favorite asylum.

[kelly1mm]

80. Since he plays for the Florida Gators (public university) that is the government. nt

[Fumesucker]

83. The athletic department is usually separate from the university itself..

Are you sure that the athletic department at FSU is supported by public money?

I don't know all that much about football but it's my impression that college football is usually a revenue generator for the schools involved.

[kelly1mm]

84. In a way you are correct in that college football and men's B-ball

are usually money makers for the university and subsidize other sports. However, all the coaches, staff, trainers etc. as far as I know are university employees. Ironically, if the students were paid university employees then Tebow would not be allowed to have the face verses as it could be construed as endorsement of religion by a state employee 'on the clock'.

[Fumesucker]

86. I live in the rural Bible Belt, I've seen plenty of public school employees

"Endorse religion" on the clock.. Including the football coaches and the band director.

I damn near bit my tongue off because I didn't want my child shunned at school because her father made a fuss. It is automatically assumed down here that you are a "Christian" and anyone who bucks the assumption gets hassled a lot.

[tosh]

116. Ahem... Fumesucker....

Florida Gators are NOT FSU. Univ. of Florida = Gators, Florida State University = Seminoles.

Gotta keep that straight.

[dems_rightnow]

101. So people that go to public universities.......

Should be allowed to publicly demonstrate their faiths?

Not sure the Constitution will back you on this one.

[FLDCVADem]

120. Of course they should

Where do people come up with the idea that government can force people to keep religious beliefs to themselves?

[FLDCVADem]

106. So what?

Him wearing the verses is not the university (government) endorsing it.

The things people get annoyed by...

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

96. Any proof of that. Can you point to a NCAA rule?

[Scurrilous]

19. You'll love this:

http://www.tebowseyeblack.com/

[itsrobert]

20. Doesn't the NCAA have uniform and dress rules?

I bet if it was make up for other than for Jesus, it would be ban immediately.

[Captain Hilts]

23. They have that 'no sign' policy for fans. They should do the same for players. nt

[ashling]

22. Haven't been here long, have you?

BTW, welcome.

Actually, many , if not most, of us are annoyed - even outraged. Annoyed by him, outraged that as a football playing representative of Fla State Universty he is allowed to prosletize like this.

He might as well wear a signboard that says "repent, the end is near..." That would be unconstitutional. If he wants to "give the glory to god" after the game and the team has left the field like all these other doofuses, there is not really any stoping him, but to allow him to put that on knowing full well that millions of people are going to see close ups and hear stories about him cricumscizing babies and raising the dead, the State of Florida is spending public money to establish religion.

[Kalyke]

43. He plays for Florida, not Florida State. eom

[ashling]

88. Thank you

n/t

[seeinfweggos]

71. cricumscizing babies and raising the dead? huh?

[kelly1mm]

82. He goes to the University of Florida. Florida State University is

a seperate university. He is a student and not a paid representative of the college.

[ashling]

89. But the State of Florida

pays for the football program at that university - and their employees (coaches) decide who gets to play and how they are attired . . . he represents the university.

[Obamanaut]

98. The football program pays for itself, and generates a lot of revenue

for the school.

It is quite likely that some of the funds generated by the football program go toward financing the Title IX programs as well.

[Fla Dem]

24. Pretty sure it won't be allowed in the NFL. But yeah, it does annoy me.

I believe his parent have been missionaries and I'm sure he was indoctrinated with religious zealousness. But the whole eye-black message of the week thing goes too far. All for someone embracing their faith, but this seems to be more of an attention getter than anything else. I mean does he go around on non-game days with a message across his forehead? No, of course he doesn't.

[cherokeeprogressive]

27. Well you're obviously not the only one, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I'm not motivated to white hot rage and screams of blurring the line between church and state just because of something one person has on his face.

I bet seeing a young adult in a store with a hundred piercings in his/her face/ears doesn't faze you.

[Dappleganger]

28. Why do you care so much?

Why can't people just ignore what others write on their bodies or faces, it doesn't hurt anyone. If you think it looks stupid then no biggie, but he's a great football player who stays out of trouble. He is not proselytizing unless you have a weak mind and don't put on your tin cap every morning to keep out the Jesus laser beams, LOL.

[seeinfweggos]

74. what makes you think i care "so much"

i think the guy is a sanctimonious prick. that's all.

[Dappleganger]

123. Then don't watch him.

Nobody is forcing you.

[mmonk]

29. Nope. Count me in as well.

[RedRubberBall]

30. I would be happy if my Daughter married a man like Tim n/t

n/t

[spanone]

32. really? you don't know anything about the man. you know the football player & the public figure.

i would caution my daughter.....fame can fuck up a man.

[RedRubberBall]

33. And you know what I know or dont know how?

N/T

[spanone]

36. i'm psychic

[RedRubberBall]

40. LOL

Maybe my Brother's son is on the UF football team. Then again... :)

[spanone]

41. congrats! great win.

guess i'm not that psychic

[itsrobert]

65. He might go all Ted Haggard

I'm thinking he's trying hard to fight his urges.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

73. Tim Tebow's going to wind up a drunk.

[seeinfweggos]

81. it might be an improvement

[blueamy66]

122. really?

What do you know about TT?

[Blue_In_AK]

34. No, you're not.

I really have a deep aversion to him. I don't know if it's the proselytizing or just on general principles, but he really bugs me more than any other college football player.

[WilliamPitt]

37. The First Amendment can be annoying

But I suppose that was the point.

;)

[tabasco]

49. What does the First Amendment have to do with this? n/t

[WilliamPitt]

53. Right to free expression of ideas and the practice of religion.

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

[comrade snarky]

75. No one on this thread has said he shouldn't be allowed

To proselytize with his face any way he pleases. He gets to paint his noggin but we get to call him a prat for doing it. Freedom of expression all around.

His next employer may tell him to stop since he'll be representing them on the field but that's a whole other ball game.


(sorry, couldn't resist)

[tabasco]

76. Free from governmental intrusion.

Where is the government involved?

[Brother Buzz]

59. "...such behavior demonstrates the strength of First Amendment guarantees..."

You know what I mean, Barney?

[seeinfweggos]

72. i don't think there should be a law against it - i said it is annoying

[Kalyke]

42. He's a jerk.

If I wanted to be preahed to, I'd go to church or read my Bible. If I want to watch football... well, I wouldn't want to watch my arch-rivals play a nothig team from a nothing conference, so I'd watch some real football.

[Initech]

44. Oh man please don't get me started on Tebow.

[theHandpuppet]

50. You know what I like best about watching his last game?

It was his last game!

[DevonRex]

47. It's annoying but there's one little bright spot. He cited Eph 2:8-10

and not just Eph 2:8-9. Why is that a bright spot? Because 8-9 refer only to the fact that salvation is a gift and not of works.

Those are the verses most often cited by fundies. They conveniently leave out verse 10 which goes on to say that good works are EXPECTED to be done by Christians.

We've all seen so-called Christians who wouldn't do anything good for anybody if their lives depended on it. Certainly we've all seen some who don't want to pay any taxes for programs that benefit the poor or the sick, right?

So, even though I find it annoying on one level, I did find a glimmer of hope on another.

[discocrisco01]

58. It Does not matter

Who cares? It is private expression of faith. He has the right to do it.

Same thing for the atheists. But our society is scare of the atheist.

In reality, there is nothing to fear about atheism. Atheism is just another belief system that just says that a supernatural being is a figment of our imagination. And I have no issues with Christianity or atheism.

Only it gets too warped with state power does it create havoc. Atheism had Stalin and Mao. Christianity had the Inquistion. Nobody is innocent

Secular government protects everybody's freedom of religion. When one side either atheists or Christian wants to restrict the freedom of expression, that is religious tyranny.

[Fumesucker]

77. Atheism is a "belief system" to the same extent that not collecting stamps is a hobby.. n/t

[spoony]

110. Yeah but since when do non-stamp collectors

form organisations dedicated to their non-hobby? Put up billboards? Obsess online about stamp collecting? The old cliche doesn't work anymore.

[Dr.Phool]

62. I recall a few years back, Mark Brunell of the Jacksonville Jagoffs.

When the expansion Jags earned a wild card slot in the NFL playoffs, Brunell was telling every reporter that was listening, that God had told him they were going to win the Super Bowl that year.

Unfortunately, he was just listening to voices in his head, or God had a bet on the other team. They lost in the first round.

[RagAss]

126. I remember that. Wacked by the Patriots in 96 ! I loved that day !

[woofless]

69. What kills me is white letters on eye-black totally defeats

the purpose. Might better paint black letters on his cheek. I find all outward signs of religious preference offensive, but defend anyone's right to be as stupid as they want. Go Gators.

[CBR]

70. It doesn't bother me at all. nt

[PopSixSquish]

78. Doesn't Particularly Bother Me But He Would Do Well to Read Matthew Chapter 6, Verses 1-6

"Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.

So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.

But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing

so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.

But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

[Kurska]

79. I remmeber when Dwight Howard came into the NBA the same way.

He has seriously cut down on the religious mumbo jumbo since then, I think he realized how many people it was turning off.

[rucky]

85. Just as annoying as what he did to the Bearcats.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

92. Get over yourself.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

107. LOL, tell me about it.... +1

He's some kid playing college football. Who cares? :shrug:
Could be worse... he could be on the streets dealing drugs or in some locker-room pulling guns on his teammates.
Eloquent guy, IMO. Much better off than 90% of most other athletes in the sports scene.

What strikes me as odd is the number of people from which he seems to draw a reaction.
If you ask me, it's just a bunch of hyper-sensitive people intimidated by Tebow's faith and/or religion.
That's the real funny part. :rofl:

[niyad]

97. WHO is this tebow person?

[taterguy]

99. Someone who was sent by Jesus to score touchdowns for the Florida Gators

Because the folks in Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee don't pray hard enough

[niyad]

102. all of this noise for a football player? no wonder I never heard of him.

[classysassy]

100. Respect his rights to do

what he wants to,as long as he's not breaking the rules of the game.A very humble young man,you don't see him pounding his chest,jumping into the stands,showboating like some of the lesser talented players.

[The Straight Story]

104. No worse than the proselytizing one gets here :) (nt)

[FLDCVADem]

105. You're not the only one

But personally, I couldn't care less.

I'm blessed with the ability to not be horribly offended by every word or action taken by someone with whom I might disagree. Makes for a much happier life and the ability to save my outrage for things that really matter.

[spoony]

112. I'm as amazed by the knee-jerk nastiness toward him as I am

the ridiculous fawning of the media. Maybe some of the former is caused by the latter, but it's still way out of proportion to the person.

[Telly Savalas]

113. Tebow worshipping Jesus is considerably less annoying than ESPN worshipping Tebow.

Now that is some fucking annoying shit.

[seeinfweggos]

117. touché

[tosh]

118. Indeed.

[bevoette]

121. nail...hammer (nm)

[Toasterlad]

137. LOL. Absolutely Agree.

[CBR]

144. +1000 nt

[ThoughtCriminal]

115. Whichever NFL team drafts him and signs a deal

should get "Rapture Insurance". It would suck to pay out $20 million and then end up with an empty uniform.

[bevoette]

119. i was more annoyed by his crying...there's NO CRYING in FOOTBALL! (nm)

[Toasterlad]

145. Are You Kidding? That Was Awesome!

I play that YouTube video whenever I'm feeling blue. It always cheers me up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6cxhY4QySQ&NR=1

[Iggo]

128. Yep, just you.

;-)

[SteveM]

129. The sports talking heads are right: there's a lot of people who hate Tebow...

"Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down... we all know that crap is king, give us dirty laundry."

[1]

130. why do you even care? dude wears a nike swoosh too. that should piss you off more...

[apocalypsehow]

131. Free speech and religious freedom is really annoying as hell, ain't it? n/t

[Missy Vixen]

132. K&R, baybee

Tim Tebow's tears surely cure cancer, but nobody's ever seen him cry.

Ooops. :woohoo:

[Thothmes]

133. who?

[Toasterlad]

135. I Find It Annoying, But He's Free To Write Whatever Bull Shit He Wants Under His Eyes.

He won't be able to get away with that shit during his brief career in the NFL.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

138. I find everything Tim Tebow does annoying as hell

but this makes the top of the list.

[donheld]

141. Who?