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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 07:48 PM
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"people, for the most part, aren't born depressed" I can't say enough what that means
Acute Stress Leaves Epigenetic Marks on the Hippocampus

ScienceDaily (Jan. 4, 2010) — In trying to explain psychiatric disorders, genes simply cannot tell the whole story. The real answers are in the interaction of genes and the environment. Post-traumatic stress disorder requires some trauma, for instance, and people, for the most part, aren't born depressed. Now research has revealed one mechanism by which a stressful experience changes the way that genes are expressed in the rat brain. The discovery of "epigenetic" regulation of genes in the brain is helping change the way scientists think about psychiatric disorders and could open new avenues to treatment.

Richard Hunter, a postdoc in Rockefeller University's Harold and Margaret Milliken Hatch Laboratory of Neuroendocrinology, found that a single 30-minute episode of acute stress causes a rapid chemical change in DNA packaging proteins called histones in the rat hippocampus, which is a brain region known to be especially susceptible to the effects of stress in both rodents and humans.

The chemical change Hunter examined, called methylation, can either increase or decrease the expression of genes that are packaged by the histones, depending on the location of the methylation. He looked for methylation on three regions of histone H3 that have been shown to actively regulate gene expression. In experiments published this month in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, he shows that methylation of one mark, H3K9 trimethyl, roughly doubled in the hippocampus. Methylation of a second mark, H3K27 trimethyl, dropped by about 50 percent in the same area. Changes associated with the third mark were minor.

"The hippocampus is involved in episodic memory, so you would expect it to be sensitive to episodic experiments like this, more so than the motor regions, for instance," says Hunter, who worked on the project with Rockefeller scientists Bruce S. McEwen and Donald W. Pfaff. "But what is surprising is the magnitude and regional specificity of these patterns." The sheer size of the change in histone methylation suggests that it is important to the brain's response to acute stress, although its exact role remains a mystery. The two methyl marks that changed are both thought to repress gene expression usually, but methylation increased in one and decreased in the other.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091231153341.htm

I was not born depressed. I was not born as a computer geek who cannot find a job. My environment has had a lot to do with who and where I am - and there are some things in that I cannot change nor do I have control over. Those things I can control are on my shoulders and are my own fault, but I do not exist (nor do you) in a vacuum.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 07:56 PM
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1. "people, for the most part, aren't born depressed"
That conclusion by the "science writer" is completely unfounded based on the research in the article
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scarletlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 08:08 PM
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2. C-Span Sunday
Listened to a guy on C-Span Journal talking about mental health issues. US has highest rates of any country of proportion of people mentally ill. (May not be exactly correct but definitely one of the highest) Anyway he gave an interesting factoid: Mexicans generally have a low level of mental illness. Those who immigrate to US start out on same level as their former compatriots in Mexico. However, after a few years here they suffer mental illness at the same high rate as those already in the US. The guy said that we really need to look at what is going on in this country to cause this. Personally I think I know some of the factors: High poverty, no safety net, stress, stress, stress: can I keep my job, can I pay my bills, can I afford to go to the doctor and on and on and on.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 08:26 PM
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3. You don't think those same stressors exist in Mexico?
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 08:32 PM
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4. I suppose I could be happy as a pig in shit that I now find myself
disabled, and sick while having been screwed by damn near every asshole I worked for..I ll keep at that, since I could write a book..Forrest Gump meets T.S.Garp.
I have been through so much shit, being gay, having hiv, I ll leave off here because the whole story would be too depressing.

If hard times makes you stronger I should be frigging hercules.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 08:35 PM
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5. You nailed it when you said "Garp Meets Gump" - brilliant
well played, and can't help feeling the same myself at times.

I do hope though you will write out the whole story sometime, and I will promise to do the same.

And when it comes to being screwed by employers - been there more than a few times.
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 08:36 PM
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6. PBS has a short series the next three nights-This Emotional Life
Tonight the show is about relationships, tomorrow "negative emotions" and Wednesday "Rethinking Happiness."
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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 08:41 PM
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7. And I was held at knife point
by a guy high on meth. After I was got away from him he stalked our family for weeks. It was his intention to kill us. He did manage to kill our dog before the law caught up with him. I am left with PTSD.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 09:00 PM
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8. I'm pretty sure that introversion/extroversion are at least partly and probably mainly genetic..
And I'd be willing to bet that introverts are more likely to suffer stress in American culture than are extroverts.

I'd also be willing to bet that introverts suffer depression more than extroverts..



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