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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 09:13 AM
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Why doesn't Saudi Arabia police the middle east?
Why do we police the middle east, why not Saudi Arabia? They have immense wealth and a monster of a military. All the problems of the region are more their problems than ours.

More important why are the questions above never asked by our highest officials?

Yemen is the problem of the moment, look at Yemen's border. Who is its neighbor?
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 09:15 AM
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1. Saudis pay infidel foreigners to do all their dirty (and dangerous) work -n/t
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 09:16 AM by LeftinOH
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 09:18 AM
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2. Saudis have a rivalry with Iran, the notable regional "power"
Now that Iraq has been "taken care of".
Saudis must think of Israel as a power rival, also.
Good question, Thom!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 09:23 AM
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3. Because it cannot finance and fund terrorists that hijack airplanes
and blow things up and be a policeman at the same time.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 09:24 AM
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4. I'm just grateful they don't police the west. n/t
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 09:26 AM
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5. Isn't the status quo working out pretty much to their best advantage?
Why would they want to change anything about that?

Tesha
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 09:35 AM
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6. They're paying 'protection' to radical Islamic groups as it is
If the House of Saud suddenly acted like they gave a fuck about anyone else, they'd find themselves shelling out an even bigger ransom to protect their precious hides.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 09:55 AM
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7. Why would Saudi Arabia piss away all their wealth and fortunes policing the ME when........
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 09:56 AM by Double T
the dummies in the USA will do it for them. We have a hungry military industrial complex to feed.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:00 AM
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8. It does.
The US is their hired Blackwater.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:01 AM
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9. It's easier to have us do their work for them
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:09 AM
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10. More Sand Than People...
The Saudis have always played both ends against the middle in dealing with geopolitics. The core, of course, is oil...the source of the House of Saud's power combined with funneling money and influence to many religious groups to keep the populace under control as well as the clergy. It allows the Sauds to enrich themselves while keeping others at bay.

We saw in Gulf Oil War I that when directly threatened, Saudi Arabia had nothing...they were so wide open to Hussein's army that Poppy booosh sent in troops ASAP and this action was one of the major bitches of bin Laden. All the money and guns don't do you any good when you don't have the manpower to properly utilize them. They import "guest workers" to work the oil fields and do the "dirty jobs". Native Saudis have grown up in an affluent society where they'd rather make money than fight wars...let others deal with it.

In many ways, the political stalemates serve the Saudi's interest. The House of Saud's biggest threats are from the Shia (Iran) as well as in keeping their own religious radicals under wraps. This is condusive to many of the region's conflicts where the religious tensions are flaming conflicts and the Saudis can continue their games to preserve their own power and wealth.

Yemen isn't a new problem...just the latest blip on our media's short attention span radar. This country has been a battle ground between various groups since the 60's when the Saudis squared off against Nasser and the then "Arab Nationalists". Its a large country that, like Afghanistan and Somalia, isn't suited to the concept of nation-state, but is tribal by nature. In essence if the "terrorists" inside Yemen are threatening the "west" and the U.S., that means its not a threat to the Saudis. Their games continue as long as the oil flows.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:28 AM
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11. America doesn't "police" the ME for their benefit. America CONTROLS the ME for its corporations.
There is no charity work done here. America props up Arab dictators who torture and rob their own citizens and in return these dictators spend billions overpaying for crippled American weapons that they are not allowed to use without American permission.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:33 AM
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12. The fact that in our "democracy" no politician even asks this question is your answer
It's not up to us--this is how Enron, et al want it.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:44 AM
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13. 'Cause then Halliburton wouldn't get anything.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:53 AM
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14. Thats hilarious. Ever hear of the Vinnell Corporation?
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 11:37 AM by NNN0LHI
The Vinnell Corporation, an American mercenary company is the only thing keeping the Saudi ruling family in power.

Without them the Saudi ruling family would have been replaced decades ago by the Saudi people. Any Saudi not included part of the ruling family is automatically considered an Al-Qaeda sympathizer. Can't give them guns. Thats why they need the American mercenaries.

Ever notice most of the Saudi fighter pilots are all family members too. That isn't because they tend to be the best suited pilots. Its because they are the only Saudis who can be trusted enough with that kind of weaponry.

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http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/episodes/the-saudi-question/whos-who-the-house-of-saud/prince-bandar-bin-sultan-bin-abdul-aziz-al-saud/2877/

Who's Who: The House of Saud: Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdul Aziz Al-Saud

Prince Bandar is the child of Prince Sultan and one of his servants, but under Sharia, the Islamic law that governs Saudi Arabia, all sons are considered born equal and are to be afforded similar status. Though Bandar spent his early years living apart from his father, when he was eleven he and his mother were both invited to live with the royal family. At the time, the young prince was not considered one of the most promising Saud sons, but his grandmother saw that the boy was sharp and determined to create his own opportunities. Later, as a young man, he also won the attention of his uncle, King Fahd.

After pursuing a career as a fighter pilot, Prince Bandar turned to public policy, studying at Johns Hopkins University. In 1983, King Fahd appointed him ambassador to the United States. Bandar soon became known on Capitol Hill for his flashy style, and more importantly, his smooth political dealings as a Washington insider. In early 2001, Prince Bandar helped broker President Clinton’s failed eleventh hour plan for peace in the Middle East. Today, Bandar is known to have close personal and political ties with President Bush, and he purportedly enjoys easy access to the Oval Office. However, the ambassador’s intimate relations with the current administration have proven controversial on more than one occasion: In April, 2004 it was reported that Bandar assured President Bush that he would work to keep oil prices low leading up to the presidential election in November.


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http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0513-06.htm

Mercenaries Inc.: How a U.S. Company Props Up the House of Saud

Published in the April, 1996 issue of The Progressive

by William D. Hartung

We were shocked and saddened to hear about the attacks in Saudi Arabia and the deaths of at least 91 people there, including ten Americans.

But the fact that one of the targets was a U.S. private military corporation called Vinnell raises serious questions about the role of "executive mercenaries," and corporations who profit from war and instability. This is the second time in eight years that Vinnell's operations in Saudi Arabia have been the target of a terrorist attack. In 1995 a car bomb blasted through an Army training program Vinnell was involved with. The following year, Bill Hartung, a Senior Fellow at the World Policy Institute wrote this article for the Progressive magazine.

The sanitized version of American foreign policy asserts that the United States is hard at work promoting democratic values around the world in the face of attacks from totalitarian ideologies ranging from communism during the Cold War to Islamic fundamentalism today. Every once in a while an incident occurs that contradicts this reassuring rhetoric by revealing the secret underside of American policy, which is far more concerned with propping up pliable regimes that serve the interests of U.S. multinational corporations than it is with any meaningful notion of democracy. The November 13, 1995 bombing of the Saudi Arabian National Guard (SANG) headquarters and an adjacent building housing a U.S. military training mission is one such incident.

President Clinton tried to paint the bombing as just another senseless act of terrorism perpetrated by armed Islamic extremists, but the target was chosen much too carefully to support that simple explanation. The Saudi National Guard is a 55,000 man military force whose main job is to protect the Saudi monarchy from its own people, using arms from the United States and training supplied by roughly 750 retired U.S. military and intelligence personnel employed by the Vinnell Corporation of Fairfax, Virginia. A January 1996 article in Jane's Defence Weekly describes the SANG as "a kind of Praetorian Guard for the House of Saud, the royal family's defence of last resort against internal opposition." The November bombing -- which killed five Americans and wounded thirty more -- was certainly brutal, but it was far from senseless. As a retired American military officer familiar with Vinnell's operations put it,

"I don't think it was an accident that it was that office that got bombed. If you wanted to make a political statement about the Saudi regime you'd single out the National Guard, and if you wanted to make a statement about American involvement you'd pick the only American contractor involved in training the guard: Vinnell."

The story of how an obscure American company ended up becoming the Saudi monarchy's personal protection service is a case study in how the United States government has come to rely on unaccountable private companies and unrepresentative foreign governments to do its dirty work on the world stage, short-circuiting democracy at home and abroad in the process. In the wake of the Iran/contra scandal and the end of the Cold War, many observers of U.S. foreign policy have assumed that this penchant for covert policymaking has been put aside, but Vinnell's role in Saudi Arabia puts the lie to that comforting assumption.


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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:40 AM
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15. Yes, look at Yemen's border.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33755909/
Saudis still bombing us, Yemen rebels say

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/Yemen-Saudi-Arabia-Fight-Shiite-Rebels-in-Northern-Yemen-80441507.html
Yemen, Saudi Arabia Fight Shi'ite Rebels in Northern Yemen

More to the point, the Saudis only care when something affects them (viz. the House of Saud) fairly directly. 9/11? Not a problem, Islam = ROP, don't persecute us, it's not about Islam, death to the Jews (oops--never mind that last bit). Home-grown militancy in Riyadh? Whoa, Nelly! Crush, kill, destroy the heretics, even if they were last year's pious youth.
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