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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 02:47 PM
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The Democrats' Authoritarian Health "Reform" Bill: "represents an historic defeat for liberalism"


The Democrats' Authoritarian Health "Reform" Bill and the Ascendency of Corporatism in the Democratic Party
By Miles Mogulescu
The Huffington Post
December 23, 2009

(This is the first of a series of blogs/articles that will try to put the growing disappointment of many progressives at President Obama's policies into a wider political and theoretical perspective about the divide in the Democratic Party between progressives and corporatists.)

If Barack Obama and today's Congressional Democrats were passing Social Security for the first time, instead of a creating a public program, they would likely be mandating that every American buy an annuity from a private, profit-driven Wall Street firm like Goldman Sachs (who could keep 15%-20% of their payments for overhead, profits and executive salaries) with the IRS serving as Wall Street's collection agency. If they were passing Medicare today, they would be mandating that every American buy a health insurance policy from profit-driven companies like Aetna, Humana and Wellpoint that would start paying benefits with 40% co-pays and $10,000 a year deductibles when they turn 65.

Therefore, when Senate "liberals" argue that their health "reform" bill, while compromised, is like the first iterations of Social Security and Medicare and provides a "starter home" that can be added to later, many progressives respond that its foundation is built on quicksand and that it's not incremental reform but a step in the fundamentally wrong direction.

Democrats and liberals once stood for providing a social safety net through government programs like Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance, which were administered by government employees for the benefit of the American people and not by private companies for the benefit of their shareholders and executives who receive multi-million dollar salaries and bonuses. For over 60 years, they stood for the principal that health care should be a right and not a privilege and that Medicare should be extended to all Americans.

Democrats in Congress, under the leadership of Barack Obama, have now turned that principal on its head and made health care neither a right, nor a privilege, but an obligation for individual citizens and a government-mandated profit center for private corporations. For the first time in American history, Democrats are about to pass a bill that uses the coercive power of the federal government to force every American -- simply by virtue of being an American -- to purchase the products of a private company. At heart, the Democrats' solution to 48 million uninsured is to force the them to buy inadequate private insurance -- with potentially high deductibles and co-pays and no price controls -- or be fined by the federal government.
In effect, this represents an historic defeat for the type of liberalism represented by the New Deal and the Great Society and the ascendancy of a new type of corporatist liberalism.

Or as David Brooks wrote in The New York Times earlier this summer, " Democrats learned never to go to war against the combined forces of corporate America. Today, whether it is on the stimulus, on health care, or any other issue, the Obama administration and the Congressional leadership go out of their way to court corporate interests, to win corporate support and to at least divide corporate opposition."

And as they have seen the end result of the Democratic Senate's health care bill, progressives have started to get angry. Stripped of the public option, progressives could now look through the Democratic health care bill to its essence: the permanent entrenchment of the corrupt private health insurance corporation as the nexus of the American health care system; the authoritarian liberal solution of solving the problem of the uninsured by using the coercive power of the federal government to force citizens to buy inadequate private insurance sold by oligopolies with their profits subsidized by taxpayer dollars; and the increased political power of the of the private health care industry into the indefinite future, fueled by government money that can then be used to lobby the government for more private benefits.

Please read the full article at:

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2010/january/the-democrats-authoritarian-health-reform-bill-and-the-ascendency-of-corporatism-i















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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 02:58 PM
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1. you've upset the unreccers, for whom forced obeisance to corporations is an honor & privilege
n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 02:59 PM
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2. "represents an historic defeat for liberalism"
Oh brother!


:rofl:

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:14 PM
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4. Can you refute the views presented in the article?

"Oh brother" just doesn't do it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:21 PM
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6. Drivel
If Barack Obama and today's Congressional Democrats were passing Social Security for the first time, instead of a creating a public program, they would likely be mandating that every American buy an annuity from a private, profit-driven Wall Street firm like Goldman Sachs (who could keep 15%-20% of their payments for overhead, profits and executive salaries) with the IRS serving as Wall Street's collection agency. If they were passing Medicare today, they would be mandating that every American buy a health insurance policy from profit-driven companies like Aetna, Humana and Wellpoint that would start paying benefits with 40% co-pays and $10,000 a year deductibles when they turn 65.

Social Security wasn't all that great when it started out. Also, remember when the Democrats joined forces with Bush to privatize SS? No?

Drivel.

:rofl:

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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:29 AM
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47. This is a typical corporate-reinforcing response from this poster
But welcome to DU!
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:33 AM
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42. So, did it start out with American citizens being forced to buy
it from a private industry under penalty of law? With the IRS collecting the protection money for Big Business? And if the yfailed to pay the IRS, were they threatened with jail?
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:37 AM
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49. "Wasn't all that great" is a far cry from a corporate fellating disaster
He is exactly right about this. If we had done it the way we did health care you would be mandated to buy an annuity from a for profit Wall Street firm. It is a perfect analogy to how we've done HCR.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:03 AM
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53. There was NOTHING in the original Social Security Act that was lost ground for working people
There was nothing comparable to the mandates. It was a straight gain.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:56 AM
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66. I'll Say It Again... It's 2010 AND NAFTA Still Hasn't Been Re-Visited!!
With Congress the way it is now, I seriously DOUBT HCR will get re-visited! Back when, and it was a long time ago, perhaps they were more accommodating! Today, NOT SO MUCH!

So, drivel right back at ya!! This bill SUCKS... and it REALLY SUCKS BADLY!!
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 07:51 PM
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31. the supporters of Obama, dear Better
ALWAYS respond today with snark. Their former excuses of "not enough time" "14 dimensional chess" "wait til conference" et al, have proven to be so much horseshit in the light of the awfulness of his presidency
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:00 AM
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41. Absolutely mostly correct. He isn't screwing up one or two things, but he's gotten
the pressing domestic stuff entirely wrong. If he doesn't change and we don't change him out, it will become our wrong.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:17 AM
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51. And every step of the way defending it and telling us just wait, it'll get fixed when this or that
happens, the President knows what he's doing. Pisses me off I believed it for so long. Even in September I thought any minute he'd show up and fight for the bill. Guess he did. Just wasn't fighting for the bill we thought he wanted.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:57 PM
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69. And even worse
The warnings of the original critics are turning out to be blitheringly accurate. I was reading in July that the public option was already history, that deals had been cut, and that the focus was upon ensuring that coporate america was not going to shift over to the GOP. In the end, that's basically what has happened. Oh, and Gitmo isn't closing either, and I'm pretty sure that's going to last longer than Jan, 2011. Truth is, all they were promising was a change of address. And no one will ever be prosecuted for torture, and we'll still be in Afghanistan in 2016.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:24 PM
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74. Man, that was good. So concise. How could he have fooled so
many people, including me? I borrowed some money against my house to get him elected. I feel so stupid.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:53 PM
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18. Your laughter does not make it less so.
This bill sucks, you know it, but you do not care. All you want is a "win" for the administration. Keep cut-n-pasting your propaganda, you are still in the minority here, and in the country.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:52 PM
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28. Keep laughing, Chessmaster. I'm still waiting on these master moves that will bring us the promised
reform.

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:28 AM
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52. it's the truth
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 02:59 PM
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3. K& invisible R
Thanks for posting!
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:19 PM
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5. K&R
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:24 PM
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7. k/r
it's a defeat for liberalism, and for America.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:28 PM
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8. K&R
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:29 PM
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9. K&R
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:29 PM
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11. The Corporate War Party knew full well
a Republican could never get away with this. They needed one of their Democrats to do it. Fortunately for them, we helped them get their guy where they needed him.

K&R :hi:
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:53 PM
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19. Yup!!
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:47 AM
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43. And by solidly voting against it, the R's have positioned themselves
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 01:49 AM by LibDemAlways
well. They can campaign on their opposition to this shitful bill and promise that they will repeal it. Then, given the opportunity after the next R President is sworn in, they'll strip out anything useful but leave the mandate in place.
The Dems have managed to screw us over big big time.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:18 AM
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54. +11111111111111111111
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:46 AM
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60. Agree -- we are given our leaders/candidates by the power elite --
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:20 PM
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73. You know, I've heard this said before, and I finally realized it's
true. Obama got elected by the corporations who it made the healtcare deal with in February, 09.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:37 PM
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12. Kick and rec!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:45 PM
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13. knr - link to the original post at Huffington ...
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:48 PM
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14. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Better Believe It.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:29 PM
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15. K&R
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:31 PM
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16. K/R. This is as bad a betrayal as NAFTA, MFN China (possibly worse). nt
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:54 PM
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20. SO true!!!
yet the apologists will soon swarm.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:57 PM
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21. K&r
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:58 PM
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22. K&R. nt
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:02 PM
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23. Election 2008 was a historic defeat ....
...for the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.

Health Care is merely one facet of that defeat.
Watch Out!
The destruction of Social Security and Medicare are NEXT on the list.
"They" call it "Entitlement Reform", and the seeds for the destruction of Medicare are already planted in this Health "Care" Bill (-$500 Billion Dollars).

It is NO secret that the DLC has been lusting after Social Security dollars for a decade.
The DLC has always wanted to give this money to their friends on Wall Street.


The DLC New Team

(Screen Capped from the DLC Website)
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:11 PM
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24. Watch Medicare and every boomer should be prepared to pay ...
more of the costs IMHO. Enrollment increases from 46 million to 79 million over the next 20 years, there is no way any Medicare savings can be used to pay for this HC reform bill with the anticipated increase in enrollees ... again IMHO.

And knowing this fact there is nothing in this bill to allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices as promised during the campaign.








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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:21 PM
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25. Nice picture of our self appointed party leaders.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:41 PM
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75. That picture represents the death of The Party
Left-wing of the Neo-cons
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shadesofgray Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:30 PM
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26. K&R
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:46 PM
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27. KR+28.

Excellent article, thanks for posting, I haven't seen it when it came out although I often read the PNHP website.
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coti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 07:37 PM
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30. A good summation. nt
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:06 PM
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32. "Obama is the President of Wall Street, and not the President of Main Street"
Can't sum it up any better than that.

K&R
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:45 AM
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59. Sadly agree . . .
and we're not going to get anywhere in seeking new ways to rid ourselves

of corporatism until we all recognize that --

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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:42 PM
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33. K&R
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:30 PM
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34. kick
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:35 PM
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35. Excellent post - thanks!
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:39 PM
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36. KNR
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:05 AM
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37. K&R...Thanks for the great post..... But now is the time to FIGHT LIKE HELL. . . . : :
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:07 AM
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38. Liberalism took a major hit during the 90's
The country is now completely taken over by corporations and gangsters.

My suggestion on where to start when we finally decide to revolt:Big Media
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:35 AM
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39. Well done, accruate and to the point -nt
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:47 AM
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40. It is a crushing blow.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:51 AM
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44. K&R..i didn't leave the Dem party..they left me!! and all liberals and progressives..
they left Dem values...

they left Dem Principles..

they left the working class..

they left the middle class..

they left the poor..

they left the hungry..

they left the sick and elderly..

they pissed on all of us!!
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:36 AM
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86. They sold us out a while back....
It has been one party with two heads for a long time.
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Amliss Vess Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:19 AM
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45. Do we know that will be in the final bill?
They can't be that stupid. I am not going to be forced to buy healthcare from the insurance company. If that happens, we should revolt. That is crap!
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:31 AM
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48. They are trying to get it passed without going to conference. So, yeah
We should all be revolting. We all should have been revolting. We all need to fight and fight hard, but it's tough when the corporations own everything, from the teevee to the politicians. But fight on we must.
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:25 AM
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46. k&r
Seems this is the best Dems can do these days, and I can just about accept that, but these crony capitalists are not fit to call themselves the heirs of FDR or LBJ.
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nvme Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:52 AM
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50. whats sickens me most
These DINOs will touting how much the work for us. It will be the centerpiece of their re-election campaigns.
On the one point a pray that if this monstrosity passes, the Repukes will have their lawsuits and win against being forced to pay a penalty for not purchasing insurance from a private industry. I HATE THIS BILL IF DOES NOT INCLUDE A PUBLIC OPTION.
gonna have to change my registration to independent party.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:49 PM
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77. It's painful
to agree with rwingers and wish them luck.

I hope those courts aren't privatized.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:16 AM
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55. K & R
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WVRICK13 Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:25 AM
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56. Nothing New Here
same old same old. Corporate America grows and takes from the working class while the working class pretends our government works for the people. I do agree you have to start someplace but giving a mandate for everyone to have insurance they buy from major corporations while we shaft those people who have decent insurance is just another tax on the working Americans. Speaking of taxes, are the rich still getting the Bush tax cuts? Is the strategy of giving cash to the wealthy so it can trickle down working? It is getting harder to tell Democrats from Republicans. While I'm asking questions, how are those wars working our for us?
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IthinkThereforeIAM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:08 AM
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57. No mention of the Sanders-Cardin Amendment...

...so this article is trash.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:43 AM
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58. This is a "loss" for our nation and our citizens . .. and for democracy ....
Anyone seeking to frame this in such narrow terms as a loss for liberals is serving

their own interests --

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shotten99 Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:10 AM
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61. Damned straight.
I don't know if people want the Republicans back or not, but this isn't the end of the world.
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DisgustedInMN Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:50 AM
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63. As far as I can see...
.. "the Republicans" haven't left. They just changed the "R" behind their name to a "D".

Now there's "change you can believe in."

:banghead:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:37 AM
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65. Actually, I was saying it is a universal loss . . . a wider loss . . .
bodes ill for solving any of the problems of the world -- global warming.

We are face to face with those who control the wealth and natural resources of

our nation. We cannot continue to burn fossil fuels. What should be happening

internationally isn't happening because of the obstruction and control over our

governments which corporations do have.

And, as many are coming to understand, we have a "corporatist" in the White House.

Give 45,000 citizens a year dying because of a lack of universal health care --

more than 2,700+ veterans in the same boat every year -- it is the "end of the world"

for many families. Many here telling us their tragic stories. Keith Olberman making

clear that this is a "terrorism" vs our citizens.

Obviously, voting for the "lesser of evils" decade after decade has only brought us

more corporate fascism.

The '63 coup on JFK was actually a coup on our "people's" government and certainly

the Democratic Party was also a target . . . it was not to be left to be used as an

effective, active instrument for investigation, true reform, holding those responsible

for the political violence in America. And that political violence continued on . . .

and this legislation which is a giveaway to the very corporations which have created our

national health care crisis is criminal!

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mochajava666 Donating Member (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:39 AM
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62. Well said - I'm also glad it's the first of a series
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 11:35 AM
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64. K&R
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:03 PM
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67. But, But, But... We're Just Some Crazy Liberals Who Rahm Said Should
be ignored!! I mean where do we get off criticizing his loyal Pom-Pom supporters??
:sarcasm:
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:37 PM
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68. This post nails it!



:hi:



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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:49 PM
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70. The article really, really does. Big time!
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:02 PM
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71. This bill is unconstitutional....
and the assholes that passed it are traitors.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:06 PM
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72. K&R
:kick:
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:44 PM
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76. K&R
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:08 PM
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78. Kick and rec!
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California Griz Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:13 PM
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79. You don't understand what this bill does
If you think the public option is dead you can't read between the lines. Nobody is looking at the entirety of the bill just picking at the pieces. I expect this type of reactionary behavior from the right I am surprised to see so much of it here. This bill has a path to a public option, it just doesn't spell it out in bold print. Read the bill and stop listening to the pundits.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:20 PM
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80. Are you hallucinating?

"If you think the public option is dead you can't read between the lines"

I have read between the lines and even between the words.

Do you know what one finds doing that?

Blank spaces.

Are you hallucinating?

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California Griz Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:33 PM
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82. I'm not explaining further
We saw what happened to the Medicare buy in. You can insult me or use your mind and figure it out. Why do you think Dean and Sanders stopped the kill this bill talk after the managers amendment. You people are being blinded by your rage. Like Pelosi said it doesn't matter what we call it.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:45 PM
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83. "Like Pelosi said it doesn't matter what we call it." OK. Call it chicken soup care!
But please don't call it universal health care that is opposed by the private insurance industry and big Pharma.

They wrote the fricken bill!

Take the blinders off.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:28 PM
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81. who will follow that "path to a public option"
after all the uninsured are shoveled into the for-profit system? This bill is designed deliberately to enshrine the for-profit health insurance model in perpetuity. That is the grand deal Obama has cut with the insurance cartels: clean up your act (a tiny bit) and we'll insure your indefinite survival. I hate to break it to you, but there is no super secret path to a public option in this bill. Just a path to more corporate profits.
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California Griz Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:54 PM
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84. Every state with a left leaning legislature will follow it
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 03:56 PM by California Griz
The red states will be left twisting in the wind and the Republicans will be left to explain to their constituents why they are paying double what the blue state folks are. The insurance companies know whats up they have already started lobby efforts at the state level. If this bill was so great for the insurance companies explain to me why the Republicans are still fighting tooth and nail against it. If it was really going to be a windfall for the insurance companies the pukes would be jumping on board. This is the best first step the Democrats could figure out.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:52 PM
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85. Watch the stock market
Don't believe your ears, follow the money.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 03:18 AM
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87. When people wake up and realize that they will be forced to buy health insurance,
and those with decent plans will be taxed, there will be hell to pay in the voting booth in many places.

The Republicans are counting on it.

The insurance companies will continue to give the R's money no matter what they do here because the insurance companies are going to want plenty from the Rs later.

It really doesn't matter to the Rs whether or not they might eventually fail to repeal HCR once they are in control in Congress. All they care about is getting back in power.

A self-proclaimed smart guy should be able to figure this stuff out.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:33 PM
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88. Excellent article! - nt
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