Ed Schultz just called for the NBA to tell players that they cannot own guns.

[onehandle]

That they are heroes to young, impressionable kids and that the players should not be setting bad examples.

Makes sense to me.

[hlthe2b]

1. And, Ed is pro-gun rights (ND), so that is interesting...

Expect a firestorm, when they see your post from the gungeon.... 10..9..8..7......:)

That said, I agree that it is not going to happen.

[FLDCVADem]

2. Dumb idea

but it's a free country, even for dumb countries.

[AndrewP]

3. Makes sense logically, but that'll never happen

[ProgressiveProfessor]

15. Actually its irrational which is why it should not happen

[AndrewP]

23. The NBA is irrational. LOL

No, it'll obviously never be able to happen.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

28. I'd go so far as to say I find pro sports irrational...but that would be unAmerican

[kayla9170]

4. Not Going to Happen...........

[cowcommander]

5. Or...they can just keep those guns out of the job

[glen123098]

6. Did Ed forget about the 2nd amendment?

Why does Ed want a company to be able to tell its workers what constitutional rights they can have?

[DainBramaged]

18. Don't forget to remind us....

oh hard gun, blue steel that I love, make me a better man when I carry thee in my pants............

:sarcasm:

[FLDCVADem]

19. Companies can already do that

Companies are under no obligation to honor the Bill of Rights - only government has that obligation.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

36. On what basis could a company prohibit you from owning a firearm?

[FLDCVADem]

57. I didn't say that a company could specifically ban you from owning a firearm

I said that a company is under no obligation to honor your Constitutional rights, and they aren't.

Surely you understand that companies can limit free speech, free association, etc?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

58. Under what basis could a company restrict your Constitutional rights when you aren't working?

Assuming of course you hadn't agreed to have your rights restricted in some way while you aren't working.

[derby378]

59. Exactly

I can't carry my guns to the workplace. That's fine. I can play nice.

Can't even store the guns in the trunk of my car in the company parking lot, even if the guns are locked and unloaded? That's something we're going to have to discuss, but we can at least discuss it.

But for a company to tell me that it is able to supercede my Constitutional rights in my own home, on my own time? Last I heard, I still have the Fourth Amendment right to be secure in my own person. It's not just about being free to marry whom you truly love. It's also about telling government agencies and corporations alike that you are who you are and that you'll be damned if you're going to let anyone break the law by breaking you.

[PVnRT]

46. They can tell you not to bring guns to the workplace

They can't tell you that you can't own them at home.

[Xenotime]

53. Don't start with the "bear arms" bullshit.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

55. Yeah.

Lousy no good constitution.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

60. Who needs that pesky Constitution anyway?

[bigwillq]

7. They should be able to own them

But they shouldn't be allowed to pull the gun on a co-worker. Arenas should be fired from his job. I am pretty sure I would be.


"The league's most recent collective bargaining agreement with the players' union, introduced in the summer of 2005, enacted stricter rules against firearms than the NBA previously enforced, allowing players to own registered weapons but strictly prohibiting gun possession on any team property (arena or practice facility) or at any team function, including promotional appearances."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4799283

[spanone]

9. had nothing to do with his rights....he was wrong. a law issue, not a gun issue.

[bigwillq]

10. Is that what Ed said?

I am not watching Ed. From the OP, it says ED said they shouldn't be able to OWN them. I have no issue with anyone owning a gun. Just don't pull it on a co-worker and expect to keep your job. He should be fired and banned from the NBA.

[bertman]

8. That's just PSYCHO TALK!!

[rd_kent]

11. They should just be treated like every other adult in this country with the same rights.

Why have special rules just for them? Responsible gun owners become criminals when they do stupid shit like these guys did and should be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law.

[CakeGrrl]

12. They shouldn't be singled out from the rest of this country, but

if they use them irresponsibly, illegally and/or dangerously, then they should be punished/sanctioned accordingly.

Ed's request is not reasonable. You can lump a lot of groups under "people who should not be setting bad examples for young, impressionable kids", and you know there are some gun owners amongst them. Where would one draw the line?

The NBA should determine a sanction, IMO.

[qazplm]

13. it sets a bad example to own a gun?

Uh no. It sets a bad example to take it to work and wave it around during an argument. It does not set a bad example to simply own a gun. I don't own a gun, never will, but it is not a bad example.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

14. Bad call on his part

[spin]

16. Do they give up their rights when they join the NBA?

Are they heroes? Not in my mind. They are extremely competent athletes who make good pay for their abilities.

Are they setting a bad example by owning guns?

I own firearms and have a concealed carry permit. Am I setting a bad example for my children and grandchildren?

My daughter is an excellent shot and has actually used a firearm to defend herself from a home intruder. I am very thankful that I took her to the range starting at nine years old. She has trained my grandchildren to also be familiar with and capable of handling firearms. Is she setting a bad example?

Now if an NBA player owns and missuses a firearm then he gets no sympathy from me. However, I'm sure that many NBA players own and handle firearms in a responsible manner.

Many NBA players are minorities. This sounds like another effort to make sure that "those people" don't own firearms.

But then gun control is founded on racism and while better disguised today is still racist at its heart.

If you doubt this statement read:

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html

http://www.guncite.com/journals/gun_control_wtr8512.html

[11 Bravo]

21. Do Olympic sprinters give up their right to ingest certain legal cough syrups? Hint ...

the correct answer begins with the letter "Y".

[spin]

25. Hint, certain legal cough syrups may improve Olympic sprinters times ...

the fact that some NBA players own firearms has NO effect on their performance.

Many of these players are wealthy and may be targets of home invasions or robbery. They deserve the same right to own a firearm for self defense that I enjoy.

[11 Bravo]

29. Good point. Mostly I'm playing devil's advocate here. I have a VA concealed carry permit, but ...

I have also been a public school teacher for 35 years (thank you GI Bill); and as a consequence of my occupation, I may not legally carry any of the weapons I own to work.
It would be interesting to see how it shakes out legally if the NBA tried to institute a ban as a condition of employment. I think the players would probably win, but as I say, interesting.

[bigwillq]

31. The NBA does

Prohibit bringing the weapon to work.


"The league's most recent collective bargaining agreement with the players' union, introduced in the summer of 2005, enacted stricter rules against firearms than the NBA previously enforced, allowing players to own registered weapons but strictly prohibiting gun possession on any team property (arena or practice facility) or at any team function, including promotional appearances."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4799283

[PVnRT]

47. You can't bring them to work, but you can still own them

That's the point here. The NBA has no right to tell its players that they can't own guns at all. They can (and should) ban them at practice and games and the like, however.

[xchrom]

17. Recommend

[Raineyb]

20. I don't even like guns but I think that's a stupid idea. n/t

[proteus_lives]

22. Not to me.

What right does he have to tell them what their rights are?

This Ed Schultz guy sounds like a authoritarian asshole.

[depakid]

24. Probably not a bad idea- since they keep on getting into trouble with them

in cars- at airports- and now locker rooms.

[TexasObserver]

26. A player brandished his guns in the team locker room over a gambling debt.

Gilbert Arenas. Washington Wizards.

[Lance_Boyle]

43. They should still be the Bullets, apparently. n/t

[704wipes]

27. I can't bring a gun into an NBA arena, but THEY can?

That is what is bullshit. To go see a Pacers game, you get wanded, wife gets a purse check, they want to see in your coat pockets. Part of why I have not been since Reggie retired, not to mention you need to withdraw from a 401K to afford a decent ticket.

[blues90]

30. Ed Schultz, what a meaningless pile of shit

I can't imagine how anyone listens to him. He is about as liberal as my old turtle. He is another liar and corporate shill who eats for a pastime.

[donheld]

34. Proof, Got any?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

37. Proof of an opinion?

[donheld]

38. That he's a liar and Corporate shill

If you're going to call someone a liar back it up.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

39. I'm quite sure he has lied at some point in his life.

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[onehandle]

41. You have no idea what you are talking about. nt

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

32. What other civil rights should employers have control over?

[Captain Hilts]

33. They are walking targets for thugs. NBA players can't hide in a crowd. They need peeps. nt

[donheld]

35. I love Ed, but that's just stupid

[krispos42]

40. Yeah, sure.

I mean, I know that I always to whatever my employer says I should do when I'm not on the clock. Right?

Right?


I'm waiting for the NBA to tell players they should stop getting tattoos and having sex outside of marriage. Yanno, "for the children".

[butterfly77]

42. When he said that last night ..

I knew someone would be posting about this. That sounds so ridiculous. Yes,they did pull guns on each other which is absolutely ridiculous also but,that sounds crazy as hell that NBA players in particular can't own guns.

[bridgit]

45. It's not guns it's hip hop; take the gangsta super fly hip hop crap out of the mix

[PVnRT]

48. So THAT explains why so many rural people own guns

Oh, wait, it doesn't.

[bridgit]

50. The subject is not "rural people", but guns in the locker rooms of the NBA being pulled...

over money associated with gambling debts - which is only the tip of the iceberg - but, you know, thanks for trying to keep it real

[PVnRT]

51. Yes, I'm sure it's all about that "urban" music, right?

:eyes:

[bridgit]

54. Wrong. You're ultimately excusing violent, corrosive behavior...

From whatever sub-group that claims it as their own - that is a lose/lose proposition imo

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

56. It's not guns or hip hop.

It's pigmentation.

[izzybeans]

49. Or just start abiding by gun laws and forbid them in the workplace like the rest of us.

Carrying concealed in your sweatpants or storing them in your gym locker makes you one step away from a well deserved Darwin Award.

When I lived in Indianapolis, it was fairly common to hear about players being harassed by idiots at clubs. One incident led one player to pull a gun on a man in self-defense. Then there is the STephen Jackson incident, which was probably similar but... I can understand a fear for one's safety especially since they wear big targets on their back. But stupid is as stupid does, especially when he has a gun in his elastic waistband.

[Xenotime]

52. Thank you Mr. Schultz for taking a stand against guns.

Progress in America.