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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:06 PM
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Democracy Now! Interview: US-Led Forces Accused of Executing Schoolchildren
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 01:09 PM by G_j
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/6/us_led_forces_accused_of_executing

US-Led Forces Accused of Executing Schoolchildren in Afghanistan

In Afghanistan, hundreds have taken to the streets of Kabul and elsewhere to protest the US killing of civilians. The incident that has sparked the most outrage took place in eastern Kunar on December 27th, when ten Afghans, eight of them schoolchildren, were killed. According to the Times of London, US-led troops dragged innocent children from their beds and shot them during a nighttime raid. Afghan government investigators said the eight students were aged from eleven to seventeen, all but one of them from the same family.

Jerome, welcome to Democracy Now! Lay out the story for us. What is exactly being alleged happened?

JEROME STARKEY: Well, the Afghan investigators believe that an Americans unit—they’re not sure which one, possibly a company with —flew from Kabul to Narang district in Kunar province. They say—Assadullah Wafa, the former governor who led the investigation—they probably landed about two kilometers outside the village where these killings are alleged to have taken place and then walked on foot into the village.

They then say that when they got there—this is where the version of events vary. Some people say that the victims were killed in three separate buildings. Some say they were three separate rooms, all part of the same compound. What most of the people on the scene agree on, though, is that at least eight of them were schoolchildren enrolled in a local—in two schools, one—some in a local high school and some in a local primary school. One of the victims was apparently a local shepherd boy who was staying as a guest in the compound overnight. And the tenth victim was a farmer, a day laborer who was working on the nearby fields, who came out when he heard the shooting and was shot where he stood.

<snip>

AMY GOODMAN: You also spoke with the headmaster of the school, explaining his version of what happened?

JEROME STARKEY: That’s right. He was very keen to give the names of all of the students. He even gave what he said were their enrollment numbers, their registration numbers at the school, as sort of corroborating evidence that they were indeed students. I think even the United Nations’ investigations have confirmed that they believe at least some of the victims were enrolled in local schools. Now that doesn’t necessarily prove that they weren’t involved in any other nefarious sort of activities, but it does corroborate the fact that they were indeed children. And much of the outrage that this attack has caused comes from the fact that the victims were children, ranging from just eleven to seventeen years old. But the headmaster, as I said, he was also an uncle to about eight of the boys. These village communities often—families are very sort of interlinked. But he was very adamant to stress that the victims were innocent schoolchildren.

AMY GOODMAN: Were the kids handcuffed?

JEROME STARKEY: Well, this is one of the facts which is in dispute. But certainly, we spoke to the headmaster. We also spoke to another local called Jan Mohammed from the area. And both of them gave versions of events which suggested that some of the victims, at least some of the victims, had been handcuffed before they were shot. But this is where the exact details of what happened appear to break down, and not all the stories completely corroborate one another. Given the nature of the environment, we haven’t been able to travel there ourselves, and we’ve been relying on telephone interviews with people who are there and people who’ve visited the scene.
<snip>



*Jerome Starkey, the Times of London correspondent in Afghanistan.
Website: JeromeStarkey.com
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Puregonzo1188 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:10 PM
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1. I just reced this, someone had unreced it. Of course, they didn't leave a comment explaining why.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:12 PM
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3. I know why
:)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:24 PM
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10. How can anyone mistake an 11 year old for an insurgent.
I can't even process this story.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:13 PM
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4. Here's another
rec+ that is
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:11 PM
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2. and yet you don't see this "story" discussed in the regional papers
of Afghanistan and Pakistan

http://www.refdesk.com/asia.html#afghan

This story doesn't pass the smell test. First the "facts" have been constantly changing from an air strike to a raid to executions then just shot and so on.


Secondly if this story was true why is it being ignored by the regional publications? Seems to me this would be huge news. In fact the ONLY place this story is getting any play is in the echo chambers of the liberal blogsphere.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:13 PM
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5. I didn't know the Times of London
was part of the liberal blogsphere.
:think:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:14 PM
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6. That's not true
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:37 PM
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12. I have been googling this story ever day for any new information
and there has been nothing new for days.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:16 PM
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27. That link didn't come up with any articles. Here's RAWA's article on this, though...
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 02:17 PM by Turborama

Picture of purported dead bodies of the "schoolchildren"

http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2009/12/28/10-afghan-civilians-including-8-schoolchildren-killed-during-western-operation.html">10 Afghan civilians including eight schoolchildren killed ‘during Western operation’


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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:15 PM
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8. Do fucking tell, Einstein
I'm so enamored of your judgment on other issues, I just can't wait to hear what your next pearl of wisdom will be. It will be hard for you to top the defense of soldiers murdering children, but I'm sure you'll come up with something, unless of course, you yourself don't pass the smell test.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:38 PM
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13. Facts seem to anger you
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:50 PM
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15. which "facts" would those be?
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 01:51 PM by DisgustipatedinCA
I haven't really seen any facts from you in this thread, just your Bush-esque gut feeling that something doesn't pass your "smell test". Get the whiteboard, Mr. plays-a-doctor-on-tv; it's time for a differential analysis.




Edited to change "other than" to "just" after the first comma, in order to avoid looking like I was giving any credence to what you've called "facts".
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:51 PM
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16. That fact that this story is being ignored in the region one would expect
it to be a major story.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:55 PM
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17. well, the interview is with a credible journalist
who has been doing everything he can do to come up with real facts.

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:59 PM
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20. The journalist has little to no evdience, just word of mouth
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 02:10 PM by NJmaverick
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:09 PM
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24. which in most quarters is called, attempting to interview witnesses
I thought you were passionately dedicated to getting to the bottom of this...
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:11 PM
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25. One couldn't even get an indictment with this tissue paper thin evidence
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 02:17 PM by NJmaverick
but for those that want to believe everyone is tried and convicted
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:48 PM
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29. honest reporting
nobody has been tried and convicted in this report.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:43 AM
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41. Yes, if it's not a press release authorized from our Blessed Pentagon, it must be FALSE.
After all, none of our military elements have TARGETED civilians and/or Journalists.

EVER? :eyes:


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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:33 PM
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11. Don't snap your spine bending over backwards like that....
...to excuse an apparent war crime.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:38 PM
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14. No bending is required, when it comes to getting at the truth
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:27 AM
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37. You are hilarious. Keep those blinders on.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:15 PM
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7. K&R
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:17 PM
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9. K&R. Some city on a hill, huh?
nt
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:56 PM
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18. knr
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GreenMetalFlake Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:59 PM
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19. It's a truly evil bastard that can murder children
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:02 PM
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21. Its even more evil bastards that sit in DC and send our kids to murder children
the real evil lies in the politicians, generals, and a system that wages war for profit.

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GreenMetalFlake Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:05 PM
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23. "Following orders" doesn't count for anything either. Individuals are accountable for their actions.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:12 PM
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26. I agree but I always remember that the troops
are at the breaking point. 5-6 times redeployed over and over and over. I am not surprised this is ending up like Vietnam .

I put the blame squarely on the bigshots who start the occupations and continue them. every politician, general, and CEO with monied interests in these occupations has blood on their hands.

yes, the soldiers should be tried for this. but there would be no soldiers there if we stopped occupying other people's countries for profit.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:39 PM
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28. Let's not forget the churches
The Southern Baptist Convention officially pre-approved Bush's war on behalf of their god.

Many conservative churches hand out voters' guides telling their members to vote for warmongers.

Those are the super-evil bastards who make the victories of the afore-mentioned evil bastards possible.

AND they're still tax-exempt!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:28 PM
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30. to be fair
many churches opposed the Iraq from the beginning also.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:40 PM
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31. You're right.
The exceptions are many, but generally small.

The biggest churches/denominations seem to be horrible.

The SBC is entirely pro-war, xenophobic, homophobic, pro-money, anti-sharing. The exact opposite of what Jesus is supposed to have advocated.

The RCC would support Hitler if he was anti-gay and anti-abortion. Come to think of it...

But you're right there are those who haven't gone over to the dark side and they deserve massive credit for it.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:04 PM
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22. K
already R'ed
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:06 PM
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32. K & R - n/t.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:22 PM
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33. Kick
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 03:18 AM
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34. K&R and sick to my stomach! eom
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:22 AM
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35. Ya know
these people spinning this turns my stomach. Put Bush as POTUS instead of Obama and would they be coming up with these excuses?
In the same way, Bush wars = BAD. Obama wars = GOOD. :puke:

No. Absolutely not.
And if they'd say they'd defend Bush, or any other Repuke, in the same way I'd tell them straight up they're lying.


I suggest they take a look at what passes for a conscience and gave a good long think about what exactly they're saying and for what reason.


It's revolting. Completely revolting.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:23 AM
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36. knr. This story needs to get to a wider audience.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:34 AM
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38. Sort of a tricky phrase used at the start of the interview and...
also used several times during the question/answer session:

:"...US-LED TROOPS..."

What nationality were the troops being led by Americans?

Lots of very strange groups hunting over there.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:36 AM
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40. Who knows. There are more private mercenaries than US troops.
Of course we employ them and the Afghans can't be expected to distinguish between the various guys with guns.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:45 AM
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42. The jounalists said specifically "Special Forces" - that sounds like USA. eom
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 10:35 AM
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39. K&R
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 10:35 AM by Moochy
:kick: :(
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