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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 04:25 AM
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Pro-gay provisions may be stripped from health bill
http://www.365gay.com/news/pro-gay-provisions-may-be-stripped-from-health-bill/

News on Capitol Hill Wednesday morning suggested there was little hope for keeping pro-LGBT provisions in the health care reform legislation Congress hopes to pass. But Rep. Barney Frank says he’s still “somewhat optimistic.”

According to The Hill, a newspaper that serves Capitol Hill readers, leaders of the House and Senate decided Tuesday evening to stick with the Senate version of the health care reform bill –the one without any pro-gay provisions—rather than go through a conference committee negotiation to merge the two versions. The paper said the decision was made on Tuesday night in a meeting that included only President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
The pro-LGBT provisions include:

ending the current tax inequity for gay employees who cover their partners or spouses on their work health insurance coverage;

prohibiting discrimination in health care based on “personal characteristics”;

and launching studies to end health disparities for people based on their sexual orientation and gender identity.

If Congress decides not to merge the bills, the House would be able to amend the Senate bill and send it back to the Senate for a final vote, but the likelihood of pro-LGBT amendments being accepted onto a bill that has already been ravaged with controversy –over how and whether abortions could be covered and the exclusion of a government-run option for insurance— seems small.

But Rep. Frank says there’s still plenty of room for negotiation with the Senate over the legislation to keep some of the pro-LGBT provisions passed as part of the House bill.

“There will still be negotiation between the House and the Senate over what’s in the bill,” said Frank, adding that, because the House will apparently have to make some concessions on major issues, it may have some leverage to keep the pro-LGBT provisions.

Meanwhile, Republicans are reportedly still trying to kill the bill, whatever form it takes, by persuading conservative Democrats to vote against it. Frank says it will be important for LGBT people and their supporters to lobby these conservative Democrats to continue supporting the legislation.

The vote margins in both the House and the Senate were very narrow on initial passage, leaving the effort to pass a bill without a conference fight a still uncertain future. In addition, legal challenges are brewing over enticements that were added to the Senate bill in order to win enough votes for passage there.

....

The Human Rights Campaign, in response to a request for comment, issued this statement suggesting it is not yet giving up:

“The decision to forgo a traditional conference does not change the fact that the negotiations between House and Senate leadership to complete health care reform will undoubtedly be complex and difficult on a range of issues. We will continue to strongly push the congressional leadership to ensure that critical protections for LGBT people included in the House-passed bill are part of the final measure.”
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PizzaDriver Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 04:40 AM
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1. i'm shocked... shocked, i tell you.... nt
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 04:44 AM
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2. And somebody's gonna show up here in a minute and say that THIS is no big deal
And that it's STILL reform without the pro-gay provisions.

Just like they'll say that NEXT week when the "no discrimination against people with pre-existing conditions" thing gets removed. Because...wait for it...mandates are reform enough.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 08:19 AM
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13. This bill SUCKS, and gets worse with every passing day. Despite what the "team leaders" say.
I say kill it.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 04:45 AM
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3. Who's insisting on throwing gays under the bus in THIS bill?
I thought even Big Premium Joe claimed to be gay-friendly.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 05:56 AM
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5. It's amazing we don't know, especially with such
OPEN government and all. :shrug:

:sarcasm:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 05:55 AM
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4. Why am I not surprised?
I'm so used to being under the bus at this point, nothing surprises me any more.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 05:57 AM
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6. At least we have good company
down here
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 06:03 AM
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7. so, basically, what's left that really benefits We The Lowest Life Forms known as VOTERS?
This is an abomination, and if the suckers, er, American people fall for it and start meekly paying their mandated contributions to the CEO welfare fund with no fuss, no friggin REBELLION, I truly give up all hope for the future of this "democracy."
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 06:04 AM
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8. If the bill passes, they probably won't kill us. Unless they have to.
That's something, isn't it?
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 12:52 PM
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20. No, it benefits the insurance industry
That's why they can't afford to have "controversial" provisions for abortion or gay spouses/partners. The thing MUST pass to save the insurance industry.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 06:41 AM
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9. who else is the dem leadership going to take a big steamy shit on next?
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 08:22 AM
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14. Women, unions, middle class, LGBT...
Next they'll add something to penalize minorities - specifically.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 12:58 PM
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22. Fear not! There is room for all under the Hopemobile! n/t
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 12:59 PM
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26. Anyone who isn't a rich, corporate, christian entity.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 06:42 AM
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10. Oh what a surprise!
I have the vapors!!! I am so shocked!

Thank goodness media reform is more important than our civil rights, I won't have to worry my silly little head. Oh, I know that isn't a scientific poll, but it is good to see that more than a handful of people think our issues are less important than a number of other issues.

I remember those shirts:

"Silly Faggot! Dix are for Chix!"

I guess we will soon be seeing:

"We're here! We're not queer! No "pony" for you dear!"
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WVRICK13 Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 07:20 AM
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11. I'm Used To Being
treated like a non-citizen. Nothing new here. Nothing equal here. Nothing democratic here. Nothing even pretending to uphold the lies of equality under the law in our fascist country.
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AB_Positive Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 08:00 AM
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12. Just another reason I have my papers set for Canadian citizenship.
Just straight up ridiculous. Every day I see yet another confirmation that jumping ship is the right move. I suggest others do the same. This isn't a country for us anymore.

Or never was, I guess I should say.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 09:32 AM
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15. You are doing the smart thing.
Without a doubt.
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 11:35 AM
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18. We have paid tens of thousands of dollars...
...because of this tax over the years. And we've been together 18 years. She keeps asking me to marry her in new venues, so we will probably be together for the rest of our lives.

She also is in a union that has sacrificed mightily to secure good health care benefits for its members' families. So we are going to be doubled screwed if this goes through.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 11:33 AM
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16. What are the age requirements?
I'm retired military, so health care for me wouldn't be a burden for Canada. Also, one of my great grandmothers was Canadian. Any info you could provide would be greatly appreciated.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 11:35 AM
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17. And just when we thought this pos couldn't get any worse!
:puke: :puke: :puke: :grr: :grr: :grr: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 12:28 PM
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19. HE'S ONLY SINGING ONE SONG!!!!!!!1
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 12:57 PM
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21. What a goddamned joke.
:mad:

Just when yout hought that piece of shit bill couldn't get any worse...
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 12:58 PM
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23. They don't add to insurance cos' bottom lines, so off course they have to go...n/t
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 12:59 PM
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24. of course!
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 12:59 PM
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25. ITS ONLY GOIGN TO BE A TO MINUTE PRAYER!1!1!!11!!!!11
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 01:00 PM
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27. +500
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 01:01 PM
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28. HATERR!1!!!!111!!!!!
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 04:23 PM
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29. why are you a racist?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 04:25 PM
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30. You never liked Obama to begin with.
:silly:
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 05:57 PM
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31. you're just a bitter Hillary supporter and a PUMA....go back to Freepland you troll.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 07:51 PM
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33. Why do you hate America? Why? n/t
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 08:15 PM
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34. BOOGERNOSE!! POOPIEHEAD!!! POOPIENOSE!!!! BOOGERHEAD!!!!!
Edited on Fri Jan-08-10 08:19 PM by Ken Burch
(I wasn't actually interested in this argument, just thought it needed a little MORE childishness).
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 08:51 PM
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39. You just hate him because he's so dreeeeeeeeeamy! n/t
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 08:53 PM
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40. Well yeah....but is that a BAD thing?
n/t.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 06:19 PM
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32. Don't let the good be the enemy of Obama's perfect, people, please.
:sarcasm:
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 08:28 PM
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36. A this point, we need to revise that slogan to read
Edited on Fri Jan-08-10 08:28 PM by Ken Burch
"Don't let the thing, be the enemy of the other thing".
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 08:46 PM
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38. e.g. "Don't let political awareness be the enemy of us fucking you over"
Not quite the ring of YES WE CAN, but more accurate.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 08:15 PM
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35. Hush! We Have Midterms Coming Up!
Edited on Fri Jan-08-10 08:16 PM by Toasterlad
The Democratic party will deal with you "people" and your pet issues when they're done with the more important things, which is everything else.

P.S. Fierce advocate!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 08:32 PM
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37. Honestly, if I trusted this president, I'd support this change.
What really should happen is they should wrap all these bullshit homophobic laws into one huge stinking package and repeal/remedy them all at once. It would be an incredibly powerful statement against discrimination and would (IMHO) have a better chance of passing than these piecemeal amendments.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 11:50 PM
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 12:01 AM
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42. they;re all in the Swamp
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 12:33 AM
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 12:39 AM
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44. Look! Over here! Quick! A picture of Bo!
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Ildem09 Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 12:58 AM
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45. Damn i wanna come up from under the bus!
I'm gay, a Howard Dean Supporter, anti-war activist. im tired of being under this damn bus. i thought we voted for these clowns last Nov to get out from under this damn bus
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 01:07 AM
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46. It's nice and warm back here by the exhaust. n/t
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Ildem09 Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 01:11 AM
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47. meh i've got the bf to cuddle with. :) but still damnit the axle keeps getting in the way :(
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 02:50 PM
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48. That's no axle!
Edited on Sat Jan-09-10 02:50 PM by Bluebear
:)
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