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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 01:17 AM
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Good question. "Are New York Democrats Ready for Harold Ford's Faithiness?"
Edited on Sat Jan-09-10 01:22 AM by madfloridian
That is a question being asked by Sarah Posner, formerly of the FundamentaList, in this article at Religion Dispatches. It's a good question to ask as rumors spread that he will challenge Kristin Gillibrand. It is not just about religion or Christianity, it is about the future of the party. The way it played out the last few years it has become a major issue in our party.

It should not be a major issue.

From Religion Dispatches:

Are New York Democrats Ready for Harold Ford's Faithiness?

Amid a cacophony of news stories about the Democrats supposedly losing a grip on power because of the retirements of Byron Dorgan and Chris Dodd, the Senate leadership is now fretting that Harold Ford, Jr., who faced the Tennessee Republican Party's shamefully racist ads in his unsuccessful 2006 run for the Senate from that state, is now considering running for Senate in his new home state of New York.

Ford is thought to be considering a challenge to Kristen Gillebrand, who was appointed to the seat last year when Hillary Clinton became Secretary of State. But is New York ready for his brand of conserva-faithiness?

Take a look at this ad Ford ran in his 2006 Senate race. Filmed in a church, with a cross just over his shoulder (the same sort of imagery people howled about when Mike Huckabee used it in 2007), Ford testifies to church being where he learned "the difference between right and wrong." Funny, then, that he went on in that same ad to brag about how he voted "against amnesty for illegals." In another "faithy" vote, Ford, then serving in the House, was one of 47 Democrats who voted with the Tom DeLay-led Republicans in favor of federal government intervention to try to stop the removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube.


Pro Choice groups have already blasted Ford

"Ford’s anti-LGBT positions run in marked contrast with Senator Gillibrand’s unyielding support for our community. In the year that she has been in the US Senate, Senator Gillibrand has been an outspoken and passionate supporter of every single piece of pro-LGBT legislation that currently exists at the federal level. She has often led the charge in the Senate for calling for the repeal of “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.” She became the first US Senator from New York to support marriage equality, and she actively lobbied members of the New York State Senate to support the marriage equality bill before it received a vote on Dec. 2, 2009.

For our community — and any New Yorker who cares about equality for LGBT people — there is no contest here. Senator Kirsten Gillibrand deserves our full support if she is going to be challenged by someone who has a dismal voting record on our rights — someone like Harold Ford, Jr. of Tennessee.


Also NARAL weighs in:

NARAL Pro-Choice New York opposes the potential Senate candidacy of Harold Ford, Jr. and would like to make it perfectly clear to all voters that Harold Ford, Jr. is — unlike the overwhelming majority of New Yorkers — anti-choice.

The ongoing debate on healthcare reform has put in clear perspective how one legislator’s vote can have a dramatic impact on the lives of American women. New York State has not – and will not — provide that anti-choice vote. NARAL Pro-Choice New York — and more importantly, the voters of our state — will not stand for it.


Will Marshall of the misnamed Progressive Policy Institute once called those who believe in church and state separation as stridently secular groups

Above all, Senate Democrats should avoid knee-jerk opposition to the faith-based proposal as well as the rhetoric of their House counterparts, which too often was tinged with hostility to religion. This only plays into the hands of GOP strategists determined to drive the wedge deeper between Democrats and religious people, who leaned strongly toward the Republicans in 2000.

Democrats cannot afford to let stridently secular groups define their views on the interplay between religion and public life. Instead, they should follow the lead of Lieberman and his running mate, Al Gore, who challenged Democrats during the campaign to reject the "hollow secularism" of the left, and added: "We must dare to embrace faith-based approaches that advance our shared goals as Americans."


Seems as though the religious right has been firmly embraced as was the goal of the conservative Democrats.

Even Barack Obama once chided a Democratic leader who said the Republicans were mostly a white Christian party.

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) criticized Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean Wednesday night for using "religion to divide."

Obama told reporters gathered at the Rock the Vote awards dinner at the National Building Museum in Washington, D.C., that Dean needs to tone down his rhetoric. Dean said on Monday that the Republican Party was "pretty much a white, Christian party."

"As somebody who is a Christian myself, I don't like it when people use religion to divide, whether that is Republican or Democrat," Obama said. See Video"I think in terms of his role as party spokesman, Dean probably needs to be a little more careful and I suspect that is a message he is going to be getting from a number of us," Obama explained.

"We are at a time in our country's history that inclusive language is better than exclusive language," he added.

Obama says Dean using religion to divide


Well, gee, it is not as though the religious right ever embraced those of us who prefer a secular government. Now they have as much if not more power in government than they did under Bush's administration.

It's been a pattern for a while that one must accept that the Democrats will embrace the religious right strongly.

This is not about religion per se. It is about the direction of the party in terms of women's rights, gay rights, and acceptance of those who are not happy with the religious groups who advocate against those rights.

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 01:22 AM
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1. Ford is a jerk! I don't live in NY so I cant vote ther but
no Nyer should vote for him
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 01:22 AM
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2. a DLC tool
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 01:23 AM
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3. Ford is the DLC taken to an extreme
I should know, I worked in his campaign and was actually pretty closely associated with him.

He's a wolf in sheeps clothing, or as many of us said in 2006 - a elephant in a donkeys fur.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 06:27 PM
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23. It's interesting to hear that from someone who has been around him. It validates my
strong hunches about him. Thanks, TornadoTN.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 01:37 AM
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4. What the hell is Ford doing running in New York?
He's a Tennessee politician who should stay there.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 12:14 PM
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34. That sort of stuff plays well in the South
I can't see it working in New York.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 01:40 AM
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5. Fuck Harold Ford
with a Ugandan businessman.

There is nothing endearing about him.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 02:16 AM
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6. New York believes in separation of church and state.
As a New York voter I believe in separation of New York and phony baloney harold ford. dnc Democrats are making huge missteps with all voters.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 02:21 AM
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7. Him we don't need.
Nope. Not one more blue dog.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 02:30 AM
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8. Makes Gillibrand look progressive...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 01:45 AM
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31. Yes, he does.
:hi:
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 03:03 PM
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38. Hi right back... Know who I would support in that race!
:)
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 03:11 AM
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9. I voted for him here in TN, but talk about "holding your nose!"
We got stuck with Corker, and compared to him I would vote for just about anyone - even Lieberman.

Frankly, I don't see much difference between Ford Jr. and Lieberman.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 11:24 PM
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29. I did too, but it was really hard to do. Harold Ford is way too conservative.
$$$ are all he counts.

He's just an awful Democrat(?) if you can even call him that.

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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 03:17 AM
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33. Lieberman may be to Ford Jr.'s LEFT.
n/t.,
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 05:48 AM
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10. He's too far to the Right for many TN Democrats. He'll get chewed up and spat out in NY.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 06:47 AM
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11. They are both awful.
I can't believe that in a state with 16 million people this is the choice that the party apparatus is allowing us to make.
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 07:04 AM
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12. It is all a scam
To hide how horrible Gillebrand has been by running an even worse DLCer against her. Lets dump them both!
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 07:21 AM
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13. Yup, so horrible that the DLC has their top gun on the scene
She doesn't seem to be as corporate friendly as even those deep into the caucus, much less the New Dems and the DLC.

I'm thinking she could have got away with being a corporate toadie/stooge but sticking up for the 2nd amendment makes you Strom Thurmond.
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 07:30 AM
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14. She sure screwed the last few votes up
She could have been a hero on the public option and endeared herself to us NYers by voting for the re-importation of prescription meds, but noooooooo. Did she stick up for the 2nd amendment? Good for her. I wish dems would drop that crap. It just loses us votes and isn't a very important issue IMHO. These days, if my neighbor wants a howitzer I'm just fine with that as long as he promises to keep it pointed at town hall. :)

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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 06:30 PM
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24. ". . . as long as he keeps it pointed at town hall."
:rofl:

That was a good one, Yuugal.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 09:33 AM
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15. I guess you will find out when they vote?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 09:35 AM
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16. has harold moved to new york? he's a tennessee politician
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 11:31 AM
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17. I think he moved when he got married.
Why in the world he would consider running against Gillibrand, who is pretty conservative..I have no clue.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 11:25 PM
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30. He moved when he went to work for Merrill Lynch and joined corporate boards.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 04:11 PM
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18. I am not a Ford man
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 05:51 PM
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19. Does that make you a
Chevy guy?

(Some days I have no willpower at all.)
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 05:54 PM
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20. Harold Ford rubs elbows with people that support executing gays
That's the sort of scum this POS is.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 07:08 PM
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27. The POS also supported torture when he was a congressman.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 05:56 PM
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21. I was kinda pissed about Obama's remonstrations with Howard Dean.
Anyway, it's not so much that the Dems are embracing the religious right. That would take some cooperation from the fundies. More like the Dems are running after them, clutching at them as the fundies continue to avoid them--altogether a much less dignified and more pathetic display of groveling than merely embracing them would be.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 06:21 PM
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22. You make some good points.
It is stronger than embracing. It is like a deliberate choice to turn to them.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 06:44 PM
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26. And the most pathetic part is that the Religious Wrong don't want them.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 06:33 PM
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25. Just one more example of why the Democratic Party will get ZERO dollars from me until
they abandon this corporatist lovefest.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 07:13 PM
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28. I met Harold Ford once, he was a bigger tool than the average politician
I knocked on doors for the guy in Tennessee because Bob Corkuh was worse. I don't think he has a chance in New York.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 01:52 AM
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32. Why would Harold Ford ever think New York Democrats would want a MORE conservative nominee?
Most of them thought Gillibrand was too right-wing when she was appointed (she HAS turned out to be better than expected in office, to be fair).

Why doesn't he take the chance, which living in a progressive state gives him, of actually returning to the principles his FATHER stood for?
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 02:06 PM
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35. If you live in Florida and not in New York
Edited on Sun Jan-10-10 02:06 PM by Gman
you don't have a vote in the election and its pretty much none of your business.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 02:15 PM
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36. Wrong.
The possibility of another pathetic DLC piece of shit, especially one who is so blatantly anti-choice, anti-LGBT, and pro Wall Street Criminal, being in the Senate, is EVERYBODY's business.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 09:39 PM
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40. So vote against him
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Progressive dog Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 02:20 PM
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37. This is a bad joke
I am from Gillebrand's congressional district, which only elected republicans for decades. While she was a bluish dog democrat in the house, she has moved away from the corporate democrats in the Senate.
Ford could not come close to winning in a primary here, much less in the state as a whole.

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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 03:14 PM
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39. Here's hoping for an epic fail for Ford.
We've already got too many fetus fetishists in Congress...
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