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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 02:28 PM Original message |
I don't get it. Why is the government going to tax me for HCR to correct |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. The capitol should be moved to fucking Montana or something |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 06:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
71. I was thinking that myself. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
2. They are trying to curb what every doctor recommends in treatments by taxing you. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. another words..they are playing doctor with no medical training? |
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murphyj87 (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 12:31 AM Response to Reply #12 |
54. Playing physician with no medical training.. |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
64. But they slept at a Ritz Carlton last night.... |
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murphyj87 (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 12:29 AM Response to Reply #2 |
53. And medical insurance companies.... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
3. I guess it follows along with giving Wall Street firms billions of our tax dollars to correct a l |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
4. They're not going to tax you |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. No, I think you really don't get it. Your post is so full of fudge that |
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Frosty1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Prove it |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. You want the facts? Try to read them |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. Translation: If you have a good health-care plan you |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. For the insurance company? How do you get that out of it? |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 11:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Isn't the government forcing several million more people to |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Which means HIGHER Co-pay with LESS Coverage |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. I disagree |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
47. The excise tax would not be passed on to you. It is on the insurance |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. My employer has already stated that they don't think they can |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. It won't affect your plan--don't know what you are talking about |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. How about we make a bet then |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. do i have fucking swamp land for you..real cheap too..with aligators included.. |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
18. You're selling the moral-hazard myth. |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. Where will the government get the money to subsidize? Taxes! |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Your opinion versus that of all the top liberal health and labor economists |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
37. Increased wages are a hope; actually what will happen is that corporations |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
41. The excise tax doesn't explain where the subsidy will come from. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
36. There WILL be extra taxes to cover the "subsidy" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Deleted sub-thread |
sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
42. I think the OP gets it, I think we all get it. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 11:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
44. Hm. |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 01:46 AM Response to Reply #4 |
57. I am betting that a majority of people |
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grytpype (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
60. This is too complicated for most people. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
8. Why are they taxing *you*? |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
9. Americans over 50, but too young for Medicare (65) will be hit hard by this "reform" |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Yep. Already hard to find employment if you lose your job over 50 |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. You make a point I hadn't considered. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Whole bunches of us out of work these days and many companies go after our age group 1st |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 05:44 PM Response to Reply #30 |
69. Interesting concept. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
68. Democratic in Name Only |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
34. You'd be right, if the bill didn't already provide for older workers |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. I am right. Your cited provision is for "retired people over 55". I'd said "older workers" |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Some have theirs so the rest can eat cake! |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 12:04 AM Response to Reply #9 |
50. Why are you sating they'd be taxed? The tax is not on the person |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
10. Perhaps you should find a way to get the answer to your question....if you feel it is important |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. I think the OP know the answer |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 03:17 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. And let's all put on our thinking caps and try to figure out how the insurance companies will behave |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Insurance companies will do the right thing. They always do. |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
61. And for the first time in history they have a REASON to do the right thing |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. I think that they have a legal responsibility to earn profits |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
62. Maybe we need an icon for "rhetorical question." Of course mine |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
21. They are basically making sure everyone pays the Insurance Industry... |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
29. They are not. They will tax the corporations. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
31. Raven, what do you think happens with Medicare? Everyone is taxed |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. They won't have any more access to health care than they do now. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. There are a number of non-profit health insurers, including most Blue Cross |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
46. Is this the same benevolent Blue Cross Blue Shield that has jacked their rates |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 12:24 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Right now only seniors have access to insurance now matter what the state |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #52 |
70. Do you really really think that after the Big Insurers are handed |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
38. They're not. Try reading the bill instead of buying into hysteria. nt |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
45. Settle down. The good folks over at "Big Pharma Controls All" |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
51. that's pretty much all governments got. taxes. it doesn't matter who created the problem... |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
55. Wow. Are you serious? |
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shawcomm (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 06:27 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. That's well and good, but |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
56. it's called sucking corporate ass |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 06:47 AM Response to Original message |
59. They aren't going to tax you. They're just going to screw you out of benefits |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
63. Kill the bill! |
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Johnny ramone (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Yup. |
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cyclezealot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
66. Not my ideal plan.. But, |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. The rate for individual plans that will be taxed is $8500 per year |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
72. I would be totally fine with my tax dollars paying for healthcare |
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