So where are all the "Green Tech Jobs" Mr President

[FreakinDJ]

It's time - in fact its long over due. Put America on track to Sustainable Energy and put Americans back to work at the same time

I'm sick and tired of seeing 1000s of acers of unused commercial roof tops in every major city

Time to legislate all commercial properties in excess of 5,000 square feet utilize any combination of Solar, Photo-voltaic, Wind/Power Generation, or Thermal Dynamic Cooling, to produce 10% of their total energy consumption. Allow tax credits in the form of an accelerated depreciation cost of equipment on Manufactured in the USA.

QUIT -Throwing Money Down the Drain calling it a "Job Stimulus Package" with funds dedicated towards Police and Schools. If you legitimately put Americans back to work with Green Technology the Tax Coffers will be filled by the earnings of Hard Working Americans.

Energy Independence / Economic Recovery - as any economist can tell you no matter what reforms are put in place until we as a Nation address the issue as soon as OPEC Pinches Off Production or China decides to subsidize the cost of a barrel of Oil again and the cost of oil goes up, our economy WILL FAULTER. Taking Swift decisive measures to insure America's Future Energy Independence is the only way Americans can once again be in charge of their own destiny

Don't Fail me Now Mr President - YES WE Can

[babylonsister]

1. Here, from yesterday...

http://obama-mamas.com/blog/?p=929

[FreakinDJ]

8. Nice link - thanks sis

[DJ13]

2. While green jobs are important to the future, what he really needs to do

is bring manufacturing for existing products back to our country.

Tariffs, punitive taxes on corporations that outsource, and a reinvestment plan to help pay for a renewed manufacturing base here in our country is whats needed first.

Those green jobs will require several years of R&D before theres enough products ready for manufacture to make a dent in our unemployment.

We need large scale manufacturing yesterday, not tomorrow.

(And part of me thinks the President and his advisers knew this in the campaign, but they wanted a promise easily made that wouldnt upset the corporations by threatening to damage their high profits from manufacturing overseas.)

[FreakinDJ]

5. Photo-Voltaic is "Plug and Play" - ready to go NOW

There are approximately 11 billion square meters of commercial rooftop surface available worldwide. Tapping even a small fraction of this potential would make a significant impact on the world’s energy needs.

Solyndra designs, manufactures and sells solar photovoltaic (PV) systems comprised of panels and mounting hardware for large, low-slope commercial rooftops. The Solyndra system is designed to enhance PV performance on commercial rooftops by converting more of the sunlight that strikes the total rooftop area into electricity.

Solyndra's panels employ cylindrical modules which capture sunlight across a 360-degree photovoltaic surface capable of converting direct, diffuse and reflected sunlight into electricity. Solyndra's panels achieve effective energy generation when mounted horizontally and spaced significantly closer together than conventional panels on a typical rooftop, thereby enabling greater rooftop coverage and enhanced energy production over the system’s lifetime.

The Solyndra system is lightweight and allows modules to be spaced apart within the panels so that wind can blow through them, thus eliminating the need for expensive mounting hardware and ballast typically required to secure conventional panels against uplift from the wind. The horizontal mounting and unique "air-flow" properties of Solyndra's solar panel design substantially simplify the installation process for Solyndra's PV systems. The ease of installation and simpler mounting hardware of the Solyndra system enables its customers to significantly reduce labor, hardware, design and other balance of systems costs, which account for a substantial portion of the total installed cost of a conventional PV system.
Using proprietary cylindrical CIGS modules and thin-film technology, Solyndra systems are designed to provide the lowest cost of electricity on commercial rooftops by delivering the lowest total systems costs per watt and the highest kilowatt hour production per rooftop for typical installations.
http://www.solyndra.com/Products/Optimized-PV

The problem is not so much the Technology as much as it is the "Road Blocks" the many various Utility Providers have set up to prevent applications of Green Tech. You Federaly Legislate Mandates for Utility Companies and States alike to clear the way for Green Technology, provide TAX incentives for the US Manfacture of these products, and Legislate the Gross Energy Wasters (Commercial Properties) to start producing a portion of their energy consuption. Why not - California did just exactly that with "Tittle 24" in the early 90s - and it was a HUGE Success

[DJ13]

15. Yes but how many people could that employ over the next 5 years?

I know there are some green products already in manufacture, but theres not enough to make a dent in our 11 million (and counting) unemployed.

Thats why we need to build out a manufacturing base on existing products first.

[FreakinDJ]

16. That is why I say "Legislate ALL Commercial Properties over 5000 sq ft"

Why Commercial Properties over 5000 sq ft -

First off they have the Greatest Amounts of Wasted Energy. Many are leased properties the owner doesn't want to invest in and the lessor doesn't want to invest in. So the Waste is passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices or to the share holder in the form of reduced profits. 1 thing is for certain reduce energy cost equate to increased profits immediately.

Additionally a 5000 sq ft retailer uses on average uses 100,000 watts of lighting. Of course all the lighting energy needs additional Cooling to offset the heat generated from the lighting. All constructed by the Lowest Possible Bid - Energy Hogs at least

The Cheapest Construction method around are "Tilt-Up Flat Topped Buildings". Perfect for Green Tech Energy Producing products

[rosesaylavee]

3. You might want to recheck this resource:

http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/home.aspx

I think we will see more projects starting this spring as well. I work for an online national construction website - lots and lots of projects are starting this spring in both the private and public sector using stim monies. Tho most were 'shovel ready', it just takes a while to get thru municipality and county red tape to get these started. (my opinion, not the WH).

I agree with you that we need more job creation but the construction side of things will start to help some of that and put money in people's pockets.

AND, I would like to see more cities utilize their roofs... I know that Chicago is one of the leaders in this movement and that it has helped keep temps down in the summers.

[branders seine]

4. $2.3 billion for green corporations; trillions upon trillions for banks and insurance corporations.

$2.3 billion is less than Goldman Sachs paid--using our money!--in bonuses just to the members of the department responsible for their derivatives meltdown. Wall Street reportedly paid over $120 billion in bonuses in total in 2009.


Tax credits and tax gimmicks are republican supply-side ideas. Obama is clearly not serious about this. His high-falutin' purty talk about building the green economy of the future and leading the world in green technology was just as much bullshit as most of the rest of his campaign agenda.

[FreakinDJ]

7. Don't Fund it - Legislate it

The Money is already there........

The use of Green Energy would make these business properties MORE profitable by Lowering Overhead Cost

[RiverStone]

14. I agree and do you know of a resource...

Which practically talks about how the use of Green Energy does make business more profitable.

Thanks! :hi:

[FreakinDJ]

17. Here is 1 sponsored by Wash State University

http://www.energyideas.org/documents/factsheets/casinos.pdf

Secondly since the Commercial entities operate during Daylight hours they would not need "Storage" for Energy produced through Photo-Voltaic systems. They could even by-pass the costly Inverters used to convert DC - to AC voltage and go with dual voltage DC Lighting in many applications, thus shedding their day light hours of electrical demand for energy.

With the use of Thermal-Dynamic cooling systems they would eliminate the need for electrically driven Mechanical Cooling in their roof top AC units.

I'm only suggesting they be legislated to produce 10% of their total energy consumption. Applied evenly across all 50 states this adds up to an astronomical amount

[sandnsea]

9. There is $40 billion in the stimulus

The $2.3 billion tax credit is just one part of it that got so much response that they added another $5 billion to the program. That's right, you say it's worthless while small businesses out there are desperately fighting for the assistance.

[branders seine]

10. I still say he has made his priorities clear

investment in our green future is not in his top ten.

[sandnsea]

11. He's invested more than any other President

You wouldn't know that because DU is nothing but an Obama hating trash bin anymore.

[FreakinDJ]

13. Sure didn't Kill it like Ronnie RayGuns did

Can you imagine the advancements we could have made in the Technology is that Fuck Wad had just left the Jimmy Carter's Tax Incentives alone.

[endless october]

6. bring back manufacturing.

no manufacturing, no recovery.

[Greyhound]

12. No, no, no, you just don't understand The Grand Design.

First, we must bankroll the orgy of destruction for "our contributors". Next, we have to "save the economy" from the banksters by giving the banksters a trillion dollar bonus and then back their losses with another $15T. After that, we have to save the auto-makers from the unbearable demands of those stupid workers, mostly by financing the firing of the workers and by allowing the "stakeholders" to loot the remaining assets so those workers don't get their dirty hands on any of our money.

And this is where we originally planned to get around to you, but we got a call from our impoverished insurance and pharmaceutical buddies and they noticed that they were left out of the giveaways "reforms", so we have to really get moving to save them. Now, we should be done ensuring their future in the next few months so now we can get back to you...

Oh excuse me, that's the special inside line...

Look, I really have to take this call it's the energy and oil companies, tell Rahm to see if we can get you an appointment in the next year or two, on your way out.

[Frustratedlady]

18. Here is one that was announced this morning in The Hawk Eye

http://www.thehawkeye.com/story/Seimens-stimulus-010910

This is a fairly new plant building wind turbines, but with the economy down, projected projects were delayed. The stimulus awarded money to get them back on track.