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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 01:48 PM
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Good News: Will We Hear It?
Whenever I write about U.S. politics, people ask me "Don't you have any good news?" (Unless the Republicans are in power, in which case people ask me "Who are you going to vote for?") But I do have good news, boatloads of good news, if Americans want to hear it.

If a city or state next to yours were to achieve a dramatic breakthrough for democratic representation, environmental sustainability, healthcare, education, peace, or justice, wouldn't that be good news? Wouldn't you trumpet that news where you live and demand the same of your elected officials?

When the United States gets something right nationally, and even when we don't, we're happy to assume that others around the world would like to imitate it. Some of us think bombs are the best way to help them do so. Others prefer diplomacy. But we all pretty much believe in sharing our wisdom.

But what if another country, or a large block of other countries, were to solve the most vexing problems facing the United States? What if they were to show us a general outline of how we could fix all the troubles that most trouble us?

Well, that would, of course, be an affront to denounce, ignore, and avoid. Unless our pining after good news were to outweigh our xenophobic pride and we were to become open to accepting the gifts of some of that non-American 95 percent of humanity.

If that happens, the first place we should look is Europe, and our guide should be Steven Hill's brilliant and comprehensive new book "Europe's Promise: Why the European Way Is the Best Hope in an Insecure Age."

The European Union (EU) is the world's largest and most competitive economy, and most of those living in it are wealthier, healthier, and happier than most Americans. Europeans work shorter hours, have a greater say in how their employers behave, receive lengthy paid vacations and paid parental leave, can rely on guaranteed paid pensions, have free or extremely inexpensive comprehensive and preventative healthcare, enjoy free or extremely inexpensive educations from preschool through college, impose half the per-capita environmental damage of Americans, endure a fraction of the violence found in the United States, imprison a fraction of the prisoners locked up here, and benefit from democratic representation, engagement, and civil liberties unimagined in the land where we're teased that the world hates our rather mediocre "freedoms." Europe even offers a model foreign policy, bringing neighboring nations toward democracy by holding out the prospect of EU membership, while we drive other nations away from good governance at great expense of blood and treasure.

What wonderful news! And yet, how many times during the Great Health Insurance Reform Debate did anyone take a look at the wheels already invented in Europe, where single-payer systems and systems built around non-profit insurance companies and price controls out-perform the for-profit U.S. system in every way? We would rather suffer more and die sooner than learn from people who live across an ocean, even if they learned a lot from us, even if we imposed structures on them a half-century ago that would have benefitted us as well.

Of course, this WOULD all be good news, if not for the extreme and horrible danger of higher taxes! Working less and living longer with less illness, a cleaner environment, a better education, more cultural enjoyments, paid vacations, and governments that respond better to the public -- that all SOUNDS nice, but the reality involves the ultimate evil of higher taxes! Or does it?

As Hill points out, Europeans do pay higher income taxes, but they generally pay lower state, local, property, and social security taxes. (They also pay those higher income taxes out of a larger paycheck.) And what Europeans keep in earned income they do not have to spend on healthcare or college or job training or numerous other expenses that are hardly optional but that we seem intent on celebrating our privilege to personally pay for.

If we pay roughly as much as Europeans in taxes, why do we have to pay for everything we need on our own, in addition? Why don't our taxes pay for our needs? The primary reason is that so much of our taxes goes to wars and the military. Recently much of it also goes to Wall Street and corporate bailouts. And this is not entirely new. In a given year, our government gives roughly $300 billion in tax breaks to businesses for their employee health benefits. That's enough to actually pay for everyone in this country to have healthcare, but it's just a fraction of what we dump into the for profit system that, as its name suggests, exists primarily to generate profits. Most of what we waste on this madness does not go through the government, a fact of which we are inordinately proud.

Europe is not perfection, and indeed has much to learn from us. Notably, we are ahead of Europe in confronting the endless menace of racism and nativism. Europe faces many dangers, but any lamented little steps its nations take in an American direction on taxes and benefits are relative to the great distance that separates us. Even were Europe to implode tomorrow, which seems far less likely than the United States doing so, it would have shown us the basic model for a more just and sustainable capitalist society in which wealth is more equitably distributed and most people are happier, less stressed, and less prone to severe frustration or violence.

The key to this, as Hill demonstrates, is a deeper and richer democracy in which workers share seats with owners on councils overseeing corporations, children's assemblies propose new laws to legislatures, everyone is automatically registered to vote, proportional representation allows more voices to be heard, free media is provided to campaigns (and newspapers and independent public media subsidized), and campaigns are financed by the public -- using some of those hated taxes that we prefer to bestow on weapons makers and bankers.

Of course, when I say "we prefer" I'm being tongue-in-cheek. The point is that Americans, in polls and surveys, would prefer to move much of our money from the military and bailouts to human needs. The problem is primarily that our views are not represented in our government, as this anecdote from "Europe's Promise" suggests:

"A few years ago, an American acquaintance of mine who lives in Sweden told me that he and his Swedish wife were in New York City and, quite by chance, ended up sharing a limousine to the theatre district with then-U.S. Senator John Breaux from Louisiana and his wife. Breaux, a conservative, anti-tax Democrat, asked my acquaintance about Sweden and swaggeringly commented about 'all those taxes the Swedes pay,' to which this American replied, 'The problem with Americans and their taxes is that we get nothing for them.' He then went on to tell Breaux about the comprehensive level of services and benefits that Swedes receive in return for their taxes. 'If Americans knew what Swedes receive for their taxes, we would probably riot," he told the senator. The rest of the ride to the theater district was unsurprisingly quiet."
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 01:56 PM
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1. the saddest part in this list of observations is
that our people, our democrats, our representatives and populists all got on the insurance bandwagon, instead of making it a public option first, and only.

But for the record I've said that from the very first nanosecond the ball was in play and have not budged a femtometer from that stance.

On the downside of this gloat I'd like to say we got what we voted for, but unfortunately that also indicts me.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 02:25 PM
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2. it doesn't include you if you're active
nobody ever gets anythign just by voting
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 02:28 PM
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3. The growing pains of going from a group of 'sibling' nations to a global community?
Pride of geography is used to create a rivalry that axiomatically pushes the us and them button. From there, it's about proving that our approach is superior by virtue of the fact it's ours, even and especially when it is not. Envy of the bringer could be at the heart of why mankind sees such a gap between what it is and what it can be.

Interesting post, tyvm
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 02:45 PM
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4. What is it you hope to accomplish David? I have read you for some time...
but still...I know you have done alot of activisim..but....what have you accomplished with all these actions the past several years...I will be back to read it later...

I am honestly curious, I am not being sarcastic or attempting to do anything other than find out, with all that you have done or that others say you have done, what have you accomplished?
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:13 PM
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5. this
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 06:10 PM
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8. bookmarking to view later, can't for the moment have the sound on..
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 12:42 AM
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13. I watched it not all because for some reason, the tape kept stopping...
Edited on Tue Jan-12-10 12:47 AM by AuntPatsy
I have to admit that I did learn somethings about being more active in our system that I was unaware of, I especially enjoyed how one was run out of town so I assume what your telling me is that you teach others some techniques that could be useful in attempting to gain some ground in taking back our government?

I am not sure that it is possible for the big players to be brought down, it is not the sided liners that need the real focus, they are as indispensable as we are ourselves though, there are many who could easily be replaced...

I have to admit one thing though, if DU is any indication how we would be able to work together in sinc enough to complete even one task, I am not so sure I have much faith that we will ever win our country back, even with your efforts you have many naysayers,

There is not much respect among many american citizens for each other...not that those in power have the respect needed to ensure complete obedience, but they don't need that respect, they use fear and threats in order to control their numbers..

we obviously cannot play by the same rules and win, we do not have near the resources those now in power have obtained...

the only thing we could use to ensure a group large enough to be considered a threat to those up high would be respect for each other and the few leaders that would be necessary as do soldiers in a unit and sadly, I fear that no one respects anyone enough these days to even begin such a huge undertaking..

all I see and hear on the streets and on the net is arguing and seemingly a need to be the best sarcastic voice out there, no one is honestly listening to those that should be heard, they are near to winning it all, they have ensured the masses are so at odds with each other that it almost seems like a fruitless endeavor to find a leader strong enough and respected enough to lead the people out of the coming bondage..

I have hope it can be done, I have little hope though that we the people can put down our swords against each other be they words or more long enough to form a strong enough resistance to the obvious taking over of our country as it now stands...

Too many people are informed and the same ones are just as uninformed...doesn't make for an easy win....
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:14 PM
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6. I can tell you something he has done - he's informed people
He's presented ideas and asked questions that spark debate. Now, that kind of accomplishment might not hold value with everyone and it might not be the kind of accomplishment you can drive or live in or point to and exclaim, "I built that" - but it is an accomplishment.

David Swanson is a doer and a thinker - unfortunately, thinking isn't exactly prized in America. He's written a book: "Daybreak: Undoing the Imperial Presidency and Forming a More Perfect Union" That is also an accomplishment - alas, it's an accomplishment that is filled with thinking and ideas and questions and ugly little facts.

Now, some people might not think his book is much of an accomplishment, but I'm betting their true complaint is with how and what David Swanson thinks.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 06:03 PM
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7. I prize critical thinking but sometimes it takes more than critical thinking to win against those
have us in their vice grips....

Thank you for not being snarky with my question, I honestly am not trying to belittle david in any way, I know he has put alot of hours into different forms of activism....

But here lately, I just wonder, is it enough? I mean, calling, writing, going door to door?

We have been on this yellow brick road for decades and still no sign of Oz, only more road blocks....

Sometimes it helps to stop, rest, rethink, regroup, in order to resolve yourself to the fact that we must begin again with something new?

Sad truth is they are still ahead, we might have gotten closer and with time clearly running out it is not close enough,

but it is a sure bet that their spotters are doing what they can to encourage us to take the detours instead of the same road they are traveling so that we never catch up, so perhaps we have to get rid of the spotters if we hope to make better headway?...
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 06:11 PM
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9. Swanson is one of those...
Nattering Nabobs Of Negativism...he always writes about problems but seldom comes up with any solutions.

Solutions are for others to figure out.

Eight years of his activism and he has yet to show a single success.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 12:57 AM
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14. Ever heard of "The Power of One"?
David Swanson continues to function as a good journalist. He is not just a keyboard warrior. He has physically put himself on the line more than once. And he, along with the rest of us, is playing in a stacked deck.

If solutions were easy, or even very possible in our current circumstances, David Swanson would likely be among our "saviors." An informed citizenry offers hope, and he's being informative.

Let him who is without his own solutions cast the first stone.

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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:55 AM
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15. Now that is just not fair.
David has been very successful at promoting the David Swanson brand, and in drawing attention to David Swanson's new book.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:23 PM
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17. David has the intellligence to write a book -- not to mention ...
... the many good articles he's posted at DU.

I met David Swanson for about five minutes once, when he was in Albuquerque working for the Kucinich Campaign. I'm old enough to be his mother, and I admire what this bright young man has done to try to shine light on the many, many problems we face as a nation.

When people dare to raise their heads above the madding crowd they are very often vilified by those who are far less worthy than themselves. Envy would be one reason for that, and the critical tone of this post suggests just such a thing.

I don't know a lot about David Swanson, but he has not exactly been sitting on his hands, lobbing Internet grenades at others. He's been in attendance at many events whose sole purpose is to try to save this country -- not make David Swanson rich and famous. Should he achieve those ends, they will be richly deserved. The man can think and he can write. I wish him every success.

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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 10:36 AM
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19. Everyone is entitled
to an opinion. Mine happens to be based on other facts and experiences than yours, and from a different venue than DU. I have no wish to offend anyone but, just like politicians, those who place themselves in the public arena are fair game for criticism of ALL of their actions.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 04:09 AM
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22. Everyone is entitled to take up pen and paper (metaphorically speaking) ...
... and write a book expressing personal views and discussions of actions taken, actions hoped for.

I'll be waiting breathlessly for yours. It can be an expose of David Swanson's secretive dark side. It might sell like hotcakes. Or you might get sued.

"The pen is mightier than the sword."
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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 05:46 AM
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23. LOL!
You win...;-)
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 10:39 AM
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20. The irony... it's dripping from your post...
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 06:18 PM
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10. No matter the circumstances, we need critical thinkers and we need more of them
Edited on Mon Jan-11-10 06:20 PM by Solly Mack
Words are often all it takes to lead to a movement - to be an instrument for change. Words give our ideas the body they need to reach others. But words need action as well. Ideas need to be put into play. David Swanson does put his words into action. He does act upon his beliefs.

Is it enough to call, write, go door to door? No...but those things still must be done. We also need to join with others who share our beliefs/goals and work toward the things we would like to see happen. Some ideas...some thinking...isn't popular...is sometimes very scary...may even be ahead of the times we live in...but that change will never come...that goal will never be reached...if we remain silent. A voice can move mountains when that voice inspires others.





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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 10:46 PM
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11. Awesome post.
All part of the "Great Risk Shift" Jacob Hacker writes about in the book of the same name. "Lower taxes", proportionately, are only for the rich. The middle/working/poor classes received pretty much zero benefit from the Bewsh tax cuts and the debt skyrocketed as a result.

Today we went to a benefits meeting, where they pushed the SHIT out of "HSA's". Naturally, I'm against them; not primarily because Bewsh shilled for them, but because making up such a high deductible from your own pocket seems like a sham when your insurance should be covering that for you. It's, again, RISK shifting. "WE'RE" in charge of our health care (crap benefits). "WE'RE" in charge of our retirement (no more pensions). "WE'RE" in charge of our college educations (tons more debt that you'll never be able to pay back). All of it comes at a giant cost almost insurmountable and improbable to save for every month.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 11:19 PM
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12. I heard you are quite a speaker, David.
Thanks for this.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 07:03 AM
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16. And now for something completely different
We're a scared nation that squanders its resources on useless defense boondoggles. Anyone who questions military spending gets hounded by the military industrial media complex that has seized power at the expense of living standards of the working class.
19 guys with box cutters led by a guy in a cave in Afghanistan brought this country to the brink of third world status.
We are where we are today because too many Americans are lazy cowards that shiver in fear over every bogyman our political leaders use to take our tax dollars and waste them on defense contractors that, in turn, make large campaign contributions (bribes).
We should have acted on Eisenhower's warning in 1961.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:26 PM
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18. I watched Russo's "Freedom to Fascism" again last night.
We're being had in so many ways I fear we will never find our way home. There have been many warnings. We are really good at ignoring them all!

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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 01:44 PM
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21. K&R. I agree.
Wish I'd figured out how to go live in Europe long ago, instead of hoping against hope for Democrats to step up and bring us FDR's Second Bill of Rights.
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