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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 07:17 AM
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The media is finally asking.. "Who is Liz Cheney and what has she done to get all this press?
Seriously.. what in the world is a Liz Cheney?

Besides being Darth Vadars daughter, what has she done, been, studied, to be consulted by major media outlets and programs as a "security" expert?

How far off the cliff has the media fallen to even begin to consider her on a panel..
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 07:21 AM
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1. Well, perhaps she read a book on safety? I hear if you read something
about a topic, or attend a seminar you are considered a expert. Now, I wish the credentials for being an expert were expected to be more, but from what I have heard recently that is all it takes....
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 07:21 AM
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2. Oops.... posted twice...
Edited on Tue Jan-12-10 07:22 AM by midnight
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 07:23 AM
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3. I read a book on car repair..but trust me, you would not want to drive a car I reparied!
;).. I get what you are saying, and that is what it looks like..

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 07:30 AM
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4. Like so many hard core GOPers...she is Nauseatingly Predictable
She is without Reason, Truth, and Clarity....

Her coimments SUCK
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 07:38 AM
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5. Beltway Circle Jerking...
The GOOP have mastered the ability to compromise and use the corporate media. They know the buttons to push, the moles to plant their talking points with and how to stroke the others. Thus their lies go unchecked no matter how outrageous they are. It's a byproduct of a media that is starstruck with their own "imporatnce". It's all about getting a byline or face time...and you get it by stirring the shit...spreading the bullshit or outright lying. The downsizing and cheapening of this media has led to most the networks bringing on the usual suspects...all secure in their egos and self importance that is a lot cheaper to program than doing the investigative work to fact check or question the bona fides of those making the claims.

Lizzard is using daddy's friends...the ones who covered up his war crimes and still must be intimidated by this evil family. Credibility means nothing as it's all about egos. Many know lizzard will lie, but it gets eyeballs and creates fodder that fills up the rest of their airtime. Don't expect it to end anytime soon. Lizzard will slither out with her lies...put up bogus web ads that are played ad nauseum for free...and if any dares to question her, they're obviously some liberal pinko.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:42 AM
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30. another DU'er quipped that Liz Cheney was like Coke Zero. Here's the quote-
Edited on Tue Jan-12-10 09:43 AM by KittyWampus
peekaloo

Corporations rely on brand names to sell product.

Think of her as the Coke Zero, if you will.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 07:59 AM
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6. she worked for USAID and the State Dept for years
she should know a bit.

She has also earned a law degree.

Sorry to post facts . . . .

I don't care for her one twit - but she has accomplished a bit.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 08:16 AM
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8. Those quals match the quals of thousands .... hundreds of thousands ..... more than just her.
But she has the teevee presence.

I get what you're saying.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 08:50 AM
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12. Those aren't qualifications to be a consulted expert on national security!!!
It's a complete and total genuflection to The Evil One to put her on national shows. It's kissing Satan's ring, so to speak.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:05 AM
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17. and what are those qualifications . . . .
So - 5 years at the State Department provide no experience in "security"????? Who knows if she is an expert - isn't that in the eyes of the beholder?

I don't like her either - but to say she has accomplished nothing and is not qualifed in anything is just silly.

In her defense, she did not pick her Father - she does choose to defend him - but who wouldn't do similarly.

I wish she would fade into the background - but this overreaction found here is just what the RWers want - a further thorn in our side.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:28 AM
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24. You could plop me at the helm of a nuclear submarine...
Edited on Tue Jan-12-10 09:30 AM by hlthe2b
if my Daddy were the Commander. I'd probably learn something over 4-5 years, but that would NOT make me a nuclear expert nor a nuclear engineer.

Working for the State Department hardly makes her a security expert. In fact, as I recall the position she held was created for her.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:35 AM
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26. DrDan, that is just ridiculous...
Edited on Tue Jan-12-10 09:36 AM by hlthe2b
I don't know what your specialty is or if you are a physician, but making the assumption, it would be like having the surgical nurse speak to the intricacies of a complex neurosurgery in lieu of any of hundreds of neurosurgeons or their residents, who have actually performed the procedure. Sure he or she has been in the OR and observed. Is she/he the expert? In Liz's case, she hasn't even had the experience but has only soaked up her father's opinions.


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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:38 AM
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27. no - not a physician - a technologist
but is the claim that she is THE expert - or an expert? If the latter - that claim can be legitamized with her State and USAID background -at least on the surface. Those are not small details and it is jsut silly to say she has NO qualifications.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:52 AM
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34. I have worked overseas considerably and have signficant
understanding of USAID as well as State Department workings as well as geopolitical issues in a number of regions of the world, at least ot some degree. However, to suggest working at these tangential agencies provide any experience or expertise on national security issues is ridiculous. They are not tasked with national security specifically, though given their mission, they obviously have a concern for same... Hillary Clinton is the Secretary of State and would thus be the person most likely at State to have such expertise (and I would argue that she does). But that expertise is not a function of her having worked at a low level created position at State Department, as would be the case with Liz Cheney.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:12 AM
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37. I also have considerable overseas experience - 4 years in the ME,
2 in Africa and 3 in Europe.

Who issued Visas for years (until very recently)?????? Dept of State. To say they have not expertise or role in national security is silly.

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:21 AM
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40. Depends on the job... They have a changing and at least
tangential role... To say that any State Dept. employee is an "EXPERT" on national security is ridiculous. The argument against State issuing visas post 911, which was a big damned deal in Congress a few years ago, is that their approach and policies with respect to visa issuance was NOT based on security as its first priority.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:27 AM
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43. "depends on the job" . . . . of course
there are security-related positions at Dept of State. There are more non-security related positions.

I am not claiming she is THE expert - or even AN expert. "Expert" after all is just in the eye of the beholder - not any certified position.

Any MSM news show - or entertainment show ala o'reilly or hannity can claim she is an expert. They can back that up by saying she has years of experience at the Dept of State and USAID. Until her actual job is outlined - that claim sounds valid as stated.

She did work there for years. That cannot be denied.

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:25 AM
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41. I too have considerable experience in the ME...
and while that gives me valuable perspective, I would never suggest that I am an EXPERT in national security... Just more knowledgeable than the average American. The American people deserve better than to have these propagandists pushed off on us as national security experts by our feeble media. I am really shocked that you would defend the practice
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:30 AM
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44. it is a practice that will never end
of course what they really want is the Cheney name. That is simply backed up by claims she is an expert based on her years of experience at State and USAID. Is it right? Of course not. BUT . . . it is true and will continue as long as we have interview shows on TV.

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DaveinJapan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:44 AM
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31. "she does choose to defend him - but who wouldn't do similarly"
Edited on Tue Jan-12-10 09:46 AM by DaveinJapan
Someone with a modicum of integrity, that's who.

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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:53 AM
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35. you would not defend your Father or Mother or spouse or child if they were attacked in the media
well - you are different than most imo
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 08:55 AM
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14. These facts are accompanied by nepetism...
Nothing else can account for her 15 minutes of fame. Consider others who have worked in the same capacity with far greater experience and expertise, and what remains is public relations that can only be influenced by Dick Cheney.

Open the phone book to the yellow pages and start reciting all the names with law degrees. Call us back in about 3 hours... and that's just YOUR phone book... :eyes:
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:08 AM
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19. of course that "Cheney" name gets her additional attention
no one denies that.

But it is just silly to deny she has accomplished nothing. Finishing Law School is an admirable accomplishment - one not to be denigrated.

I don't like her. She gives me the chills. But . . . lets not just start making up crap because we don't like her politics and lying.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:24 AM
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21. She was a legacy appointment at both--pure nepotism
That is NOT accomplishment
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:39 AM
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29. never said she earned the job - only that she held positions at both agencies
that cannot be denied.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:45 AM
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32. You said that gave her qualifications to speak on national
security... No one is denying her legacy appointments--just that these positions have no bearing on national security qualifications.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:47 AM
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33. What does that qualify her to comment on?
Foreign relations?

Her remarks seem to be Republican talking points any Republican knows.
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:00 AM
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36. She worked for both as a political appointee ...
from 1989 to 1993 while her father was Secretary of Defense, and again as a political appointee from 2002 for the Department of State while The Dick was the Shadow President, although she took a short break to help out with Big Daddy's campaign from 2003-2004.
Had Big Daddy not been in the picture, it is arguable as to whether she would have gotten where she is. But she is there now, unfortunately for us.
Here's the Wiki write-up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Cheney

**********
I literally abhor the woman and everything that she stands for. But she is at least as "qualified" as the Talking Heads that she appears with.




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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:16 AM
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39. fully agree
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 08:13 AM
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7. She's an expert in
Edited on Tue Jan-12-10 08:13 AM by lunatica
The Dick Cheney. She knows his undisclosed location. How many can say that?
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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 08:17 AM
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9. Yeah but....
do we have any examples of the media finally asking that??

I mean, besides our beloved nightime MSNBC crew?
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 08:20 AM
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10. which media? our beloved msm...dont think so..she'll be on until her father goes to jail
and with no investigations into his criminal behavior...she'll be on forever...doing her evil fathers bidding...its a family thing..could warm the heart..but doesn't
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 08:22 AM
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11. I call her "Mrs. Hanky."
Because she's a talking piece of shit.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 08:52 AM
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13. She stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 08:58 AM
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15. ABC's "This Week"
As if George Will isn't bad enough, seeing her on "This Week" makes me immediately turn the program off. There isn't a single thing she could possibly say that is worth listening to.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 08:58 AM
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16. Stellar giants, I tell ya. Wow... what women... right up there with Palin!
Fine examples of what our daughters should grow up NOT to be
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:06 AM
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18. what media is asking this? all of it, i hope.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:13 AM
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20. She's Dick Cheney's daughter--nothing more, nothing less.
Edited on Tue Jan-12-10 09:20 AM by rocktivity
She's his ultimate surrogate whose mission is to be the spoonful of sugar that helps his bad medicine go down.

According to this, her background is in international law and foreign policy, not homeland security.

:boring:
rocktivity
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:26 AM
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22. She spent a night at HOWARD JOHNSON????
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:27 AM
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23. She's the poster child for nepotism and the back-up singer for "Dickie and the Deferments."
That's about the extent of her credentials.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:33 AM
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25. Awww, that precious - the American free press is so cute when they're sleeping; like little angels
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:38 AM
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28. Who is asking?
Any specific example?
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:15 AM
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38. It must suck knowing you were brought into this world
as a draft deferment.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:26 AM
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42. She was a patrol in grade school--she even had a badge
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:41 AM
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45. She is an instigator and agitator....nothing more and nothing less.
She is not unlike many bullhorns in the public eye today. While maybe accomplished in some life endeavor, they have nothing more than perhaps a connection to someone notable, or made a momentary splash in the pool of 24/7 news. Liz Cheney has a big mouth and is not at all shy about uttering flamebait remarks that she knows will be picked up by the MSM. If she was anyone else but Dick Cheney's daughter, her remarks #1 would not even be heard, and #2 if heard would be ignored. But because she is who she is, her every word is repeated and broadcast to generate controversy and give all the talking heads something to talk about.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:43 AM
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46. She's part of the legacy of stupidity spin club.
she was born in it, lived off of it, and now feels this overwhelming need to benefit from it. Even though she has contributed nothing to it.

Please read my sig line. It explains it all.
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