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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:12 PM
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Haiti. Earthquake. 7.l
TV breaking news
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:12 PM
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1. Woah. Bad news. nt
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:12 PM
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2. god. like that country hasnt been thru enough.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:15 PM
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7. my first thought, too.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:13 PM
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3. A lot of earthquakes recently.
Starting to get worrisome.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:13 PM
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4. Global weather change
less ice on the crust. Yes, that is probably the explanation and not just me saying this.
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Retired AF Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:22 PM
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10. I doubt it
Most earthquakes are caused from pressure building up over hundreds or thousands of years.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:26 PM
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12. It is a MINOR effect, but terrain does rise
over thousands of years when the downward pressure from tons of ice goes down. I did not make this up.

See oh the CN Tower in oh Toronto. It's gone up by centimeters. That has geological effects. By the way, GEOLOGISTS have found a connection, here

http://www.livescience.com/environment/070830_gw_quakes.html

and here

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/09/07/guardian-global-warming-to-trigger-earthquakes-tsunamis-avalanches-and-volcanic-eruptions/

What is for debate is the EXTENT of the effect.

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:28 PM
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13. Less ice... near Haiti?
???
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:30 PM
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15. Global effect, sections of crust rise
and affect the rest of the world...

No, you do not need your actual piece of real estate to have ice to be affected.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:39 PM
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16. I know what isostatic rebound is, and its impact is almost entirely confined to...
...the immediate area of glaciation and a surrounding area of perhaps a few hundred miles. No geologist would suggest that an earthquake in Haiti was due in any way to isostatic rebound.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:54 PM
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19. I cited above some sources
they think it does have a MINOR effect... but enough to where they were concerned that major quake that led to that infamous tsunami is partly due to it.

Geologists are starting to see that things are far more connected.

Now the debate is... how minor of an effect, or whether it is a little larger than they originally believed, which is none whatsoever, me I think it will be, when the dust settles, no pun, a minor effect.

I see it more as the damn world is connected... and if you want to insert an allegory that works best in weather and the stock exchange... chaos theory. In this case the disappearance of ice (and pressure) on several regions of the world have changed the dynamics every so slightly. But that change can create some interesting effects. (The chaos theory on whether, the flutter of a butterfly on one side of the world has effects on the other)

But we are indeed seeing a cluster of more quakes... in this case, and I have no access to the data... and I do hope we are not going to see that... the volcanoes might be coming alive.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:14 PM
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5. 7.3 according to USGS
I have the e-quake on my firefox... I was wondering why the screen went NUTS
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:15 PM
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6. USGS: Magnitude 7.0 - HAITI REGION
Magnitude 7.0 - HAITI REGION

Earthquake Details
Magnitude 7.0
Date-Time

* Tuesday, January 12, 2010 at 21:53:09 UTC
* Tuesday, January 12, 2010 at 04:53:09 PM at epicenter

Location 18.451°N, 72.445°W
Depth 10 km (6.2 miles) set by location program
Region HAITI REGION
Distances

* 9 km (6 miles) SSW (197°) from Carrefour, Ouest, Haiti
* 16 km (10 miles) SW (227°) from PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti
* 18 km (11 miles) WSW (245°) from Pétionville, Ouest, Haiti

Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 8.3 km (5.2 miles); depth fixed by location program
Parameters NST=103, Nph=103, Dmin=365.7 km, Rmss=1.14 sec, Gp= 94°,
M-type=teleseismic moment magnitude (Mw), Version=7
Source

* U.S. Geological Survey, National Earthquake Information Center:
World Data Center for Seismology, Denver

Event ID us2010rja6

More:
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/us2010rja6.php

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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:16 PM
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8. Wow, that's a big one.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:16 PM
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9. Tsunami watch alerted
TSUNAMI MESSAGE NUMBER 1
NWS PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER EWA BEACH HI
2203 UTC TUE JAN 12 2010

THIS MESSAGE APPLIES TO COUNTRIES WITHIN AND BORDERING THE
CARIBBEAN SEA...EXCEPT FOR PUERTO RICO AND THE VIRGIN ISLANDS.

... A LOCAL TSUNAMI WATCH IS IN EFFECT ...

A TSUNAMI WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR

HAITI / CUBA / BAHAMAS / DOMINICAN REP

FOR OTHER AREAS OF THE CARIBBEAN COVERED BY THIS MESSAGE...IT IS
FOR INFORMATION ONLY AT THIS TIME.

THIS BULLETIN IS ISSUED AS ADVICE TO GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. ONLY
NATIONAL AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE
DECISIONS REGARDING THE OFFICIAL STATE OF ALERT IN THEIR AREA AND
ANY ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN IN RESPONSE.

AN EARTHQUAKE HAS OCCURRED WITH THESE PRELIMINARY PARAMETERS

ORIGIN TIME - 2153Z 12 JAN 2010
COORDINATES - 18.5 NORTH 72.5 WEST
LOCATION - HAITI REGION
MAGNITUDE - 7.3

EVALUATION

A DESTRUCTIVE WIDESPREAD TSUNAMI THREAT DOES NOT EXIST BASED ON
HISTORICAL EARTHQUAKE AND TSUNAMI DATA.

HOWEVER - THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF A LOCAL TSUNAMI THAT
COULD AFFECT COASTS LOCATED USUALLY NO MORE THAN A HUNDRED
KILOMETERS FROM THE EARTHQUAKE EPICENTER. AUTHORITIES FOR THE
REGION NEAR THE EPICENTER SHOULD BE AWARE OF THIS POSSIBILITY.
AREAS FURTHER FROM THE EPICENTER COULD EXPERIENCE SMALL SEA
LEVEL CHANGES AND STRONG OR UNUSUAL COASTAL CURRENTS.

ESTIMATED INITIAL TSUNAMI WAVE ARRIVAL TIMES AT FORECAST POINTS
WITHIN THE WARNING AND WATCH AREAS ARE GIVEN BELOW. ACTUAL
ARRIVAL TIMES MAY DIFFER AND THE INITIAL WAVE MAY NOT BE THE
LARGEST. A TSUNAMI IS A SERIES OF WAVES AND THE TIME BETWEEN
SUCCESSIVE WAVES CAN BE FIVE MINUTES TO ONE HOUR.

LOCATION FORECAST POINT COORDINATES ARRIVAL TIME
-------------------------------- ------------ ------------
HAITI JEREMIE 18.6N 74.1W 2224Z 12 JAN
PORT-AU-PRINCE 18.5N 72.4W 2229Z 12 JAN
CAP-HAITEN 19.8N 72.2W 2255Z 12 JAN
CUBA BARACOA 20.4N 74.5W 2249Z 12 JAN
BAHAMAS GREAT INAGUA 20.9N 73.7W 2246Z 12 JAN
DOMINICAN REP PUERTO PLATA 19.8N 70.7W 2304Z 12 JAN
SANTO DOMINGO 18.5N 69.9W 2337Z 12 JAN

ADDITIONAL BULLETINS WILL BE ISSUED BY THE PACIFIC TSUNAMI
WARNING CENTER FOR THIS EVENT AS MORE INFORMATION
BECOMES AVAILABLE.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 06:17 PM
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20. I read the TLA in the first part NWS as NorthWest Sector
I was wondering if my geography got even worse because I couldn't understand how an earthquake in Haiti would translate to a Tsunami warning on the Washington/Oregon/Californian coasts. Luckily I kept reading and remembered what NWS actually stands for. I hope and pray that few to no people were hurt in this and that no big tsunami comes.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:23 PM
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11. I knew Obama would find Bush's keys to the earthquake machine sooner or later. n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:29 PM
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14. RLOL, after last night's "discussion" this one is bringing a smile
to my face.

And for god sakes I trained to do confined space rescue after a quake, so this should not make me laugh

Reports have a hospital collapsing. Your and my taxes at work... wanna bet Virginia Beach Fire will leave within oh hours? (Or as soon as Haiti goes... HEEEELPPPP!!!!!)
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:42 PM
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17. I know it shouldn't be funny...
...but it's hard not to think of the Bush-caused-the-tsunami crowd whenever this happens.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 06:19 PM
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21. Don't feel bad about it
Humans do this to relieve the ouch. Gallows humor is definitely a human trait.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:43 PM
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18. 5.5 aftershock recorded
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 06:19 PM
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22. Geez, that's a substantial earthquake on its own
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