Stupid fucking racist asshat AZ legislator: Obama isn't a citizen and neither are Muslim Americans

[Hello_Kitty]

AZ lawmaker: Dump presidential candidates who can't prove citizenship from ballot

By Howard Fischer

Capitol Media Services

Tucson, Arizona | Published: 01.12.2010

PHOENIX — If President Barack Obama wants to run for reelection he would need to produce proof of both his U.S. birth and citizenship to get on the ballot in Arizona, if one state lawmaker gets her way.

Rep. Judy Burges, R-Skull Valley, is preparing a law to require anyone running for president or vice president to provide proof to the Arizona Secretary of State’s Office that they are legally eligible to seek the office. The U.S. Constitution requires the president — and, by extension, the vice president — to be “a natural born citizen.”

Burges would require the Secretary of State to verify that status independently.

“If it’s not certifiable, then that person’s name would not go on the ballot,” she said.
Burges said the measure is not necessarily about Obama, though she admitted she doubts he was born in Hawaii as he claims or that he can show he is a U.S. citizen.

“With what’s happening throughout the world, that we need to make sure that our candidates are certifiable,” she said.


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Jesus God. Just so you know, Arizona is known as the Alabama of the West.

[Solly Mack]

1. It hurts. It hurts.

[Odin2005]

2. The stupid, it BURNS!!!

[peacebird]

3. Obama's mom was an American citizen when he was born

therefore he is an American citizen. If your mother or father is an American citizen then you are by default. Why is this so hard to understand?

good grief....

[metalbot]

13. Actually that's not entirely true

The law was changed in 1986 to make it true, but only for people born after 1986.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law

For people born between 1952 and 1986, the laws are slightly different if the child is born outside of the US.

That being said, the "birthers" are still idiotic.

[14thColony]

27. As the poster above says, that actually wasn't the law in the 1960s

A child of an American citizen could in fact not be an American citizen. Even now it's no guarrantee if the American parent wasn't born in the US himself/herself, or did not reside in the US for the right number of years at the right age. My girlfriend's nephews can't inherit their father's American citizenship because even though he has citizenship from birth, it was inherited from his father -- he doesn't have the 'independent' citizenship he would have had had he been born in the US, and this form can't be passed down to his children.

Even my daughters, who were both born in the US, run the risk of not being able to bequeath US citizenship to their children (should they have any) under even the CURRENT law, since neither have lived in the US for the right number of years past the right age. As it stand now, if either of them have children those children will not be citizens of the US by birth.

It gets complicated.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. "We need to make sure that our candidates are certifiable”?

Oh, I think I already know who's certifiable.

[abelenkpe]

5. +1 nt

[Hello_Kitty]

7. For reals. eom

[dflprincess]

19. You are just too clever!

[drm604]

20. You beat me to it.

That sentence stood out to me also.

[tango-tee]

23. You beat me to it.

That's exactly what I was thinking. There seems to be a never-ending supply of stupid, doesn't it?

[blondeatlast]

31. No kidding--and that applies to a whole crowd of our state leggies. nt

[Bill219]

6. we need to make sure that our candidates are certifiable

That woman sounds certifiable alright...

a certifiable racist

[Hello_Kitty]

16. Most of our GOP legislators are as bone stupid and evil as she is.

This is a beautiful state and they are ruining it. :cry:

[blondeatlast]

33. Sometimes I think we deserve the public humiliation. I've lived here almost

35 years, and I've seen it go from a state full of promise to well, yeah, a wanna-be Alabama.

And really--I blame 96% of it on the state legislature (and the power SOME of the rural areas hold in it).

[Hello_Kitty]

47. I blame the voters who put these evil stupid assholes into office.

They bought the "low taxes, small government, Famblee Values" canard hook, line, and sinker. And they, and we, are sinking under it.

[rurallib]

8. McCain was born in Panama, Ms. Burges.

[Skittles]

9. pitiful

[muntrv]

10. So Burges believes Orly Tait's Kenyan birth certificate? What a shocker!

[bullwinkle428]

11. "Skull Valley"? More like "Skull Empty"!

Their candidates are "certifiable", alright!

[theoldman]

12. To the best of my knowledge that has always been the rule.

There is no need for a state to duplicate an existing law. I doubt that Arizona can make any law on who can be president and who can't. The supreme court will not allow it.

[47of74]

14. Yo, Mr. Burges

[muntrv]

15. Hey Judy! Choke on this one!

http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

And this one!
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/16/rove-attacks-bowing/

[marybourg]

17. Irrelevant. States can't impose restrictions on federal candidates.

Only the U.S. Constitution can mandate qualifications for federal candidates. And the Supremacy Clause, article VI, paragraph 2, guarantees that. Another bill being presented in our wingnut legislature is intended to "protect" Arizonians from federal healthcare reform. Comic relief; the only kind of relief we get.

[Hello_Kitty]

18. Because Jeebus knows they are incapable of dealing with our budget disaster.

Brewer used her State of the State as a stump speech for her campaign.

Seriously, if these boneheads get reelected in November, my bf and I have decided we are leaving.

[blondeatlast]

34. Every pubble uses their office to continue their campaign. Cripes, have

you seen the Superintendent of School's site and some of the "informational" flyers he puts out?

[Hello_Kitty]

43. Yup. Candy Andy does it too.

Tax payer dollars funding their campaigns but they scream holy hell if Terry Goddard makes an appearance anywhere.

[jberryhill]

22. States select electors and determine ballot access

Roger Calero, the Socialist Worker's Party candidate for president was indeed disallowed from the ballot in several states because he was not born a US citizen.

Mr. Obama, of course, was born in Hawaii, so there was no problem.

The only reason the campaign published a birth certificate was due to unfounded questions about his name.

[14thColony]

30. Granted, but..

Is it not so that states can exert controls over who does or does not appear on the state's ballot, even for a national election? Otherwise all qualified candidates would automatically be on all ballots in all states, which I know has not always happened.

[jberryhill]

39. The Constitution Assigns To States The Job Of Choosing Electors

Ballot access can be challenged on Constitutional grounds, but it is part of the intentional design that the federal government does not determine whom states may put on their ballot.

[Unvanguard]

35. Yes, they can. No reason why not.

State legislatures are pretty much allowed free reign to decide how their electors should be chosen. They run even federal elections; that's why there are so many different voting methods, and why the Voting Rights Act is getting constitutionally challenged.

[gateley]

21. She doesn't care about others being certifiable, she only cares about the Black guy. nt

[krabigirl]

24. Wow. I'm speechless.

[grantcart]

25. Because of the large number of people moving in from outside of California

most observers believe that AZ is either now ready to vote blue or will the next Presidential election.

AZ pollsters believed that had McCain not been on the ticket that they would have voted for Obama.

http://linknzona.blogspot.com/2007/05/arizona-is-fast-becoming-blue-state.html

[Hello_Kitty]

26. Unfortunately, many of those CA emigres are conservative.

They like the low property taxes and are largely oblivious to the state of our schools and the reactionary nature of our elected officials. Here in Maricopa County, Sheriff Joe Arpaio enjoys high approval ratings, despite the fact that he's a megalomaniacal fascist thug.

As for 2008, I suspect that Prop 102 (our version of Prop 8) had as much to do with high Republican turnout as McCain. GOP voters were not that excited about McCain, but the marriage nazis were running ads here non-stop. Didn't help that certain DEMS were supporting it in public too.

[blondeatlast]

40. The pubbles use the props as GOTV tools. I always laugh when I hear

someone say props are "grassroots efforts."

[Hello_Kitty]

45. 90% of them are from out-of-state and funded by big biz.

I support the concept of citizen's initiatives and there have been some good and truly grass-roots ones (like the minimum wage increase and First Things First) but the process needs to be reformed. The first thing I would do is ban paid signature gatherers. If you can't get enough volunteers to get the signatures then you don't have enough grassroots support for your initiative.

[Hello_Kitty]

46. 90% of them are from out-of-state and funded by big biz.

I support the concept of citizen's initiatives and there have been some good and truly grass-roots ones (like the minimum wage increase and First Things First) but the process needs to be reformed. The first thing I would do is ban paid signature gatherers. If you can't get enough volunteers to get the signatures then you don't have enough grassroots support for your initiative.

[Cairycat]

28. Don't forget about Democratic-leaning Midwesterners

moving to AZ and making it bluer.

[14thColony]

29. OK, I was grudgingly willing to go along with her thought process at first

Seemed a fine idea to certify that each candidtate was indeed qualified to run for the office of president before they were put on the AZ ballot, except for that nasty "natural-born" thing again, in that the constitution does not define what "natural-born" means. But then I hit the real clincher:

"Burges’ bill, if it becomes law, would put the Secretary of State in the position of having to determine whether the individual circumstances of a candidate’s life disqualify him or her from being on the Arizona ballot."

I get the idea from the context of the preceding paragraph, but this seems too close to almost being a loyalty test to me. I'm willing to bet she wouldn't want a Muslim candidate certified even if she/he was born on the 4th of July in Independence Hall, and was 10th generation American.

Methinks Burges suffers from a bad case of being an idiot.

[jberryhill]

41. Here's how it would play out....

If a candidate was excluded from the ballot due to an incorrect determination of NBC status, then the campaign would make a federal challenge.

Ballot access challenges are routine.

States can make these decisions in the first instance, however - e.g. Roger Calero, excluded in several states during the last election for not having been born a US citizen.

[BolivarianHero]

32. Arizona? Really?

I always though Utah was the Alabama of the West.

[blondeatlast]

38. Say what you will, Mormons are generally well-educated. AZ's state leggies are

not only rife with rubes, many are, well, as Ms. Burges said, certifiable.

I only wish I were joking...

[fascisthunter]

36. really stupid

[laughingliberal]

37. Words fail me. Between the stupidity and the dishonest in politics we don't have a chance. nt

[Better Believe It]

42. "we need to make sure that our candidates are certifiable,” she said. Palin is certifiably nuts!

[Initech]

44. Argh, will the fucking birther story ever die?????

:banghead:

[rutherford behaves]

48. +1