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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:01 AM
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Guess the econ stat - No cheating!
No looking it up now folks.

The total US debt is give or take $12.3T


How much of that is held by China?
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:02 AM
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1. 30 T?
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:03 AM
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2. Econ Reality
When you owe the bank $100,000 the bank owns you.
When you owe the bank $100,000,000,000 you own the bank.
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tmyers09 Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:03 AM
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3. I'm gonna guess about 5.
The rest is from boneheaded spending on war.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:04 AM
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4. I'm gonna guess 9.
Edited on Fri Jan-15-10 09:06 AM by Robb
Edited to add: Wow, I looked it up. Excellent OP.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:15 AM
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5. about $2T
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:29 AM
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6. Without Looking
I would guess $3-4T.

Most of the debt is held domestically. Britian and Japan are other large holders.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:33 AM
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7. Bonus points for getting the dom/for split but no cigar on China
To give pending guessers an advantage, about 40% of the debt is owned by our own government. Yep - at least $4T is the government in debt to itself. Investors want safe returns - traditionally T-bills. These investors include Social Security etc fund managers.

Less than a third of the debt is owned by foreign entities of any kind.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:37 AM
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8. I like this question ...

It and the common answers are illustrative of several things.

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:51 AM
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9. Less than a trillion.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:54 AM
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10. Yep. Larry Wilkerson did a speech covered by TheRealNews....
You know who holds the lion's share of the debt? Japanese housewives.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:59 AM
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12. Well not really
Until a couple of years ago Japan was indeed the biggest foreign debt owner but it was still in the $700B range. It's #2 now with the UK just behind in 3rd.

The biggest owner of US debt at a chunk over $4T is the US government (socsec and so on), but outside that it's institutional investors in the US like pension schemes, insurers and so on.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 10:00 AM
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13. American debt: the new Tamagocchi!
It must be nurtured!
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 09:55 AM
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11. We have a winner.
Albeit a tad unspecific, but hey I asked for guesses.

As of last month it's just a shade under $800B.

We could pay off our entire Chinese debt for the cost of the TARP program.

And yet I read time and again how China owns us and how we would collapse if China "calls in" their debt.


Follow up Q if anybody cares to keep playing. How much of our imports come from China as a percentage?
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