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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 10:12 AM
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Conservative Alert- Attempt to Kill the HCR Bill
Got this early today in my in box. That they are still referring to this as "socialized Health Care" is baffling.

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Socialized Health Care Can STILL Be Stopped -- Click Below to Tell Congress to VOTE NO on ObamaCare:
https://secure.conservativedonations.com/rm_obamacare/?a=3500

ALERT: I'm sure you know that the U.S. Senate passed its version of socialized health care -- better known as "ObamaCare" -- in last-minute votes, in the dead of night, right before the Christmas holiday.

BUT -- did you know that, thanks to a parliamentary maneuver by Senate Republicans just before the recess... ObamaCare could be dead on arrival in the U.S. House of Representatives?

IT'S TRUE -- but WE have to make sure that it DOES die!
TELL CONGRESS TO REJECT SOCIALIZED HEALTH
CARE -- BETTER KNOWN AS "OBAMACARE":
SEND YOUR FAXES NOW!

After Sen. Harry Reid was able to bribe and cajole 60 Democrat and Independent Senators to vote for "cloture" and pass the Senate version of ObamaCare, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) engineered an "objection to the appointment of the conferees". What that means is this: The U.S. Constitution, in Article I, Section 7.2, specifies that every bill has to pass both houses of Congress before it can be signed into law. However, it has to be the exact same bill that passes. That usually means that, when a bill is amended in one house (like the Senate amended the House bill, in order to get the 60 votes needed to pass it), a "conference committee" is appointed with members of both houses to "iron out" the differences, and then each house votes on the final compromise bill with no amendments allowed.

That's what usually happens... BUT NOT THIS TIME!

THIS TIME, Republican Leader McConnell (at the behest of Sen. DeMint) actually objected to the appointment of the conferees -- something that's almost never done. That means that the Senate ObamaCare bill must be amended on the House floor to gain the votes they need to pass it on the House floor. And because of Sen. DeMint's objection to the appointment of the conferees, there will be no conference, or conference report. Democrats can resort to a fallback: they can propose a motion to appoint conferees, but that motion is subject to filibuster. It would likely require three separate cloture votes just to pass the motion to appoint conferees! So -- the Senate bill goes back to the House, which will have to debate it all over again... including amending it.

If the House amends the Senate bill, they then have to send the amended bill back to the Senate -- where all the 60 vote margin cloture votes still apply -- cloture on the motion to proceed, cloture to end the filibuster, and cloture on any amendment.

And you can bet that the House WILL amend the Senate bill. There are PLENTY of disagreements among Democrats in the House over Harry Reid's compromise bill, in areas like abortion, the public option, illegal immigrant coverage, taxation of union health care plans, and the degree of subsidy available for purchase of health care. Any ONE of these can SINK Obamacare!

On abortion, the Senate bill contains massive abortion funding by virtue of the Nelson-Reid abortion language in the bill that allows states to force taxpayers to fund abortions with government funds. It also contains the Mikulski amendment, which would allow the Obama administration to define abortion as "preventative care" and force insurance companies to use taxpayers' premiums to pay for them. The House initially approved its bill on a three-vote margin only because it contained the Stupak amendment to ban abortion funding. Now, with the Senate's Nelson-Reid language and Mikulski amendment in place, a group of 10-12 pro-life Democrats led by Rep. Bart Stupak of Michigan may very well REVOLT on supporting the bill, unless the Stupak amendment is added to the Senate version of the legislation. And if the Stupak amendment is added, that would probably prompt some pro-abortion Democrats to vote against the bill. RESULT: OBAMACARE DIES.

On the issue of having a "public option" completely run by the government, there are a BUNCH of hard-core leftist Democrats in the House who have pledged to vote AGAINST any healthcare bill that doesn't include that public option -- which the Senate bill doesn't. The leftists themselves count SIXTEEN Members -- and the House bill only won by a margin of TWO VOTES last time. In order to pass the bill, it will have to be amended to include a public option -- but several Democrat Senators said they will vote AGAINST any bill that includes a public option -- and the Senate bill only won by ONE VOTE last time. RESULT: OBAMACARE DIES.

Leftist Democrats are also starting to balk at the idea that, in the Senate bill, millions of Americans will be forced into private insurance company plans, which will be subsidized by taxpayers. They see that alternative will do almost nothing to "reform health care" but will be a windfall for insurance companies -- and they HATE that.

Another real sticking point in this bill that can help us to KILL IT is a big one: ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, and whether illegals should be covered. The final Senate bill prohibits any unauthorized immigrants from purchasing private health-care plans on the insurance exchange, whereas the House bill would allow them to buy private insurance but prohibits them from receiving any government subsidies to do so. When the White House tried to pressure the House to change its immigration provisions to resemble the Senate bill, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus revolted and threatened to vote against the legislation. While they managed to secure a victory at the time, the Senate put the prohibition back in -- which can KILL it in the House. If the House amends it and puts it back in, it will KILL it in the Senate. RESULT: OBAMACARE DIES.

GET IT? We can WIN this fight! With Senate Republicans now forcing Democrats to "ping-pong" the Obamacare bill back and forth between the two Houses, we can capitalize on the divisions within the Democrat Party itself! If we can STOP Reid and Pelosi from getting enough votes in either House -- that means THE BILL WOULD DIE!

We CAN still win, by keeping the Democrats from getting the votes they need to pass Obamacare... but we can't do it without YOUR help!
TELL CONGRESS TO REJECT SOCIALIZED HEALTH
CARE -- BETTER KNOWN AS "OBAMACARE":
SEND YOUR FAXES NOW!

TAKE ACTION: We don't have much time before the liberal Democrat leaders in the House and Senate begin their backroom deal-making to work all of their deals and compromises, in hopes of getting enough votes to pass Obamacare. We have to start NOW in letting ALL of these people who are supposed to be representing US in Washington, that we are NOT going to put up with this -- and that they MUST LISTEN TO US and KILL THE BILL!

DO NOT GET DISCOURAGED -- remember that the majority of the American people are WITH US. With every passing day, more and more citizens -- left AND right -- are expressing their opposition and outrage over this monstrous bill. And remember, Obama, Pelosi and Reid wanted to pass Obamacare months ago. Thanks to YOUR efforts, we've been able to STOP that from happening -- WE CAN'T GIVE UP NOW!

We CANNOT let the radical liberals in Congress -- and the White House -- force this plan for socialized health care on the American people! That's why we've set up our website to enable you to send a strong message to every single member of the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives, OPPOSING this outrageous plan.

For about what it would cost you in time and telephone charges, you can send Blast Faxes to Democrats, Republicans, Independents -- EVERYONE in BOTH houses of Congress, DEMANDING that they REJECT this socialized health care plan NOW!
TELL CONGRESS TO REJECT SOCIALIZED HEALTH
CARE -- BETTER KNOWN AS "OBAMACARE":
SEND YOUR FAXES NOW!

This fight CAN BE WON! Please, take action right away to STOP this bill in the U.S. Congress!

Sincerely,

William Greene, President
RightMarch.com PAC

P.S. Congress is set to be back in session this coming week. Even before that, though, leaders in the House and Senate have been planning closed-door backroom meetings to negotiate all of their "deals" to try and get this thing passed.

Barack Obama promised repeatedly that ALL negotiations for a healthcare plan would be broadcast on C-SPAN (which they are now offering to do) -- but, like so many of his promises, it was all a LIE. (Nancy Pelosi and her cronies even laughed at a reporter's suggestion that they should stick to Obama's campaign promises!) From the "Cash for Cloture" deals in the Senate, to these backroom deals in the House, the liberal leadership has been exposed for its duplicity. NOW is the time for us to capitalize on this exposure, and STOP the Obamacare bill...

BUT WE CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT YOU!

Send your faxes right away to make sure every single Senator and Representative gets a STRONG message, to REJECT the socialized plan of "Obamacare" NOW -- Thank you!
TELL CONGRESS TO REJECT SOCIALIZED HEALTH
CARE -- BETTER KNOWN AS "OBAMACARE":
SEND YOUR FAXES NOW!

As always, you can also send a FREE message directly to your Senators by clicking here. Thank you.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 10:29 AM
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1. Jesus H Christ...
Edited on Fri Jan-15-10 10:40 AM by YOY
I'm no fan of that dog of a bill...but I have a feeling they will be politicizing it as NAFTA 2 after it passes and is recognized for the steaming pantload that it is.

"See? We were against it!" They'll crow...and their senators were just doing shadow puppet theater knowing full well that their vote against might as well be for.
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 11:16 AM
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3. This is largely a GOP bill without any of the CONs
supporting it. Dems gave them what they wanted, a repuke Health Insurance Bill. They will all oppose it, even though they are really for it, all in the hopes of scoring points with the public and gaining more seats so they can do more damage. Our mistake was positioning everything right of center. If we're going down for HCR, then we should go all in. Go for broke.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 07:12 PM
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5. Yep, it's lose/lose. Totally responsible for a bill that nobody likes and will hurt them
politically. It doesn't make any sense.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:59 AM
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7. Spot on. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 11:04 AM
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2. The GOP sure know how to exercise OPPOSITION
Imagine if the Dems could fight like this?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 07:03 PM
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4. I'm sure the Dem. leadership MUST know about this...
don't ya think? If they didn't, they must've seen this e-mail.
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:16 AM
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6. yes, but this wasn't posted for them
It was posted for people here to have some information about the other side. I'm not a Washington insider. I don't know stuff like this. It gives me and hopefully others a more complete picture of how things are done, or I should say, how the game is played.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 09:00 AM
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8. What ignorant people. This is a bill so bad that if it was proposed
by Republicans, Democrats would be up in arms. Socialized medicine my ass.
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