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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:58 AM
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Labor unions have agreed to such a massive cut in their own members' benefits
http://prorev.com/2010/01/obama-and-labor-agrees-on-huge-tax-for.html
In what may be the first time that labor unions have agreed to such a massive cut in their own members' benefits, Obama and the union chiefs have agreed to institute a less drastic version of the spuriously named "Cadillac health plan" excise tax.

According to the NY Times:

“Under the bill passed last month by the Senate, the federal government would have imposed a 40 percent tax on the value of employer-sponsored health coverage exceeding $8,500 a year for an individual and $23,000 for a family. The tax would have taken effect in 2013. White House officials, Democratic Congressional leaders and labor unions said Thursday that they had agreed to an increase in those thresholds to $8,900 for an individual and $24,000 for a family. Moreover, they said, starting in 2015, the cost of separate coverage for dental and vision care would be excluded from the calculations.

In addition, they said, health plans covering state and local government employees and collectively bargained health plans would be exempt from the tax until 2018. This transition period addresses the concerns of schoolteachers and other public employees who have denounced the tax.

For people in certain high-risk occupations, including police officers and construction workers, thresholds would be higher: as high as $27,000 for a family. “


People using these plans - including many working class families - would be hit with a $5 billion annual additional bill.

This 40% excise tax will be higher than the top federal income tax bracket which is 35% for income over $372,950.

As for the "Cadillac" libel, the NY Times put that to rest last September:

“The supposedly Cadillac insurance policies include ones that cover many of the nation's firefighters and coal miners, older employees at small businesses - a whole gamut that runs from union shops to Main Street entrepreneurs.

Although the national average premium is currently $13,375 for a family policy, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, many are much higher than that - particularly in high-cost parts of the country.

Nationwide, about one in 10 family insurance plans would be subject to the new excise tax, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal-leaning policy and research group.

The tax would be levied on insurers - or on employers that act as their own insurers. Either way, the tax would very likely be passed along to workers in even higher premiums than they pay now. But if insurance premiums continue to rise faster than inflation, as they have for years, many more people's policies could end up setting off the luxury tax in coming years. “


Note also that "health plans covering state and local government employees and collectively bargained health plans would be exempt from the tax until 2018."

That allows eight years for inflation in healthcare costs to dump many more people into the exorbitant excise tax category.

In other words, Obama, the Democrats and labor union leaders are conspiring to hit many working class workers - and many more in years to come - with an excessive tax bite and the media isn't saying a mumbln' word.

But the corrupt nature of the measure doesn't end there. Increasingly, Congress and the White House have been writing legislation that won't go into effect for some years to come. For example, the Obama 40% excise tax on worker health plans over a certain size won't be effective for many until 2018. Obama, even if he's reelected would be two years gone, many congressional leaders would have retired, and the media will have totally forgotten the cause of the misery.

While it might be difficult to get the Supreme Court to rule that effectively co-opting a future president's and Congress' right to pass legislation during their tenure was unconstitutional, by any common sense rule, it is. The president and Congress are in office for their terms. . . and absent reelection, that doesn't include 2018. While future officer holders can, of course, change such legislation, it is already clear from current examples that they are unlikely to do so.

It can also be argued that this assault affects only a small number of people. But if it works on them, there is no reason something similar might not work someday on you. You have been warned.



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ice window Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:04 AM
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1. Where is the "cut"? They are exempt until 2018 and even then they will get a pass.
Somebody has to make up the shortfall on this exemption for unions & gov employees and it better not be the rest of us...
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:10 AM
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3. Didn't you read the part about health care inflation between now and then? n/t
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:11 AM
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4. Why aren't you unionized friend?
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:07 AM
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2. It's easier to attack these health insurance plans than to impose a tax increase on the top 1%.
Unlike the top 1%, firefighters and school teachers don't usually have million-dollar lobbyists and high-powered attorneys to write legislation for them. In America, the Golden Rule is simple: He who has the gold, makes the rules.
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WVRICK13 Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:13 AM
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5. The Corporate Party
is winning again. We do not have a democracy, we have Corprocracy. If this passes I wonder who will file the first legal challenge.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:15 AM
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:23 AM
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8. Time once again for the "L" curve..
Edited on Sat Jan-16-10 08:24 AM by Fumesucker
A stack of hundred dollar bills 30 miles high..

http://www.lcurve.org/

The US population is represented along the length of the football field, arranged in order of income.

Median US family income (the family at the 50 yard line) is ~$40,000 (a stack of $100 bills 1.6 inches high.)

--The family on the 95 yard line earns about $100,000 per year, a stack of $100 bills about 4 inches high.

--At the 99 yard line the income is about $300,000, a stack of $100 bills about a foot high.

--The curve reaches $1 million (a 40 inch high stack of $100 bills) one foot from the goal line.

--From there it keeps going up...it goes up 50 km (~30 miles) on this scale!


Edited to add: And by the way, welcome to DU..

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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 09:25 AM
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11. It can bring in as much as we need.
Edited on Sat Jan-16-10 09:25 AM by Edweird
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:14 AM
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6. Unions don't have a majority in Congress
Edited on Sat Jan-16-10 08:57 AM by Tom Rinaldo
Democrats do. They don't have the votes but they did force a partial roll back from the Senate version, and not one other "liberal interest group" seems able to accomplish even that on any of the key differences between the House and Senate versions.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:51 AM
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10. True, but the Democratic Party that I want to vote for supports labor.
I hardly recognize the Democratic Party we have now.

:dem:

-Laelth
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:49 AM
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9. k&r for labor, even when their leaders are victims of massive arm-twisting. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 11:05 AM
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12. The AMT was also supposed to only affect a small number of people
Now a good chunk of this country has to do its taxes by two different methods and give .gov whichever figure is higher.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:43 PM
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13. That's because of inflation
The same would apply to a health care benefits tax.
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