Who do you want to win Tuesday? Brown (R) or Coakley (D)?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

The polling feature is under-used on DU, IMO.

No point arguing/speculating/theorizing about what "DU thinks" when there's a way to check.

(Speaking for myself, I have issues with the HCR bill but very much want Coakley to win... the two are not mutually exclusive, IMO.)


Who do you want to win Tuesday's Massachusetts US Senate election? Brown (R) or Coakley (D)?

[hlthe2b]

1. I can not even believe this is an issue on DU, much less a poll

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

5. The poll is to demonstrate that it is not an issue on DU

There are a bunch of posts claiming that DU is anti-Dem, wants Coakley to lose, etc.

Such hyperbole is foolish, of course. Taking a tiny minority and complaining that it typifies DU is argumentative nonsense.

And the poll amply demonstrates that DU is not split on this question in any meaningful way.

[KittyWampus]

8. Stop pretending there isn't a dedicated contingent on this site who do everything they can

to stir up hate against Democrats and Obama.

And there are plenty happy to use Coakley's supposed slip in the polls as PROOF Democrats deserve to lose.

Your stupid polls proves nothing.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

18. Your statement

would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic. Fucking conspiracy minded bullshit.

[hlthe2b]

11. I am not sure how it will put that to rest...

a handful of DUers will vote in the poll but many more will post on threads or even start threads that suggest intent to defeat Coakley... I have no idea how many are intentionally trying to disrupt and how many may misguidedly believe they are right--in terms of changing the direction of the Democratic Party... :shrug:

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

16. My broader point is that posts are not representative of group attitude

Some people post constantly and create an impression that a quirky individual view is widespread.

But just because one person says something 100 times doesn't mean much, on any side of a question.

I don't like the many claims (mostly in another forum) that "liberals" or "progressives" want Coakley to lose. It's nasty.

And a poll, for all its limitations, is an east way to demonstrate that very few people are expressing such a loony opinion. Many more people register opinions in polls than in posts and replies.

One can speculate about what people think but do not express, but that's folly on the internet.

[woo me with science]

2. Tombstoning made easy! nt

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[Kurt_and_Hunter]

7. How stupid are you? Seriously...

The poll is to demonstrate that the "DU hates Coakley" thing is crap.

I want Coakley to win. DU wants Coakley to win. Anyone here wanting Brown to win is in a tiny minority.

Te folks crying about how DU wants Coakley to lose are grossly exaggerating, which is the point of the poll.

Keep your tombstone fantasies to yourself.

[KittyWampus]

9. stupid is pretending DU doesn't have a loud group of posters who slam any Democrat they can

and are happy saying "Coakley deserves to lose" cause those DLC'ers suck.

Stupid is also ignoring the many DU'ers doing everything they can to demoralize Democrats.

[PassingFair]

22. No one is saying "Coakley deserves to lose".

Almost everyone is saying "if she does,
it will be because we ran a corporate
controlled stooge because the Clintons
owed her one".

Not. Our. Fault.

[drm604]

10. I think you misunderstood.

I think you're misunderstanding the people who are talking about tombstoning. They can speak for themselves of course, but I don't think they were talking about tombstoning you. I think their point was that the mods can see how individuals voted and that the Brown voters are setting themselves up to be tombstoned.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

13. I understood that. (My reply was to the specific call that I be tombstoned.)

The anger some people feel over questions they think ought not be asked puzzles me... I have noticed that some folks get upset by polls because they assume that offering the "wrong" answer as a poll option is advocacy of that answer.

:shrug:

I wish the mods hadn't announced (some time back) that they can see who votes how in polls... it undercuts the utility of the polling function.

But it's all we've got... I don't know of a better way of demonstrating that DU does not want Brown to win, which has become a stock implication or even overt line of argument in some quarters.

[ruggerson]

14. Read it again

"Delivering K&H a pizza..."

K&H means Kurt and Hunter.

Not cool at all. They're attacking Kurt and Hunter for defending Coakley.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

17. I would say I am being attacked for "pretending" to support Coakley...

As you know all to well, what we say or do is nothing in the face of what some *know* we must really think.

This poll is in response to the "I hate liberals" and "progressives are left-baggers" threads bravely assailing the straw-man of widespread DU support for Brown.

[sendero]

4. As completely dissillusioned as I am...

.. with the Obama administration, losing this seat would be a disaster.

There is always hope for a change of course, but once certain corners have been turned it is over baby.

[WeDidIt]

6. Wow, the three assholes who voted (R) must not know the Admins can see who voted how

I hope they like their pizza.

[Parker CA]

21. Make that six now. We'll need an x-tra large pie.

[laughingliberal]

12. Coakley. Hope they pull it out, there

I don't care much for the HCR bill but some of the progressive parts of the House bill seem to be making it into the final bill (won't know for sure til it's scored). That odious excise tax got scaled back quite a bit. The President was supporting a national exchange and he has said he wants the time biotech firms have exclusivity decreased by 2 years. Apparently pissed Billy Bling Tauzin. Anything that Tauzin doesn't like is good by me.

Outside of HCR, losing this Senate seat will shut down the President's agenda for a long time to come. As much as I have hated the move to the right Obama has made these past months.I think there is still time to push the administration to the left and, I believe, we have seen some movement that direction the past week. If nothing else, someone seems to have muzzled Rahm's infamous insulting of the left the past few days.

Article posted on DU today from WaPo shows federal regulators are considering measures to limit excessive speculation on oil and other energy commodities. If they do it this is certainly a move we would not see with Republicans back in charge.

edited typo

[SidDithers]

15. Those voting for Brown in this poll need to be pizza'd...nt

Sid

[Maru Kitteh]

24. Yup.

[TexasObserver]

19. Thanks. Your poll is proving DU supports Coakley.

It's also proving very few at DU really want the GOP to win that seat, and their tiny numbers suggest maybe they aren't Democrats at all. Maybe they're Naderites, or maybe they're Republicans.

If your point is that DU does support Coakley, you appear to have proven it.

[PassingFair]

23. Um...that WAS the point. n/t

[TexasObserver]

25. And, that was my point, if that was unclear.

I wrote it as I did to support the OP.

[PassingFair]

27. .

:thumbsup:

[bvar22]

20. As much as I would like to see the current....

...Corporate Giveaway masquerading as "Reform" go down in flames, losing this seat to a Republican is unpalatable.
I WOULD very much like to see this election serve as a "Wake Up Call" to the Democratic Party Centrist Leadership.

Less than 35% of ALL Americans support Mandates without a Public Option.
What does the "Centrist" Party Leadership THINK is going to happen if they FORCE this radically unpopular bill on America?

I fully support The Democrat for this seat.

Here is another poll that reflects the political complexion of DU:

[Faryn Balyncd]

26. Your 2nd paragraph is interesting, & leads to : . .Will passage bolster our majority or threaten it?

[Robb]

28. I do love that poll.

90% of DUers supported someone other than the winner.

80% supported someone other than the top two.

Ah, DU. It's the "U" we forget, really. Almost as often as the "D." :D

[Cali_Democrat]

29. The people voting for Brown need to be served some pizza!!

Come on mods....you can do it!!!

[CakeGrrl]

31. +1

[LLStarks]

30. Coakley. She sure as hell doesn't deserve it with the shitty campaign she's run. nt

[Tx4obama]

32. Do NOT vote for NUDE DUDE Brown. VOTE COAKELY Jan 19th

BOSTON — The race for a Senate seat once held by John Quincy Adams, Daniel Webster, John F. Kennedy and "liberal lion" Edward M. Kennedy is shaping up as a battle of relative national unknowns, led by a state Democratic insider and a Republican lawmaker perhaps best known as a male centerfold and father of an "American Idol" contestant.

SNIP

The likely Republican nominee, state Sen. Scott Brown, is an attorney, lieutenant colonel in the Army National Guard and triathlete whose personal life has proved ripe for tabloid fodder.

Brown's wife is a Boston TV reporter who once appeared in a bikini in a music video. His elder daughter, Ayla, was a semifinalist in the 2006 "Idol" televised talent show. And Brown, 50, helped pay his law school bills by posing naked – albeit with a strategically draped hand – in the June 1982 edition of Cosmopolitan.

SNIP

FULL STORY HERE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20091203/us-kennedy-successor/

p.s. IF Brown were to win - he'd be the first senator in US history to have posed NUDE for a magazine centerfold!