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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:14 PM
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Must Read: Excellent Analysis Of Dem Cent/Prog Split - 'MA-Sen: We’ve Seen This Movie Before' - FDL
MA-Sen: We’ve Seen This Movie Before
By: Robert Cruickshank Saturday January 16, 2010 10:00 am

<snip>

When Mike Stark commented on “the implosion” looming for Democrats as evidenced by the Massachusetts Senate special election next week by suggesting he wouldn’t phonebank for Martha Coakley, there were a number of replies taking issue with his assessment, accusing him of undermining progressives and empowering the far-right.

It’s just one example of a much larger debate taking place within the progressive movement, online and offline, about the special election, why Democrats and progressives are in this mess, and what progressives should do about it. Unfortunately, most of that discussion is taking place in a decontextualized vacuum, as if 2010 exists outside of history.

The fact is that we’ve seen this movie before. The Massachusetts special election is a textbook example of the phenomenon I’ve described here at FDL – where Democratic embrace of corporate neoliberalism leads to one and only one outcome: right-wing victory. We saw it play out in 1980 and 1994, every election from 2000 to 2004, and in other Anglo democracies such as Canada (2006) and Britain (sometime between now and June). And we’re watching it again in Massachusetts.

So what’s our response? We need to start by rejecting the notion that progressives have the ability to empower the far right wing by not falling in line behind weak, ineffectual, corporate Democrats. Everything we have seen in American politics since 1978 indicates that it is the “centrists” – those espousing and implementing a corporate neoliberalism – who achieve that empowerment, by depressing the base and alienating the swing voters. By all accounts, that’s exactly how Martha Coakley has run her campaign – and Scott Brown is responding exactly as a generation of right-wingers have, by seizing the opening to pass himself off as a charismatic populist, grabbing the alienated swing voters and taking advantage of a depressed Democratic base.

The MA Senate race is also a textbook example of how the corporatist party establishment tends to respond to these situations. Instead of wising up and making a play for the progressives by offering policy goodies, and a play for the swing voters by ditching consultant-speak and addressing them with more authentic language, they use scare tactics to try and motivate activists to work hard to avoid disaster. That works only to some degree, and we’ll find out on Tuesday whether it’s enough to stave off the right-wing in this case.


We also saw that reaction to the 2000 Nader phenomenon, which Mike Stark also brought up in his posts. Although I now hold several elected positions within my local and state Democratic Party here in California, I was a volunteer for the Nader campaign that fateful fall. The most common reaction among folks in Berkeley and Oakland when I canvassed them was that they were considering Nader only because Gore-Lieberman wasn’t offering them anything, hadn’t reached out to them. At any moment between August and October had Gore made a strategic outreach to alienated progressives, even in dogwhistle form, it would have brought a lot of those Nader voters home. I was surprised that no such outreach ever occurred, and that fear was the only argument used to try and win them back.

As we know, that argument didn’t bring back enough of them, at least not in Florida. There were many reasons why the 2000 election turned out as it did, but it too was at root a classic example of what happens when Democrats embrace corporate policies at the expense of the progressive populism that got them elected. Nader was a symptom of that, and even if he hadn’t run, Gore was having extreme difficulty holding together the coalition that Clinton had assembled twice before, watching swing voters who had given Clinton his victories in 1992 and 1996 get seduced by George W. Bush’s siren song of compassionate conservatism.

Although I later recognized the flaws of the third party approach, it took progressive activists – some of whom were, like me, former Naderites – to force the party to start paying attention to and caring about progressive voters. The Dean campaign was in some part about making that happen, as was the influx of progressive activists into party institutions that Dean initiated.

The party establishment’s reaction to things like voting for Nader, or staying home at a key election, is to treat it as a deviant act. Those who engage in it are seen as somehow flawed, stupid, demented, or otherwise showing signs of a lack of logical thought. In fact, actions like supporting a third party candidate or abstaining from an election are entirely predictable and commonplace reactions to a political coalition that has decided to ignore and at times belittle your needs and values. Most parties that have held power have faced a split within that party after at least 8 years in office since 1900 – Roosevelt’s Republicans in 1912, Truman’s Democrats in 1948, LBJ’s Democrats in 1968, Reagan-Bush’s Republicans in 1992, and Clinton-Gore’s Democrats in 2000.

In each case the cause was the same: coalitions wear themselves out eventually after the dominant partners inside it come to believe their position is secure and that they no longer need to make deals with those they view as junior members, that those junior members’ support of the coalition is either firm or unnecessary.

That’s why Obama’s decision to operate his administration as Clinton’s third term was so disastrous. It immediately recreated the political conditions of the 1990s, where progressives were unhappy and shut out from policymaking, and Democrats were so in hock to corporations that they lost touch with the people who put them in office and were beaten out by an insane right-wing that has a better message and a more common touch.


In that sense it’s good that Obama is going to Massachusetts tomorrow – he needs to start cleaning up his own mess. We know how this movie ends. It remains to be seen whether the White House is satisfied with it or wants to order a reshoot.

<snip>

Link: http://firedoglake.com/2010/01/16/ma-sen-weve-seen-this-movie-before/

:shrug:
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:19 PM
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1. k and r
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:20 PM
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2. Maybe FDL can get Grover Norquist to weigh in with an opinion.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:21 PM
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3. Oh, snap!
:rofl:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:33 PM
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8. Will.. That Was Totally Beneath You...
You must really be angry.

But as editor in chief of your own political website... you really want to go there?

I thought the analysis was thoughtful and had a major ring of truth to it.

Any chance of discussing it on the merits???

:shrug:
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 04:58 PM
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29. I'll tell you what is "beneath" someone: Enlisting teabaggers and holding hands with Norquist
pretending to promote a leftist agenda when really you are undermining everything the left has been working for. And then to promote false stories via sensationalism and then calling that anything related to truth. There is no merit in FDL, they've proven time and time again that they don't abide by their own standards while holding others they attack to them.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 05:23 PM
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30. You Seem... Upset...
And if you think the current configuration of the Democratic Party, and that includes the President, is everything the left has been working for...

You need to go brush up on your history.

The OP stands on its own merits, and is worth reading no matter what site generated it.

And the fact that some here feel the need to stifle legitimate discussion of what the hell might be happening to the party, reminds me of the bullshit "freedom fries" crap the other side tried.

To paraphrase Shakespeare: "Methinks Thou Dost Protest Too Much."

:wtf:
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:38 PM
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11. Grovers down in Haiti waterboarding the government.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 04:55 PM
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28. Bwahaha!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:27 PM
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4. The "not as bad" ploy is wearing very thin. K&R
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:28 PM
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5. k&r for the truth, however depressing. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:29 PM
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6. K&R'd
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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:32 PM
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7. K&R n/t
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:34 PM
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9. +6.02x10^23
Astonishing what's happened.

The opportunity of a lifetime totally obliterated by failure to heed recent history.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:35 PM
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23. Isn't that the mass of the Earth?
I know that figure from somewhere.

:shrug:

:dem:

-Laelth
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 05:38 PM
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33. Avogadro's Number
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:25 PM
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36. Cool. I knew I had heard it before. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:35 PM
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10. "That’s why Obama’s decision to operate his administration as Clinton’s third term was ..disastrous"
I thought it was Bush's third term?

FDL has become the pied piper for anyone who believes Obama is doing it wrong.

What was it that Obama said: Grab a fucking mop (paraphrased).

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:05 PM
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18. Yes, and I'm tired of the threats, too.
"Progressives better be heeded or we'll leave', cause we're the make-it-or-break-it-demographic" is just
bullshit.

Most people who use that threat aren't really progressives anyway, IMNSHO.

The progressives I know are out working on the same projects they were working on before the presidential election, not blaming Obama for the failure of their utopian dreams to come to fruition.



The cattle farm that is the "independent" -or the easily led- "voters" -- the ones that have to weigh every candidates' commercials until they LIKE one of them well enough to vote are the ones that decide just about every election out there.

I just had a friend email that nude photo of Brown and said (without a trace of irony or humor)

"This is why the Republicans are going to win this election".


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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:39 PM
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12. There's a lot to this, but the article also has a tone of progressive self-obsession.
Edited on Sat Jan-16-10 02:46 PM by burning rain
Those who self-identify as progressive have strong ideological commitments, while there's a larger group of voters in the center, or who at least think they're in the center, who favor more public power to offset private greed, which has them in a rage. There's a distinct cognitive dissonance between their insistence that they hate socialism but love Medicare and Social Security and any such program that betters their lives and delivers them from the clutches of private capital. Democrats have a natural advantage with such voters, but we've largely frittered it away with things like NAFTA and a crony capitalist health care reform bill and PhRMA deal. These voters have less ideological commitment, and no matter how much we party-line Democrats stomp our feet and gnash our teeth, they are liable to sit on their hands on election day or fall for Republican pseudo-populist BS in a fit of cynicism, if we do not address their legitimate economic concerns in a way that's pleasing to them.

The business of lashing out at someone nearby, say, obstreperous progressives at DU, may give catharsis to some, but it serves no good purpose. If Democrats are losing progressives on the bread-and-butter issues, we're losing "moderates" in greater numbers.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:47 PM
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14. Most Excellent Analysis !!!
:applause:

:hi:
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:45 PM
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13. The Shortest Distance Between Two Points
Who can tell how MA is going to turn out at this point.

Ed Schultz was on the air yesterday, literally begging Progressives to forgive, forget, and accept the lesser-of-two-evils voting logic.

Maybe a loss in MA is in the long-term best interests of Progressives. If the cost of marginalizing us becomes apparent, then more of our agenda could end up on the table in the future.

I'm beginning to see the utility of the strategic and pragmatic approach that the Party faithful are always lecturing Progressives about. Maybe it we think of ourselves as Progressives, rather than as progressive Democrats, which I already do, we'll start thinking in terms of what is in our Progressive interest. If a loss of the super-majority, which Democrats have used with incredible incompetence anyway, sends the message, "Don't tread on me," to the party, then maybe it's in the best interests of Progressives.

We should always capitalize the noun, Progressive. It needs to stop being a mere adjective or common noun--it needs to become a challenge to the status quo.

Yes, I've thought about it. While painful in the short-term, a Democratic loss in MA is probably in the best interests of Progressives in the long term. Democracy doesn't always follow the shortest distance between two points.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:52 PM
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15. This is just crap. A loss in Massachusetts won't teach the party anything.
I know that because I live in Massachusetts and I don't want Scott Brown to represent me, no matter how bad or awful you think Democrats are.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:04 PM
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17. What I've been hearing on Progressive Talk Radio
along with the fact that Obama is taking the trouble to travel to MA to appeal to the masses, tells me that even the potential for a loss in MA is teaching the Democratic Party a lesson.

If you don't want people like Brown to represent you (Believe me, I sympathize. I live in Alaska, and I don't like Murkowski or Young representing me, which they don't.), then stop alienating Progressives. My allegiance is to democracy, not Democracy.

I don't think the Democratic Party is awful, I think it has too much invested in the status quo, so it's part of the problem.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:47 PM
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42. a couple of things:...
if you want oakley to win, vote for her...duh.

I think you are absolutely right, that the democratic party won't learn anything/change as a result of a brown win. that is because (and this is the important thing) because, to the democratic party, losing is better than being progressive. that is the essence of the problem with two party politics. we need to learn that lesson in spades, yesterday.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:52 PM
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16. +1
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:07 PM
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19. +1 +1
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:07 PM
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20. Kiss my ass.
You're in fucking Alaska, for fuck's sake. Go cheerlead for the fucking up of your own state, and stop cheerleading for the fucking up of mine.

Progressive my ass.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:33 PM
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22. What you said.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:44 PM
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24. You tell 'em Will!! Absolutely! Two thumbs up.
Edited on Sat Jan-16-10 03:45 PM by Fire1
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 04:06 PM
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25. No thought of the merits of the OP?
I understand your feelings but what exactly is offensive about analysis of the situation? Mr. Pitt, I used to like your posts but you have been ranting like an extremist lately. Take a deep breath, not every one of these posts is your enemy, and some of them might actually provide light and ways to better avoid these kinds of close calls (or loss if it turns out) in the future. I don't quite get what is wrong with that?
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 05:27 PM
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31. State politics are national politics
Since my Blue dollars have no effect in my own very Red state, I send them elsewhere to influence national politics. Both NGOs and electoral races in other states receive my support. I'll be helping to target non-progressive Democrats in primaries all over the country.

Since Coakley is no Ted Kennedy, I view the only significance of that election to be the impact on the super-majority, which, as I pointed out, has proven irrelevant as far as human progress goes. Thus, it's utility as a message seems more relevant to me.

Just as all citizens of the U.S. have a stake in oil exploration in ANWR, and just as they work their will on the state where I live through their non-Alaska elected officials, I reserve the right to do the same.

I'm not asking permission.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 05:32 PM
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32. Where was that fight when corporate dems were crafting this fiasco of the HCR bill?
You do understand that Brown's success is DIRECT blowback from the HCR fiasco don't you? You understand that there is much more to come if the course isn't corrected post haste?

If you aren't fighting for your Progressive ideals then you have or are about to get the government you deserve.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 06:35 PM
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35. No. The government YOU deserve. I have health benefits
that serve me and my family quite well, I must say. I'm not suffering by any measure. So, be careful what you wish for, unless you're at a pretty good station in life. For all you progressives advocating this crap, I say, GO AHEAD! Bite off your nose to spite your face! No skin off my nose just a bunch of "told ya so's."
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:39 PM
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41. The OP is a state representative from MA n/t
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Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 02:36 PM
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45. Kiss your own ass, it is what you do best.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:15 PM
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21. it's quite a Catch-22:
1) "throw" the vote, and officials will agree that they don't need to listen to leftie "electoral terraists"
2) get in line, and they'll know we'll do so every time, no matter who the candidate is: they'll just rehash the talking heads' pleas that worked this time and give us the boogeyman of "loss of influence"; they'll agree that they don't need to listen to us, since we'll fall in line anyway
I'm quite suspicious of the 2009 shift in how the filibuster is discussed on DU: suddenly, it's as big a block to "progress" as Standard Oil or J.P. Morgan's pet Senators; it's invulnerable and cannot be lived with, as though the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964 were never filibustered. Even more suspiciously, we got a crap health-insurance bill "because it had to appeal to the centrists to ensure a supermajority," and now we're being told we only needed 51 votes all along. Installing Frist's Gingrichite ideas are hardly a panacaea for all the ills in America, as though Congress would get cracking if only that onerous filibuster were abolished: "if" they're bought and paid for, people- and nature-helping policies would never even be conceived. Same goes for the boob tube: if Idol were canceled, America's couch potatoes aren't going to snap out of their daze, recognize that the Wrong Party has destroyed the country, and protest en masse: they're going to the bar down the street.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 05:56 PM
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34. Just another Catch-22
I don't see much difference between a too-big-to-fail bank and a too-big-to-fail party. In both cases, we're told the alternative of support is worse.

My vote cannot be garanteed, to it has no power; it can't be taken for granted; once those who depend on votes can depend on them regardless of performance, the electoral process means nothing.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 04:10 PM
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26. Ahhh, from the Hamsher/Norquist/Schlafly headquarters....
fast becoming the Naderite headquarters as well it seems so these 'articles' certainly have a certain 'bent' shall we say.

FDL lost their credibility when the founder aligned herself with Norquist and Schlafly and articles like this just put it even further down the rabbit hole, imo.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 04:53 PM
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27. Shorter OP: Nader was right.
Progressives who think Republican wins are a good thing are morons.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:32 PM
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37. You have to understand, the party establishment cares first about control of the party.
Which is the source of all their power and prestige. Political victory and control of policy come after that. So populism, any sort of populism, is seen as a threat.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:41 PM
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38. I Know... "We The People" Is Such A Quaint Notion...
I'm Soooooo freaking naive...

:shrug:

:hi:
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:44 PM
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39. I still like the Hippie point of view I remember from my youth:
"Fuck Leaders" and "Question Authority".
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:45 PM
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40. FWIW, I think the OP is right on.
Edited on Sat Jan-16-10 07:47 PM by bemildred
Not criticizing it, but one needs to add the notion that it's intentional, it's not stupidity, it's deliberate, for a long time now, since the Civil War at least.
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WT Fuheck Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:49 PM
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43. bingo.
the more we meekly support the corporatist democrats, the worse things get.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:41 PM
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44. Gosh....
Who could have ever predicted that letting Olympia Snow and Joe Lieberman write the Health Care "Reform" Bill would piss off so many Democrats? :shrug:
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