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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:06 PM
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Cop badly injured on duty, finds himself with no insurance no job
note: i have been a cop in 3 different states. in the other 2, this would NEVER happen. when a cop is injured line of duty, ALL medical care related to that injury is covered - for LIFE. in WA (and this is a very blue state), i don't know what is wrong with the legislature (see: Leoff II), but a cop who is injured line of duty, can be left high and dry, after only 4 1/2 months. at that point, they can let him go and there is no insurance, unless he pays for it. this is TRULY unacceptable. it also incentivizes cowardice. cops (and firefighters) are going to be less likely ot be a hero, if they know they won't even be backed up medically and financially if they are hurt. as the article points out, if the cop is KILLED, there are quite good benefits. but if critically injured, not at all.

WA state legislature needs to address this.

http://www.komonews.com/news/problemsolvers/81810437.html
SEATTLE - All police officers promise to serve and protect. But one Seattle officer says no one's protecting him or his family. Jason McKissack was severely beaten on the job, and he's losing his medical benefits. And he has learned the same could happen to any officer who suffers a catastrophic injury in the line of duty. On June 17, 2008, McKissack found two teens fighting, and tried to break up the scuffle. But the teens turned on the officer and began assaulting him. The brutal beating left McKissack fighting for his life. "The first punch really rocked my brain," he said.

The officer remembers getting five blows to his head. He fell to his knees and looked up just as he was being charged. "He ran several feet and then did a soccer kick to my face," said McKissack. He thought he was going to die. McKissack's backup saved his life, but the vicious attack permanently damaged his brain. "Right now, the brain is having a hard time processing this," said his therapist. His balance is no longer level, and his brain just doesn't compute like it used to. It's so bad doctors say he'll never be a cop again, and he'll never be able to hold down a job. That was just the first blow. Months into therapy, he learned if he can't be a cop, he can't keep his medical benefits. "I actually got hurt saving someone's life and this is how they thank me?" McKissack said.

"I never, in my wildest dreams, thought if he was injured in the line of duty that we wouldn't be taken care of," said wife Kim McKissack. The only way his family - a wife and two kids - can keep their benefits is if McKissack dies in the line of duty. "If I would have got killed they would have been a lot better off," Jason McKissack said. "I could not believe it," Kim McKissack said.

Seattle police insist the cuts are not city policy. "That's a result of state law," Asst. Police Chief Nick Metz said. But even Metz said this type of catastrophic injury is so rare even he didn't know officers would be left to fend for themselves. "It's completely unacceptable, completely unacceptable," said Metz. Renee Maher's husband, Federal Way Police Officer Patrick Maher, was shot to death trying to break up a fight between two brothers in 2003. "As the wife of an officer killed in the line of duty. It makes me sick to my stomach to realize a family is better off financially to have their officer die," Renee Maher said. McKissack is now living on a paycheck provided by the state Department of Labor & Industries that is nearly 40 percent below his previous salary.

Out of that he must decide whether to pay for private medical insurance or pay the mortgage - he can't afford both. Private health insurance costs $1,300 a month for 18 months, then would increase to more than $2,000 per month. The Seattle Police Officer's Guild says it will be able to cover McKissack's private health insurance for a couple of months - but no more. The guild is demanding lawmakers change the law. "To have no medical insurance is just not right. It cannot be the way we take care of our officers," said SPOG President Rich O'Neill. Jason McKissack's story has prompted HB1679, which would protect police officers, fire fighters and corrections officers. If passed, the medical benefits would be paid out of the police pension fund, not the state budget.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:09 PM
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1. wow, your right about one of the reasons we put ourselves out there is we know we are covered
if we are injured, or the worst happens and we die our families are covered. Hopefully this dumb law will change...
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 05:47 PM
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29. there are people in high risk occupations throughout society who can be left high and dry
it's time to fix it, but not just for law enforcement, but for everybody.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:13 PM
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2. I see this is from KOMO. Hopefully they'll broadcast the story and the other
local news stations will pick it up and put pressure on -- who -- Gregoire? Not sure who could turn this around, but this must be stopped.

Ideally, it will get national coverage. I'll forward it to the folks at MSNBC.

I'm shocked this would be accepted in any state -- and ashamed it's my state.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:21 PM
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6. it comes down to house bill 1679
i have a friend who is a state rep and he will support it.

i have faith that gregoire would never veto it once it passes
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:27 PM
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11. I just wrote my reps and asked them to support it, too. This is so disturbing.
And thank your friend!!
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:16 PM
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3. Is he eligible for workman's compensation?
I'm not sure if police are covered or not but I would think they should be.

Don
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:19 PM
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4. he gets 60% pay
from l&i which is the state worker's comp thang.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:20 PM
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5. Tax free?
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:23 PM
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7. not sure
i've never gotten L&I. i did get disability insurnace (our union pays for it) when i was injured. that was 66 2/3% tax free. what is ironic, is that if he was KILLED, his family would get the full insurance coverage . but if he's injured, they don't
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:25 PM
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8. I know we are backwards in Texas.......
Edited on Sat Jan-16-10 07:32 PM by AnneD
But I don't think even we are this backwards. I bet if he were to just ask, there would be lot's of medical folks happy to do pro bono to help out. Speaking as a Nurse, the folks we work hardest on are kids, policemen, fireman, and soldiers. We just seem to code longer.

People that put their lives on the line deserve our best and the innocent deserve a chance to grow up. Shame on those who try to save a few pennies so they can line their pockets.

I think you do pay taxes on disability, in some states you don't..
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:27 PM
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10. we love you guys and gals
cops LOVE nurses. we have a lot in common, and equally disturbed senses of humor
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:34 PM
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14. My son is a cop,his wife is a nurse.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:52 PM
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17. One of the best and longest threads on a nurse website....
was labeled cops and nurses. It is like salt and pepper, kiss and hug.

Cops and Nurses tell the best stories. Are cops really superstitious about giving Nurses tickets? :rofl:
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:09 PM
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20. i have never given a nurse a ticket
otoh, i am kind of dissapointed that they wear scrubs now. i prefer the white skirt/stockings thing.

maybe it was all those midnight showings of rocky horror...
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 11:15 PM
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33. My sister is a nurse and my BIL was in the USMC when they met.
Nurses and cops/soldiers go together like peanut butter and jelly.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:28 PM
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12. one of the reasons that i try my hardest not to ticket nurses
last thing i want to do is piss you off and then mayby be under you hand later...
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:03 PM
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19. One Nurse, late to work at her ER unit.....
Edited on Sat Jan-16-10 08:10 PM by AnneD
was given a ticket by a young officer for speeding. She made to work, but guess who ended up in the ER later in the shift. She recognized him but didn't say a word. When his Captain came in to check up on him, he had a lengthly conversation with the Captain. As she walked in, the Captain told her not to worry about the ticket...the officer was just a rookie and didn't know better. She said the gruff look on the Capitan's face and the sheepish look on the officer's face was priceless.

And VADAWG....even if I DID get a ticket, I go above and beyond for our folks in uniform.:loveya:
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:11 PM
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21. nurse's also have excellent modes of revenge...
the worst is when they use a paramedic trainee for a blood draw or iv insertion.

some of these guys take like 3 tries to hit the vein...

or they can be really slow getting the painkillers...

or...

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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:18 PM
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22. I really believe Nurses could not do that,
it really is not in our nature. But to be honest, we are so overworked on the floor that it might seem that way. But officers get our best.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:18 PM
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23. Sorry
Edited on Sat Jan-16-10 08:20 PM by AnneD
double post.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:26 PM
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9. I just contacted my Representatives.
I expressed disappointment that they were not Sponsors of HB1679, and asked them to do the right thing.
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:33 PM
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13. completely unacceptable situation.
hopefully he can sue and rectify the situation somehow.

medical care shouldn't be tied to your job in the first place, however.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:35 PM
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15. We have a friend who tore his ACL and MCL in a struggle with a suspect
Not only did they fund a state of the art titanium brace, surgery and and rehab fit for a pro-basketball player, but they payed full wages- which are probably double what they are in the states- during his long recovery.

If he injures it again- he'll receive a full pension for life (and of course he'll have full health coverage). Plus, as an accomodation, he's getting bumped into CID- which as near as I can tell, is the equivalent of an American detective.

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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:37 PM
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16. n/t
Edited on Sat Jan-16-10 07:40 PM by TransitJohn
n/t
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:54 PM
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18. This is EXACTLY what is wrong with the Senate health care bill
It leaves everything up to the states.
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:11 PM
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24. Could he sue the families of the teens who assaulted him?
Try to recoup the medical fees? I would think they should be entitled to pay for his damages. :shrug:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:19 PM
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25. Even if he could, they would only be able to pay if they have money.
You can't get blood from a stone.
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:37 PM
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26. He's eligible for SSI disability and Medicare.
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 12:39 PM by Leftist Agitator
He's also eligible for workman's comp.

He really needs to shut the fuck up and quit complaining.

He knew what he was getting into when he became a cop, or at least he should have.

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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 11:12 PM
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32. actually, he didn't know
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 11:13 PM by paulsby
nor did, as admitted , the chief.

i didn't realize the situations was this bad in WA state, until i was recently injured. I was able to go back to work before my FMLA ran out, so it was all good. and i got a FAT disability insurance payment, but that's because my guild pays for one.

i assumewd, as i am sure most cops in WA did, that i would be covered for however long it takes if hurt line of duty.

that's how it works in other places i've worked

i've worked as a cop in two other states. in both of those other states, if you got injured line of duty, you were covered. period. for as long as you needed it.

that's how it should be.

WA's system ENCOURAGES cowardice. officer's have a strong disincentive NOT to be heroic, because if they get hurt doing so, they are proper fucked if they get a gnarly injury.

i was cited for bravery for risking my life. i was willing to risk it for the people. that's what cops should do. when you tell cops that if they get injured doing so, they are out of luck if they get seriously hurt, you encourage them to stand on the sidelines (like those cowards in columbine did).

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 11:18 PM
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34. What a useless hater you are.
Couldn't give advice without the hate?

BTW, I would bet that this cop's left nut is braver then you'd ever be.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 05:41 PM
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27. what happened to workman's comp?
isn't that federal?
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Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 05:42 PM
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28. No use for that racist "Guild"
they are despicable.

They would defend Davd Brame....
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 11:08 PM
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31. they aren't racist
unless you have some evidence, and david brame was in tacoma. what the heck does a tacoma police chief have to do with a seattle police guild.

furthermore, brame was MANAGEMENT. he was the chief. neither the seattle police guild NOR the tacoma one represents CHIEFS. police unions represent LABOR, not MANAGEMENT.

as i have said a million times before, unions are simply advocacy groups. they will support their members even to the detriment of society, or the persons served by the union members, at times.

that's true of cop unions, teachers unions, firefighter unions, etc. their JOB is to represent THEIR workers, not the "common good"

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Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:33 AM
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36. What are your Liberal and Progressive ideals?
Edited on Mon Jan-18-10 02:59 AM by Jax
Did you fight for Gregoire? Door knock for Gregoire? Did you? ANSWER!

What Democratic Representatives have you fought for in your district?

I said the racist Guild would back Brame.

You said Tacoma was "more your place" than Seattle.

Your words. David Brame is the poster boy for Seattle Racist GUILD.

Tell us your LIBERAL and PROGRESSIVE VALUES.

On edit: You also stated Rape reports were MOSTLY FALSE with no backup. David Brame Tacoma Police Chief RAPIST MURDERER.

Tacoma POLICE CHIEF. Tacoma is more your style...
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 11:15 AM
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39. are you on drugs or simply talking out your okole?
Edited on Mon Jan-18-10 11:17 AM by paulsby
first of all, quote where i said rape reports were "MOSTLY FALSE"

i have never said anything of the sort.

i have said that rape reports (and i have investigated scores) have amongst the highest # of false reports of any part I crime. i ALSO said that the vast majority are bona fide. many defense lawyers and prosecutors have conceded the same. the primary difference between a false rape report and a false (for example) burglary report is that the former, such as duke case, usually identifies a perpetrator. iow, there is a false allegation that often results in a person being smeared, arrested, indicted, etc. in the case of a crime like burglary, the motive is insurance fraud, and the last thing a false reporter will do is identify a suspect. that is the qualitative difference.

you are simply lying.

so, post your evidence for your fallacious claim:

you won't, because you are clearly on some kind of anti-cop/anti-seattle police guild kick.

and again, what the hell does brame, a person who wasn't even represented by ANY police guild (let alone seattle) have to do with racism?

brame was a cop-o-crat, a politician. he was an appointed politician. and like many appointed politician, when he did bad stuff, many people looked the other way.

he wasn't a street cop. he was an administrator.

brame has as much to do with the average cop, or police guild, as the CEO of general motors has to do with an assembly line worker.

again. post where i EVER said that rape reports were mostly false.

i am calling you a liar, unless you can quote it. and i KNOW you can't, because the idea is absurd. i have helped investigate rape cases and put scumbag rapists away for a collective total of HUNDREDS of years. so spare me your lying crap
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Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 03:48 AM
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37. Did you WORK and FIGHT for DEMOCRATIC Governor Gregoire's re-election???
Did you?

She was Attorney General before Governor.

How did you FIGHT and WORK for Democratic Governor Gregoire's re-election?

Waiting....

ANSWERS.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 11:18 AM
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40. as soon as you provide evidence for your lie
iow, show where i EVER said that rape reports were MOSTLY false, i'll let you know.

you made the claim. if true, would be easy to back up. but you won't, because you can't. which would make you a liar

hth

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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 09:54 PM
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30. That's crazy.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 11:20 PM
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35. I hope he gets taken care of.
WA DUers should contact their government!
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 05:47 AM
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38. Damn, I'm ashamed of my state
That's just not acceptable.
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