Prediction: The Progressives will prove Rahm correct. Progressives will

[rateyes]

go to the polls and make sure that Coakley is elected. And, then, in gratitude, progressives will be shat upon once more by the ones who have asked for our votes in the belief that "the left has nowhere else to go."

No public option. No price controls. Mandates. Bailouts for corporations. Nothing for the little people. But, hey, as long as he gets to sign a bill---any fucked up bill.


Some things never change. And, that's a fact you can believe in.

[BzaDem]

1. Because of course the real solution is to punish progressives who WANT a public option like Coakley.

That would show em. Some anger sentence about Rahm. YEEHAW.

[Edweird]

13. Really? You have her on record as supporting the public option?

I can't find it. All I can find is her supporting the senate bill (reluctantly because of the abortion restrictions - but supporting it nontheless). And then there's this:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/01/15-10

It was written by someone obviously very pro-single payer, so take it with a grain of salt. But it's definitely something worth looking into as a matter of due diligence.

[BzaDem]

20. Yes. Just search Google.

http://womenandpolitics.org/archives/coakley-champion/1622

"During her bid for Massachusetts Senate, she was the first candidate to give more than a sound-bite stance on the issue—she delivered a comprehensive plan of action. She articulated support for a strong public option and provided necessary reform strategies to contain costs, including changing pay incentives and implementing systematic transparency."

There are plenty of other results as well.

[Edweird]

25. Actually, I did.

All I got was a bunch of non-committal vaguely promising stuff and her support of the senate bill.

[Ian David]

2. ...

[Grand Taurean]

3. Martha Coakley is for un-abridged equal rights for gays.

Are you are aware that she filed a federal lawsuit to overturn the Defence of Marriage Act (1996)?

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/07/mass_to_challen.html

By the way she is also for regulating the financial industry.

[Sebastian Doyle]

4. How so?

Props to her for opposing the Indefensible Marriage Act, but when I hear "regulating the financial industry", that requires some clarification. If it's the Timmy Geithner plan - let the criminals at the "Federal" Reserve private banking cabal oversee everything - then that is unacceptable. If it's reinstating Glass Steagal and all the other FDR reforms that actually kept this country functional for over 40 years, then that's what I'm talking about.

[Grand Taurean]

5. I hope they do go to the polls and elect Martha Coakley.

She will be a good Senator for the state and support liberal causes.

[TreasonousBastard]

6. Some people believe every silver lining must have a cloud. And...

that's a fact you can believe in.

[bigmonkey]

7. Demoralizing the base.

You think, perhaps, that by showing "the masses" how hopeless the situation is, you will spur them to action. Maybe this is the way that your psychology works. I submit to you that it is not at all how most people's psychology works, and that your post is demoralizing the very people you presumably want to stimulate to action. I don't believe you are working against progressives, but if you were, your rhetoric wouldn't change much.

Therefore, please grow up.

[Fumesucker]

9. Not everyone is an optimist..

Some folks are "glass half full" people and some are "glass half empty" people..

It's a fact of human nature and you're not going to change it.

I actually see the OP as a statement of emotional pain, it hurts to feel constantly betrayed.

[bigmonkey]

11. The poster should claim it as personal feeling, then.

This self-important "that's the reality" stuff is what makes it infectious poison. It stops being a "cri du coeur" and becomes a rallying cry to despair. I think people should say what they feel, but I also think they should not be imperialistic about it, that's what turns it into an action that discourages change, as far as I can see. It's a distraction to say "don't deny my feelings" when the criticism is about expanding your feelings into an object lesson, especially when the thrust of the object lesson is for everyone to give up.

[Fumesucker]

16. It's difficult to open oneself up, even to people you know well..

Or at least it is to many of us..

Being honest about your emotions leaves you open to attack from those who would use those emotions against you.

Glass-half-empty people also often tend toward introversion or shyness, it's been my experience that extroverts do not understand introverts at all well and remarkably often misinterpret their communications because introverts are not as likely to be direct and open as extroverts.

[johnaries]

14. I have just one thing to say....

:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:

[hlthe2b]

8. sigh...

nothing more... just a very long sigh......

[inna]

10. fuck rahm

[salguine]

12. This one won't.

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[bertman]

17. Another REC for a truthteller.

[laughingliberal]

21. me too. rec nt

[autorank]

18. The only people who get pay back are the big money boys k*r

They're donating year round in every way, not just campaign donations.

[cali]

19. the largest voting group in MA isn't dems but indies and they're going

for Brown by over a two to one margin. You seem to think that Progressives are the center of the voting universe. we're not.

[BzaDem]

22. Do you think that the indies will turn out though?

I agree that we certainly aren't the center of the political universe.

My hope though is that given that this is a special election, the independents will be the ones least likely to care enough to turn out.

[robinlynne]

23. right ratty right.

[flamingdem]

24. Stop the sour milk bull and support Coakley, we need that seat

or do you want a triumphant return of the Republicans so you can smugly enjoy a phyrric victory?

[jpak]

26. The obligatory Two Minutes of Hate for the Obama administration

Some things never change. And, that's a fact you can believe in.

:thumbsdown:

[tridim]

27. I will not let you usurp the "progressive" label.

I'm a progressive and I support voting for Coakley 100%.

You're something else entirely, and ironically your work here on this thread is purely REGRESSIVE in nature. How do you defend that?

[rateyes]

28. I'm not usurping anything. I hope Coakley wins.

I'm just making a prediction based on history.