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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:40 PM
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God Save the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
(Because nobody else can)

BTW, this is on all documents released through the Secretary of State's office. God Save the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

Much of what has been written about this election is wrong. In many, many ways, this is a family fight in-state. It's not about national politics. It's about unrest in MA over the last 3 years. It's about fear that people who have lived here for generations can't live here anymore because they can't afford it. It's about people resenting being told what to do by "experts" who reside in MA for as long as they are being well-paid and then leave.

Some elections are chances for people to "even the score" and teach others a lesson. I think this special has strong, strong elements of that. It's about Massachusetts and the unrest and discontent that people here feel. It's about people being angry over the perception that they are not being heard by their electeds.

It's about us. God Save the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
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BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:40 PM
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1. I'm not that surprised...
You guys elected Mitt the Mor(m)on.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:42 PM
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2. Real helpful. Thanks.
:eyes:
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BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:43 PM
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4. Everybody makes mistakes...
Even leftist-dominated Bologna elects the odd Christian democrat mayor.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:42 PM
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3. And for good reason
Shannon O'Brien did not run a good race that year. Plus, it's not a good idea to show off your tattoos during a debate.

But you know doubt knew that because of your extensive knowledge of MA electoral history. My apologies for bringing it up.
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BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:49 PM
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8. I know her campaign was crap...
But to vote for a right-wing cultist with 9 or so houses? WTF?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:00 PM
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10. Romney won with under 50%
of the vote. People voted for him because he was a neutral candidate who was considered a moderate. It was a "safe" vote in a bad economic year.

The choice did turn sour and a lot of voters deeply disliked the Mittster. I don't think he would have been re-elected, had he run in 2006. He was considered cool, aloof and uninvolved in actually running the state. (In other words, he was a CEO Governor who delegated all the unpleasant duties of being Gov to others to carry out. He was also tone-deaf to the pleas of cities and towns for state aide.)
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:28 PM
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12. And in the 4 years he was Governor
the draft dodging coward spent 2 and a half years bashing Mass when he was out of state constantly campaigning for his failed prez campaign. Mitt is a weenie.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:32 PM
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13. The MA Dem Party site used to have this funny animations about Romney
up on the old website. I wish someone would repost those. They were dead-on parodies of the Mittster and his habit of kicking the state he was Gov of.

Anybody here ever see those animations? Funny stuff.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:43 PM
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5. God: "Oh, so NOW you believe in me."
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:46 PM
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6. Maybe
Massachusetts had a hand in founding Unitarianism, Spiritualism and Christian Science. (I think we founded a few others too.)

My sister still occasionally attends the First Church in Salem where they have been holding Spirutualist meetings since the 1840's. Salem has a long history of talking to dead people.

God likes to talk to Massachusetts in many diverse ways, apparently.
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BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:47 PM
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7. Interestingly...
Edited on Mon Jan-18-10 01:48 PM by BolivarianHero
Centuries ago, America had Unitarian Presidents and nobody gave a damn. If a Unitarian were to run on a major party ticket today, there'd be more than just Birthers comparing him to Stalin.

The Great Awakening is really the Great Curse.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:57 PM
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9. Maybe
But the debate on this had to be made. It is still being made.

Massachusetts was founded as a religious refuge. (More the Puritans than the Pilgrims. There were atheists in the Pilgrim settlement, btw.) Massachusetts also believed in religious freedom and in fighting about religion or the lack thereof.

This is a central contradiction that has always generated heat here.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:22 PM
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11. Explaining the two Democratic Parties in MA
This is a very good article that explains a little bit more about what goes on in family fights in MA. This election is also a family fight in MA.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040802/pierce

Massachusetts politics never has been about conservatives and liberals. The same people who listened religiously (you should pardon the pun) to the radio ravings of Father Charles Coughlin, and the same people who cheered on Joseph McCarthy, still voted in stunning ensemble for the local Democratic Party. Even though the state's last four governors have been Republicans, the GOP hasn't been able to elect anyone to much of anything else, and the Democratic Party still holds a three-to-one advantage in registered voters. And all four of those governors--William Weld, Paul Cellucci, Jane Swift and Romney--were notably silent on the hot-button social issues, until the state's Supreme Judicial Court forced Romney's hand on gay marriage last fall. The tide of "Movement conservatism" elsewhere in America rolled back at the Massachusetts border.

Massachusetts politics always has been about established power and the reform impulse, and, since the beginning of the last century, that struggle has taken place within a liberal Democratic context. That is the tradition that produced John Kerry, and it's not a bad tradition to come from when you're running against an Administration that seems to stand for power, and for its exercise, and for very little else.

Many years ago, almost everybody in Massachusetts was a liberal, even the Republicans, although the Republicans didn't know they were liberals at the time. The successive waves of immigration--most particularly, the nineteenth-century flood tide from Ireland--set up a dynamic that locked Massachusetts Republicans forever into the position of established power based on inherited privilege and high-end Protestantism. Considering that these people were the historical heirs of the radical abolitionists of the mid-1800s, when the movement against slavery began in Episcopalian, Congregationalist and (especially) Unitarian pulpits, it was quite odd for the children and grandchildren of the firebrands to find themselves cast as the defenders of an entrenched elite. However, the immigrant Massachusetts Democrats managed the not-inconsiderable feat of casting themselves as "reformers" while simultaneously perfecting virtually the entire gamut of modern American political corruption. Specifically, the very real discrimination that these immigrants felt from the Massachusetts establishment, and from the nativist mobs working at its tacit behest, created a political culture in which ethnic nepotism was transformed into self-defense and, thus, into a durable language of revolutionary reform.

The basic appeal of the legendary Boston political bosses--from James Michael Curley, to John "Honey Fitz" Fitzgerald, to Martin "The Mahatma" Lomasney, who once explained, "Never write when you can speak. Never speak when you can nod"--was deeper than simply "Where's Mine?" There was more than a little bit of sticking-it-to-The-Man about it as well. This was echoed by the lesser satellites throughout the Commonwealth. In Worcester, my birthplace, a city with proud progressive Republican roots in both abolitionism and in the various movements for women's rights, the citizens once elected a mayor named John C. Mahoney, who campaigned on the slogan "Me hands are tied. Me back is to the wall. And the Protestants are after me." The constituent-service liberalism born when the immigrants came to power was, at its heart, extraordinarily reactionary.


This election is also about "sticking it to The Man" and that is a local fight.
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