Coakley is the 59th vote, not the 60th

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Democrats have proven that Joe Lieberman is not part of their team, he is a republican that gets special privledges from the majority party. So if Coakley loses tomorrow night not all that much will change, and if it means the defeat of the healthcare bill a lot of people here think that's a good thing. The white house and the democratic leadership has pissed all over it's base this past year, now they are shocked that we aren't excited about this special election. Why get excited about something that means absolutely nothing? In fact if it now means that Democrats stop selling out their legislation to corporate whores and instead have to ram it through without 60 votes using good old fashioned GOP politics then that might turn out to be a very good thing. All of the sudden reconciliation might be back on the table again, and maybe they won't be so supportive of automatic fillibuster of each piece of legislation that our democratic "leadership" agreed to.

Don't get me wrong, it would probably be better for Coakley to win. And if you guys are working your ass off for her more power to you. But the truth is at this point I personally really don't give a shit, sue me. And I'm sure many here share that view.

I would just like to add one more thing:



That's supposed to be our 60th vote because, well, he says he is (even if he doesn't actually vote with us).

[WeDidIt]

1. Say whatever you like, Lieberman caucuses with the Dems

so Coakley would be the 60th vote.

That is the simple fact of the matter.

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[AlinPA]

5. It sure hurts though, to give so much deference to him after he stood on stage with Palin

and smiled while nodding his head in agreement when she called Obama a terrorist and her (and his) supporters screamed "kill him" about Obama. Politics is dirty, but he is gutter material.

[Sebastian Doyle]

6. Lieberman uses the Democrats to hang on to a committee chair

He doesn't actually "caucus" with the Democrats, because he votes against us every time it actually counts. And if kissing the Chimp didn't bring the reality of that home, then two years of THIS shit.....



...certainly should have. He campaigned for that senile old piece of shit. Even AFTER the wolf shooting lunatic was on the ticket. That is unforgivable, and it's time everyone, even you DLC'ers, drop the pretense that he is anything other than a hard right neocon traitorous son of a bitch.

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7. I guess pointing out that the legislation the likes of Lieberman pass...

...is comparable to a blow job to the corporate world gets your posts deleted around here now. Nice.

[Ganja Ninja]

8. "Lieberman caucuses with the Dems"

Exactly and that's the problem. We're all counting Democrats when we need to be counting loyal liberal progressives. By my count we're at least a half dozen short.

[WeDidIt]

9. If all you're counting are liberal progressives

The caucus is down to about 35, IMO.

[NJmaverick]

3. You can't get to 60+ (which would allow the Dems to tell Traitor Joe to take a hike)

by sitting around and letting Republicans win the Senate seats. That only makes things worse rather than better.

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4. The opportunity to get 60 came and went, it won't come again for a long time

this senate race has nothing to do with that.