" Its ALL Joe Lieberman's FAULT !!! "

[bvar22]

ANYONE who STILL believes that this failure of a Health Care "Reform" Bill is ALL Joe Lieberman's Fault is naive beyond belief.

In 2008, the American People gave Obama and The Democratic Party a HUGE Mandate for "CHANGE".
The White House and the Democratic Party Leadership could have CRUSHED Joe Lieberman anytime they wanted to.....IF they had wanted to!

Former Chairman of the DLC Joe Lieberman merely Took One for The Team.
The DLC New Team

(Screen Capped from the DLC Website)


Individual Mandates to BUY Health Insurance without a Public Option
coupled with massive Welfare (Trillion Dollars) for For Profit Health Insurance Corporations
IS a Republican Health Care Plan.



But...but...but...Its ALL Joe Lieberman's fault ! :cry:
The Democrats never had 60 votes! :cry:
YOU don't know how Congress works! :cry:
Bullshit.

Joe Lieberman is an unpopular worm who could have, and should have been crushed shortly after he campaigned FOR the Republican Party.
The fact that he wasn't is PROOF that he is serving a useful purpose for those in charge.


White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs this morning:
(paraphrase)
Who could have predicted that letting Joe Lieberman and Olympia Snow write the Health Care "Reform" Bill would piss off so many Democrats? :shrug:

[mdmc]

1. I blame Ralph Nader - if he didn't run in 2000

Perhaps Joementum could be President today!

[dkf]

5. Ouch!

Damn at least we were saved from that hell

[Blasphemer]

46. Good one! nt

[Dr. Strange]

48. !

:rofl: :rofl:

[Cronus Protagonist]

2. WERD!

Tell it like it IS.

[dkf]

3. Democrats enabled Liebermans poison pill.

So yes they did screw up.

[dflprincess]

4. Liebermann is just a convenient fall guy

for the Democrats selling us out to the health insurers. It's becoming pretty clear that the bill the Senate passed is the one Obama and his DLC pals wanted all along.

[dionysus]

9. that post is like alex jones with a dash of art bell thrown in for flavor

[chimpymustgo]

14. Obama said he "got 95% of what he wanted."

:puke:

[dflprincess]

22. I tremble to think what the other 5% might have been

seeing as he now claims he never thought a public option was necessary. I can only guess it would have made this bill even worse.

[dionysus]

6. you manage to post that pic every day, don't you?

[bvar22]

13. Yes!

STILL proudly displayed on the DLC Website!
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=254886&kaid=86&subid=85

STILL pertinent.
STILL Current Events.

Why does it bother you so much? :shrug:

Here it is again in case you missed it!

The DLC New Team

(Screen Capped from the DLC Website)

[dionysus]

19. just asking a question.

[bvar22]

21. and not answering any.

Why does this picture bother you so much?

[dionysus]

30. i'm not a fan of the DLC, but apparently they're some kind of all-purpose bogey-man for you.

whatever floats your boat i guess.

[bvar22]

32. bogey-man ?

The DLC is the simplest explanation for the Corporate Sell Performance of the Democratic Party over the last 20 years.

Unlike the Bogey-man, the DLC is very, VERY REAL.
Does the Bogey-man have a website?
The DLC does.

Go read up on what they want to do with Social Security and Medicare.

[dflprincess]

23. Its a picture that can't be repeated too much

IMHO

[sabrina 1]

44. Do you object to the picture being posted

or do you object to the Republican wing of the Democratic Party having more power in the party than real Democrats?

[Fire1]

7. If Obama had been more like LBJ this never would have

happened.:spray:

[Fire1sKid]

11. Ah Grasshopper,

you have finally mastered the talking point du jour that you can never go wrong with on here lol!
:rofl:

[LeftishBrit]

26. Possibly - but the next question that arises is why didn't LBJ establish universal healthcare...

Not to mention others before him. I believe Truman wanted to, for example. There must be some pretty powerful forces against it.

[Fire1]

28. Admittedly, I should have added the sarcasm tag but I feel

like fuckin with people today.

[bvar22]

31. LBJ DID open the door with Medicare.

Expanding Medicare would have been the easiest way to gain REAL HCR.
Let the Republicans attack Medicare!

..But there is NO payoff for Big Pharm and Big Insurance (both incestuous 1st Cousins of Wall Street)
if we simply expanded Medicare.

[daa]

35. He got Medicare eom

[Dr.Phool]

41. They rolled out Ronnie Raygun records at Tea Parties back then.

[uponit7771]

56. OBAMA HAS 68% DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS?!?!?!??! You're kidding right?!

[quinnox]

8. As I said many times, this bill should be titled

"The Joe Lieberman Health Care Reform Act"
He had the most influence and the Democrats bent over backwards to accommodate his every whim. No wonder the bill sucks, it has Lieberman's stamp of approval all over it.

[tridim]

10. You're worse than Holy Joe IMO

Let that fact sink in for awhile.

[bvar22]

17. Oh YES!.

I am the one who knocked the wheels of the entire Democratic Party's "attempt" at Health Care Reform.

I'm the one who campaigned for the Republican Party in 2008.

I'm WORSE than Joe Lieberman!
:rofl:

I'm glad YOU think I'm THAT powerful.
Unfortunately, I DID campaign on a Public Option.

[tridim]

40. IMO you're worse because you're predending to give a shit..

While still calling one of the greatest Democratic achievements in half a century a failure.

At least Holy Joe doesn't try to hide his love for the status quo.

For gawd's sake, get with the fucking program and help us help the uninsured.

[bvar22]

45. The reason I oppose this bill is BECAUSE I give a shit.

You are selling the lipstick and ignoring the PIG.

YES. Some people would be helped,
but at a Pyrrhic cost.

The PIG:
Individual Mandates with NO Public Option is the FOUNDATION of The Bill.
It permanently enshrines the For Profit Health Insurance Industry as the gateway to Health Care in America.
No future "adjustments" will make THIS FOUNDATION better.
It can't be "fixed later".

For context, compare THIS bill to Health Care in ANY civilized country in The WORLD.
"A Uniquely American Solution"....INDEED.


The Blood Bath:
LESS than 35% of ALL Americans support Mandates without a Public Option.
This will NOT campaign well against Republicans who WILL simply say,
"YEP! We opposed it" when the low information voters are forced to start paying The Bills.


ANY and ALL "regulation" can and will be quickly de-regulated (or simply not enforced).


I fully support the Health Care Reform Obama & The Democratic Party campaigned on:
A viable and competitive Public Option funded by raising taxes on those who make over $200,000/year.

I fully oppose THIS Republican Plan that has been substituted for the one they campaigned on.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[RaleighNCDUer]

59. get with the fucking program and help us help (a few of) the uninsured

Insurance doesn't do a fucking thing if you can't afford the co-pays or the deductibles.

If you want to help the uninsured - all of them, not leaving 20 million hanging - back a strong public option or (gawd forbid) single payer.

You know - the things this POS legislation DOESN'T do.

[The Midway Rebel]

12. Our party let us down terribly on this one!

I told my Great Depression Era Democratic in-laws that I think this whole health insurance reform fiasco is an indictment against the "two- party" system that we supposedly have in America. It is apparent that our party has been bought by the highest bidders. They agreed.

[tridim]

15. Yea, PASSING real HCR after decades of failure is such a letdown.

:eyes:

Let me guess, you got yours already, right?

[bvar22]

24. "Real" Health Care "Reform" ???

Even Obama does not call it Health "Care" Reform anymore.

Mandates without a Public Option + Massive transfer of Public Money to Private Corporations IS a Republican Plan.
THIS does NOT open the door to Single Payer.
It Nails it shut!

Who could have predicted that letting Olympia Snow and Joe Lieberman write the Health Care Reform Bill would piss off so many Democrats? :shrug:

[tridim]

37. Yes, real HCR

Apparently you STILL haven't read the bills. You have no clue what's really in there.

Get back to me after you have read them.

[Dr.Phool]

42. Next, you'll be saying.

"Thank Gawd it passed"!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[tridim]

58. Are you for the status quo?

I sure as fuck hope not.

[The Midway Rebel]

27. Nope! Been without for over 10 fucking years! Thanks "Democratic Party"!

When can I afford to see a Dr. about the chest pains I have been having lately? Health Care Reform!!??? You call this shit REFORM?!Got mine already!? Wanna see my fucking bills from two hours in an ER? In this case, you are a presumptuous JERK!

[tridim]

38. Then you're fighting against your own self-interest.

Why?

It is reform, period. Read the bills.

[bvar22]

47. They are just calling it "reform" to fool the low information voters.

It IS a Bait & Switch sell out to the For Profit Health Insurance Industry, period.

Read the bills.

The "regulations" are full of loopholes and trap doors, and are written by the Corporations themselves.
Do you really think that all of a sudden these huge Corporations are going to start playing fairly, by the rules?
Or will they continue to employ legions of lawyers to contest every single consumer complaint for years through the courts?

Where is the powerful oversight agency that will monitor Mega-Corportions and their legions of lawyers and slap them down with punitive fines if they step outside the lines?

What is the track record of the Democratic Party over the last 20 years for "effectively regulating" the Corporations who are buying them their seats? :shrug:

Thanks.
Waiting patiently for the links on consumer enforcement mechanisms.

MY self interests:
A Viable Public Option "like Medicare", and raising taxes of those making over $200,000/ year.
You remember, the one Obama campaigned on.

[The Midway Rebel]

49. Why are you cheering for another corporate handout? How ironic.

You are saying READ the bills while my Dr. says I better PAY the fucking bills. Reform indeed.

Maybe next time I got to the ER I can just show them a copy of this senate "reform" bill.

[tridim]

57. Why are HC stocks rising today on news that HCR might fail?

Read the bills if you want to continue this debate, otherwise get lost.

[bvar22]

33. Got mine already?

Nope!

I'm uninsured, and have been for the last 8 years, AND I'm approaching 60.
I ALSO would be entitled to a nice "subsidy".

I STILL oppose this bill.
It is a big step in the WRONG direction.

It IS a Republican Health Care Plan, and I'm ALL Democrat.
THIS kind of "Democrat":

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.--FDR

YOU won't find ANYTHING like the above on the DLC Website.
That is ONE reason I am so disgusted with the current state of affairs INSIDE the "Democratic" Party.

[daa]

36. Insurance reform with mandates and no cost control

is a failure of the mandate Dems were given and a failure of Obama who easily gave up single payer and Medicare expansion. So why don't you have yours? They could have passed pre-existing conditions and done none of this. You think some piddly subsidy will cover YOUR share the size of a mortgage?

[tridim]

39. Read the bills.

Obviously you haven't or you would know about the many cost-control measures in them.

[daa]

52. So is Lipitor going to be half price like is it in Canada?

Didn't think so. Taxing benefits called Cadillac plans is not cost control it is stupid, especially if you live in a high cost area like California. We spend twice as much as the rest of the world for worse outcomes and there is nothing in the bill that closes that gap any time soon if ever.

[dmallind]

16. Tell us how

How do you crush an elected Senator not of your party but who caucuses with you?

Take his committee chairs? Sure and quite probably a good idea. That changes his vote on HCR how?

Take away DSCC money? Nope - doesn't get any. If he did it would change his vote on HCR how?

Refuse to campaign for him? Didn't matter last time did it. Changes his vote on HCR how?

How exactly do we "crush him" in a way that changes his vote?

[dionysus]

20. it's easier to invent conspiracies about how obama and holy joe were in it together.

[uponit7771]

55. Yeap, and for some reason people rec these post...this doesn't move me away from a concerted effort

[bvar22]

29. There are many other ways.

Lieberman has proven he can be bought.
BUY him. (I LIKE this one...Cut a DEAL)

Lieberman has proven that he is vain.
Threaten to ruin him.

Lieberman has proven he loves the spotlight.
Expose him.

America gave Obama and the Democrats a HUGE Popular MANDATE for Change.
Take that MANDATE and the Bully Pulpit and destroy him.

Read up on Huey Long and LBJ.
I don't like that kind of politics, but I like the current situation even less.
Can you imagine wimpy little Joe Lieberman standing up and saying NO! to LBJ or FDR?
LOL

At this point, I would go all J Edgar Hover on Lieberman's ass!

On Edit: Obama came out of CHICAGO for christ's sake.
He knows how to do this.
Go ask the Progressive Democrats who held out on Obama's supplemental War Funding.
He put the Winged Monkeys on their ass, and they came around.

[uponit7771]

54. ....uh....uh....you run him over with .....a ....tricycle or a ......big wheel....PONY!!!!

[ima_sinnic]

18. you awful person, you, telling it like it is!

it's republican "HCR" because the Democratic Party has been taken over by republicans masquerading as "democrats."
The two parties are as "different" as Coke and Pepsi, and with about the same value to society. And, like Coke and Pepsi, they are simply brands that are marketed.

"buying locally" to beat the corps will work for politics, too. We The People must forge ahead with something new and different. The citizens started getting more involved beginning in 2004, in reaction to GWB, by running for local offices--we need to build on that momentum.

The will is there for progressive legislation, it just needs some organization and leadership to bring it together. The Internet is making the previously dim prospect of viable third parties less dim.

[treestar]

25. Well OK

It's the fault of the voters of Conn.

OTOH, if Franken had not won, it would be Olympia Snowe's fault.

There is always going to be a 60th vote. At least it is Lieberman rather than a repuke and we got something.

[bvar22]

34. George Bush and the Republicans NEVER needed that 60th vote.

Why is it so damned important NOW?

[treestar]

50. I'm not sure that's true

But if it were, yes they did. They just got it because the Democrats were working with them and some voted with them. They didn't do 100% party of no like the repukes do.

[Atticus]

51. "At least it is Lieberman rather than a repuke "?

Pull your head OUT of there, man!

[ima_sinnic]

43. kick

[uponit7771]

53. Please cite the LAW that says Lieberman MUST vote the way Obama wants him to? Tia