MrsCorleone
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:02 PM
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Humana stock up 7%+, Aetna up 4.15%, United Health up 4.09%! |
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Possible Coakley loss is great news for health insurers! Whooooooooooo hoooooooooo! :sarcasm:
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HUM Humana Inc. NYSE USD 51.94 +3.43 7.07% HS HealthSpring, Inc NYSE USD 20.13 +0.83 4.30% AET Aetna Inc. NYSE USD 32.66 +1.30 4.15% UNH UnitedHealth Group Inc. NYSE USD 35.13 +1.38 4.09% CI CIGNA Corporation NYSE USD 37.92 +1.08 2.93% WLP WellPoint, Inc. NYSE USD 68.06 +1.41 2.12% MOH Molina Healthcare, Inc. NYSE USD 23.68 +0.48 2.07% HNT Health Net, Inc. NYSE USD 26.01 +0.44 1.72% WCG WellCare Health Plans,... NYSE USD 36.45 +0.43 1.19% GTS Triple-S Management Corp. NYSE USD 17.63 +0.04 0.23%
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endless october
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:04 PM
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1. no, they realize health insurance corporation bailout passes either way. |
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and so do their stockholders.
if they thought health insurance bailout wasn't passing, the stocks would go down.
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Egnever
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:07 PM
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does it hurt to be so clueless?
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:12 PM
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Edited on Tue Jan-19-10 07:12 PM by endless october
look for yourself and discover how much they've paid to lobby for this bill in the last two years.
it cost hundreds of millions to keep single payer off the table, and millions more to kill the public option.
if you think the insurance companies don't want a bill that is basically nothing more than a mandate to buy health insurance with few cost controls on it, you're crazy. with this bill, the insurance companies capture healthy 20 somethings who don't buy insurance right now, and they can still put the old and sick in expensive high risk pools. and those people can't drop the insurance without paying a fine.
insurance companies gain from this bill. big time.
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:22 PM
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15. They've spend hundreds of millions trying to kill the bill. |
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Which in your world makes you think they like it?
Reality fail.
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:36 PM
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18. Trying to kill the bill? |
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When they get mandates and no public option to compete against? And only have to bribe one republican over if this guy gets in?
They were lobbying to kill meaningful reform, not the bill.
Someone else is having a reality fail here.
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endless october
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:58 PM
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22. they spent hundreds of millions trying to kill reform, |
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not this bill.
this bill is what they paid for.
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Tue Jan-19-10 08:18 PM
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They spent millions trying to keep PUBLIC OPTION out along with other protections for the average person. They WANT a mandate that people have to buy their insurance PRODUCT.
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Roland99
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:04 PM
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2. It's good news either way for those bloodsucking vermin. |
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The HCR bill as it stands is a huge gift to them.
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:06 PM
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3. A gift that will be pried from our hands and delivered on a silver platter to those traitors... |
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...by the traitors we helped elect.
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:06 PM
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4. they don't like it overly much. they're afraid it opens the door to closer scrutiny |
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and tighter regulation. thus the spike in their stocks anticipating a brown win.
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:07 PM
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6. Pffft...yeah right. They're in love with the coming influx of 30 million new suckers, er, customers. |
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:09 PM
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7. the actual evidence doesn't support your frame, but many people, and you're |
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clearly one of them, squish everything into their frame.
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:21 PM
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14. Ayup, that's me. Mr. Squishy. |
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:19 PM
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13. The Banksters say Nope - and figures don't lie. |
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:10 PM
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8. The betting is that the Senate Bill will be forced down the House's throat.... |
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:33 PM
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:38 PM
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19. Oh, that just makes me sick |
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But the very height of political kabuki.
"We couldn't pass anything else..."
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:14 PM
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10. It's a win -win situation for them, |
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we are the losers either way.
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:15 PM
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11. I believe some people here on DU were "HAD" by Big H and Big Pharma agitprop |
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Kill the Bill!
It's cool!
It's progressive!
It's a "giveaway" to the Fatcat Corporatist Feudalists!
PT Barnum was right...
yup
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Tue Jan-19-10 08:21 PM
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24. Your reasoning has flaws |
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Edited on Tue Jan-19-10 08:21 PM by Irish_shark
Surging insurance stocks do not mean the Senate bill is better for them than a bill with the public option. It simply means the status quo is even better than the Senate bill.
Thus, the order goes like this, beginning with the most hated option:
1) Bill with public option (stocks surged when public option was declared dead)
2) Senate bill
3) Status Quo.
Those who wanted to kill the Senate bill didn't want the status quo, as you suggest. They wanted the House bill.
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MrsCorleone
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Tue Jan-19-10 09:54 PM
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26. Hey Irish. I get what you're saying, but I also agree with jpak's |
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Edited on Tue Jan-19-10 09:55 PM by MrsCorleone
observation that a lot of DUers were duped by think tankers on the internets.
However well intentioned, the backlash on HCR and Obama had a net negative effect on public support of HCR in general and the MA election specifically, IMO.
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:15 PM
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12. It is great news for them. They prefer no regulation |
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Edited on Tue Jan-19-10 07:17 PM by andym
The current bill is less preferable to them, because they are being regulated (no matter how well or poorly), which could affect their bottom line, but they do get new customers. A public option would be anathema to them. See stock analysts' opinions for confirmation. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7486317&mesg_id=7486317
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:26 PM
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16. there's some "exit polls" fer ya. |
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:38 PM
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20. This is what Corporatocracy Looks Like !!!! |
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Tue Jan-19-10 07:49 PM
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21. I thought that said "Human stock up" |
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Tue Jan-19-10 08:30 PM
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25. Anybody here track S&P futures? Futures down at 8:16 EST |
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but my console is glitchy and don't know if downdraft was meaningful. Feedback appreciated.
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