I blame Coakley. I blame the DLC. I blame Rahm. DLC has got to GO from the Democratic Platform

[Hawkeye-X]

starting with the elections this fall.

ALL DLC/Blue Dogs needs to be primaried out and REPLACED with progressives.

A important lesson learned tonight - DLC does NOT work.

Hawkeye-X

[sandnsea]

1. I blame the lying left, so there

That helps.

[Hawkeye-X]

3. You really think DLC works, sandnsea?

Seriously?

[sandnsea]

25. I think governance is complicated

Trade, for instance. A candidate could probably win on NAFTA repeal if that were the only issue. There are groups of both Democrats and Republicans who hate NAFTA. It could well be the only thing some of those voters would agree on.

But that's not the only issue. And if you asked those exact same voters about workers in Haiti, for instance, the Republicans wouldn't give a crap and the Democrats would insist they deserve legal protection.

So how do you govern in a way that makes all voters, of any party, happy.

One thing is for sure, you can never get to a sensible policy when 3/4 of the population is believing lies they're being told. For instance, that Obamacare is govt controlled healthcare OR Obamacare is going to send us to jail for not buying insurance. Both of those extremes are bullshit and as far as I'm concerned, THAT is why Brown won. The DLC had absolutely nothing to do with this election.

[sandnsea]

36. hiccup

[JI7]

8. more like the FAKE left

as if they care about progress. if Obama waasn't the president we wouldn't even be having this health care debate.

[Nite Owl]

2. Amen to that!

[Mojambo]

4. Many of those seats will be replaced with Republicans, but you know what? I'm fine with that.

I would rather have a truly united progressive party in the minority than what we have now.

[NYC Liberal]

9. Right wing Republicans in power

is never, ever a good thing.

[Odin2005]

27. RW Republicans are still in power right now via their DLC patsies.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

11. You'd rather be a beautiful loser.

Sorry been there done that.

[Mojambo]

16. A united progressive party can grow.

Can regain power.

What we have now. A corporate cancer eating away at the party... It's not working. It'll never work.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

29. Dude I've been hearing that shit since the 70's (nt)

[Mojambo]

34. As long as people are cool with having a corporate wing of the party

And goddamn, a lot of DUers are, then we'll never have the chance to grow a legitimate progressive party.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

39. What the fuck is this corporate wing of the party bullshit?

I don't generally agree with most corporate agenda but did you know many corporations have been ahead of the public at large on progressive issues?

Health insurance for employees goes back to WWII when there was a wage freeze going on.

Companies like Microsoft, AT&T, Verizon and Starbucks all have offered domestic partner benifits to same sex couples going back to the early 90's.

Let's stop the sloganeering and think a bit.

[Mojambo]

40. You don't think corporations have too much power and influence?

If not, then... wow.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

42. Your response evades what I said.

Why will you not acknowledge that some corporations do good things?

Just out of curiousity what do you do for a living?

Most people don't see corporations as the boogie man. Many like myself are employed by them.

What many don't like however is the attention paid to Wall Street over Main Street. That's where the Dems should focus. In the meantime we need to stop the circular firing squad.

[still_one]

15. Yeah, and that would get us what? Who do you want to exclude from the Democratic party

so we have YOUR ideal progressive party, which I am sure ALL Democrats will go along with, NOT

[Mojambo]

26. The corporatists.

It's a simple dividing line for me.

If you put the interests of multi-national corporations over the interests of the American people you shouldn't be in this party.

Go on over to the Republicans and we'll try and work with you where we can from over there.

[krabigirl]

32. Wow, and living in a Fascist theocracy to boot.

[still_one]

5. Interesting because that is the crap that was said when the left was losing elections for the

Democrats. Did you ever think that maybe if ALL the Democrats worked together maybe things would be different?

[Mojambo]

12. The problem is that the DLC and the "left" are working towards completely opposite ends.

There's no reconciling to be done.

[still_one]

18. Maybe for you, but there are issues that they can agree on /nt

[Roland99]

13. Anyone that puts corporate interests over American citizens is NOT a Democrat

[Mojambo]

20. And there is your dividing line.

Anyone on the other side needs to fuck off.

[still_one]

23. and who is going to remove those Democrats that you don't think are Democrats? /nt

[Roland99]

35. We'd like to hope the voting public. But they're too busy twittering & being hypnotized by Avatar.

[sandnsea]

38. When Democrats say the Pres is going to put people in jail

for not having health insurance, what the hell do people think is going to happen in an election.

[Teaser]

6. We progressives say this all the time

But I never see anyone actually try and primary the DLCers out. The sole exception was
Joe Lieberman, and that didn't go completely as planned.

Until this starts happening, I'll just have to consider the DLC a bogeyman progressives like to rail against but never actually try and do anything about.

Frankly progressives need to work on building up a bench in DLC politicians' districts and states. Which, as far as I've seen, hasn't been done.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

7. The Blame game

Maybe we need to step back and take a deep breath.

:grouphug:

[stray cat]

10. MA has voted so blame the voters who either didn't vote or voted for the GOP

and the same for 2010 and 2012 - the ones who deserve the blame for the GOP coming to power are those who don't turn out or don't vote dem - its really simple. People want the GOP more than they want dems.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

14. Thank you

+1

[sendero]

24. They voted that way..

... because they see no advantage to voting Dem and getting Repug policies anyway. In that case why not just vote your anger and disappointment? It's all about sending a message.

[Sebastian Doyle]

17. I only have one thing to add to this thread.

<--------- :grr:

[Individualist]

22. +1

:thumbsup:

[Raven]

19. I do not blame Coakley. I blame each and every one of us who

sit back and don't understand that this Country is going to Hell in a handbasket because of the far right religious wingnuts who are hyjacking out country before our very eyes...the haters are everywhere and we are looking to Washington for salvation. It is in our backyard, our towns...they have achieved just what they wanted to achieve...we sat on our asses. I see it here in NH with the free staters...everyone jokes about them but they are slowly, carefully cunningly dismantling our Democracy. We really have to wake up and drop the ideology and worry about the future.

[krabigirl]

30. Yep! I think it's beyond saving, but maybe I am wrong.

[Odin2005]

21. WE THE PEOPLE need to purge the DLC out of our parties in the primaries.

And Joe Loserman needs to be put into the stocks and humiliated.

We may loose some conservative seats to the Pukes, but I don't care, 51 progressives in control is better then 40 Pukes and 20 "Centrist" Dems being in control.

[krabigirl]

28. I blame the masses who believe everything the media shovels at them.

[RBInMaine]

31. Deleted

[RBInMaine]

33. BULLSHIT ! She ran a shitty campaign and LOST the middle you are crapping on. No sour grapes.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

37. Yep. Simple facts seems to buzz right over peoples heads around here.

[Bluenorthwest]

41. So they were trying for some vaporous 'middle' that turns out

to be a bunch of Republicans. Voters who are not yours can not be 'lost'. Those who would vote for Brown were always right wing and Republican at heart. No Democrat should be expecting votes from that 'middle'. Those are Republicans. And they voted in a way that proves it.
Democrats win by getting Democratic votes, not 'moderate' Republicans.