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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 09:52 PM
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Dean probably ready to "scream" again. Says quit blaming and get to work.
Edited on Tue Jan-19-10 09:55 PM by madfloridian
People who blame others are losers.

Former DNC Chair Howard Dean told Rachel Maddow on MSNBC moments ago that Democrats aren't necessarily to blame for what seems like a likely loss in today's special senate election in Massachusetts.

"I certainly don't think it's a referendum on President Obama," Dean said.

Maddow seemed to be surprised that Dean wasn't blaming Democrats for the Massachusetts race. "You're the only Democrat in politics right now who's saying anything like that," she said. "Democrats formed a circular firing squad over this election."

Maddow also called it "an incredible breakdown in party discipline."

Dean agreed, and suggested a new direction: "This is not the time for pointing the blame."

People who blame others are losers. If you want to win elections, you stop blaming and get to work."


Looking back at about a year ago when Dean stepped down as chairman of the party.

For his part, Dean relinquished the party reins he held for four years with a few cautionary words to the several hundred Democrats attending the party's winter meeting.

"We have together built our party into a national powerhouse but we have a lot of work to do because we have to keep it going," Dean said. "We can't appear complacent."


Indeed, complacency is an inherent risk for any party that has such a depth of power. Democrats now have control of the White House, expanded majorities in Congress and advantages in governor's mansions and state legislatures across the country.
Obama puts stamp on DNC


More...back from 2004

From page 100 of "You Have the Power"

"It has of course been in the interest of Republicans to stress self-reliance and individualism. That's the Frank Luntz way of packaging their economic plans to starve support for the needy.

But leaving people on their own to flounder and drown doesn't really reflect the values of most America. The policies based on this philosophy of social Darwinism haven't made American strong: they've made middle-class America weaker by draining resources away from families. By taking our own money away from civic life and community activism. By encouraging selfishness. By making people feel alone."


And why you are not hearing that much on the above topic from our Democrats....they are not willing to pay the price for the candor that will be needed to speak the truth.

We have a chance now to change this country. Guess what, we won. We won, folks. We do control both Houses. We have got to act like it.

Dean is out of national party leadership apparently now, and the very ones who encourage the catering to the right are the ones who have Obama's ear. That worries me.

From page 124 of "You Have the Power"

"For Democrats to offer voters a significant change over the long term, we need to say what we mean and not be afraid of the consequences. But there is a price to be paid for candor, and I and others inclined to speak our minds have discovered the hard way. There is no reward now in politics for saying what you think. On the contrary, in the get-along-go-along world of Washington, politicians are penalized for saying what they believe, and insincerity is the currency of our culture. (After I finished my campaign, I fully understood what Harry Truman had meant when he said, "If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog.")

America's politicians attack one another by day and slap one another on the back by evening. They can play this game because they know that their fighting words have no real meaning. And the media play right along, reporting on the game as though it were a story of substance. Indeed, the game becomes the story, and discussions of substance are relegated to a newspaper's inside pages if they are covered at all."

"What passes for news are stories of little lasting importance. My candor--like John McCain's in a previous election--was covered as a personality trait. We both endured "temperament" stories--and the issues we were candid about took a backseat. Candor ended up being a vulnerability for us as much as it was a virtue."


In the preface to the 2006 edition of his book he told about a speech he gave at GWU just before his decision to run for party chairman.

"On December 8, I went to George Washington University to give a speech about the future of the Democratic Party. I wanted to answer what had become the two prevailing schools of thought on our electoral losses: that we would need to move to the center, and that we would need to retake the issue of values. I told the assembled crowd, "There's only one thing Republican power brokers want more than for us to lurch to the left, and that's for us to lurch to the right. What they fear most is that we may really begin fighting for what we believe -- the fiscally responsible, socially progressive values for which Democrats have always stood and fought."





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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:07 PM
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1. They will probably blame "the liberals".
Or "the left"

I hope not, but they probably will. :shrug:
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:14 PM
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2. Well, darling Howard, quit hanging with Mc5PLANEs ---------- K?!1 n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 11:10 PM
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3. I have no clue what that means. But when the party leaders shut Dean out....
they sent us a message about their direction. Unfortunately.

Your post is nonsensical to me.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 11:12 PM
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4. time to get to work putting Dr Dean back in the job
Tim Kaine has to go along with Rahm
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 11:15 PM
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5. I don't completely agree. You need to understand why you failed before you "get to work"
Democrats could "get to work" doing the same corporate capitluating shit that helped bring them to this humiliation in the first place, or they could use this slap in the face wake-up call as a moment to do some soul searching and figure out what has gone wrong with their direction.... then GET TO WORK IN CORRECTING IT.

Don't misunderstand, I can agree that the petty public recriminations about the campaign itself are childish and unhelpful. As long as that's all Dean is talking about, cool. But Democrats need to have a conversation with themselves about how their strategy and direction is failing.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 11:20 PM
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6. He said the party needed to be tougher.
That's about as close as he will come to be critical of Obama. There is still too much chairman in him to be too outspoken.

I am sure he is addressing his remarks to Rahm who blamed Coakley.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 11:55 PM
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8. I don't think Obama should be the focus of criticism.
I think the criticism is broader than one man, even if that man is the President.

The Democratic Party leadership seems to have the philosophy that it wins when it capitulates and when it tries to bring everyone along and hold some claim to this murky middle by trying to give everyone on the right what they want...

....it doesn't work, and I believe its a turn-off with many independent voters who vote for guts and courageous leadership. Almost more than they care where someone is leading they want people to actually lead, because they are tired of the stuck in neutral beltway politics of consensus, conformity and compromise (yes I know some strategic compromising is always a part of politics, but what is called "compromise" in DC currently is more like total capitulation.

And of course, at the same time its turning off independents, it is infuriating the base. That only leaves the conservative constituency which Democrats were never going to win over anyway.

Democrats current governing philosophy is a LOSER of a strategy. They have to wake-up to this reality and start showing some political courage.
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 11:22 PM
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7. After I finish mourning
Then to find the most progressive candidate I can for 2012.
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:10 AM
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9. Far be it for me to walk down memory lane....
But I was a Deanie in 2004. It's amazing how much brutalization this guy takes, and he is almost always right.

Thanks, Howard, for speaking the truth again. But don't look anytime soon for you to be taken seriously in the circular firing squad known as The Democratic Party.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:42 AM
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10. Yes, he just gets brutalized and comes back for more...
because he started out with a cause that is being watered down. He started running for president because of health care. He has a passion that other Democrats seem to be missing.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:01 AM
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12. And I kinda liked the Dean Scream.
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 01:44 AM
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11. Coakley should have gotten herself to work instead of going on vacation
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 10:51 AM
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13. He's a good leader.
We need him now more than ever.
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Edgewater_Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 10:54 AM
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14. And Remember: Rahm Made Sure Dean WASN'T In The Cabinet
Anyone think things would be different if Dean were HHS Secretary?

Rahm. Must. GO.
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