1994... I suggest all the blind partisans round these parts brush up

[nadinbrzezinski]

on that history.

There is that level of disillusionment. You may say that patience is not in the Murican character...

But we have even seen it here... you know the moonbat lefty battles vs the centrist DLC crowd... I tend to stay out of them because BOTH sides here are dug in...

Well, in the real world where I live, it also exists... I hear it. This is Massachusetts, one thing people do NOT want to see is that part of the message comes from Brown's campaign... we cannot have higher taxes... and like lemmings many folks walk down that pier... ah propaganda.

But I suggest to all of you to brush up on 1994... because that is the mood right now, like it or not. And I can already hear it... a CONTRACT with America... brush up on that...

By the way, they CAN pass a bill, even a good bill, but there is the choice... continue to reach out to Republicans, the DLC way, or not...

1994... think about it.

We gave them the tools...

November could be a damn bloodbath...

Oh and to those moonbat lefties... it is time to like oh organize...

We are stuck with this very broken system...

[BrklynLiberal]

1. Scary shit.

:scared:

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Yes, scary shit

and we just left a slight move to the left, the rightward turn if the righties take it... will make the Bush years look like ah liberal...

I am not trying to push the FEAR button by the way, I am sure the Republicans will, mostly they do.

[notesdev]

3. I told them this at least 8 months ago

People don't want to hear it.

The electorate isn't stupid... they know that thousand page bills get that way because they're loaded with payoffs and favors, and they're more than a bit tired of paying for that kind of shit, especially in the middle of the second fucking great depression!!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. I know that, and I have said it in the past

but partisans are partisans are partisans...

Truth be told the Democratic party is a broad coalition, which has its good things and its bad things.

The good thing is that you can get a majority.

The bad is that we really have a Progressive branch, that is what the people want, but a conservative branch that controls the party.

It is truly having Joe Lieberman (I know officially independent, but still), or Ben Nelson, in the same damn party as... Dennis Kucinich. I know for a fact those people do not agree on the time of day... why? Their supporters don't.

So the choice for the President and the leadership is quite simple... tack right... or tack left. They tack right (almost my bet here due to recent history) they will loose the house, perhaps the senate. Tack left... they will still loose some seats, I don't know how many. It is a midterm after all.

[ShortnFiery]

5. Understood. We have more to worry about than Parties, but Nuclear War?

This article was written during the Presidential Campaign in 2004, but is equally apt today.

http://www.counterpunch.org/kuzminski08182004.html

Especially the following excerpts:

What is likely is the continued consolidation of the right-wing duopoly, most evident in the erosion of civil liberties and the war on terrorism. Somewhere along the line, America lost its political freedom without even realizing it. The last meaningful opposition to the duopoly was perhaps Ross Perot's presidential candidacy in 1992. His presence in the presidential debates and his subsequent garnering of almost twenty percent of the vote -- in spite of dropping out of the race and then reentering it -- may be the most underappreciated event in recent American political history. Perot was no social activist liberal, but he showed what an open political process might achieve. Afterward, the duopoly regrouped and created a rigged, 'bi-partisan,' corporate-sponsored debate commission dedicated to making sure that no third party candidate would ever again enjoy such exposure to the voters.

The coming darkness is the eclipse of American political freedom and the unchecked reign of a venal, arrogant, and ignorant ruling class. Onerous as its depredations at home are likely to be, even more omnious is its immoral, illegal, and criminal policy of preemptive war abroad -- a policy fully endorsed by Kerry. There is no end to the war on terrorism, since a terrorist is increasingly defined as anyone who opposes the duopoly at home or abroad.

It has always been madness to try to remould the world in one's image, as we see most recently in the war in Iraq, but it is a vastly greater madness in a nuclear age. The lesson of 9/11 was that resentments born of decades if not centuries of perceived wrongs will find their target if those wrongs are not addressed. The ultimate equalizer, in our time, is the nuclear bomb and this the terrorists will sooner or later obtain and use if they continue to be provoked. This will be the final, bitter fruit of the loss of our political freedom, and it will be made the ultimate justification for the tyranny now established upon us.

In a dark age, it is the responsibility of those who care about things like political freedom and democracy to struggle to ensure that those values somehow survive and are transmitted to future generations, even if they can no longer play an effective public role, much as the monks of the middle ages preserved the learning of antiquity for a better day. That day will come, but likely not in our time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. kick

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Oh my Arianna did you read this post? Or like we think alike?

The latter... most likely.

[ProSense]

8. All midterms, except one or two (in second terms), for nearly six decades have been massacres. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. I know but this is more like oh 1994 than other midterms

[sabrina 1]

10. People tried to warn them, the leadership I mean

Their response was to tell the base they didn't matter, their ideas would be ignored and they should just STFU.

They ignored people who have been successful at getting Dems elected, in fact Obama, rather than admonishing Rahm Emanuel for abusing the people who elected them, admonished instead, Howard Dean.

I agree that the Democratic Wing of the party (or leftie moonbats or whatever you want to call them) has to organize in order to fight the Republican Wing of the Party (the DLC) whose ideas are turning off not just Democrats, but the Independents and moderate Republicans who crossed over to vote for Dems last Fall, because they don't want Republican ideas, but that is what we are getting from the DLC which now has a stronghold on the party.

They are organized, the Democratic wing of the party has just been following along reluctantly. Now is the time, if we are to prevent a political bloodbath in Nov., to start organizing too. No more 'lesser evil' voting. We need to start rallying around good candidates like Marcy Winograd who is a target of the DLC right now.

I've learned one thing from all of this. Before supporting another presidential candidate, I will want to know who they are planning to have in their cabinet and who will be their COS.

I wish Mike Capuano had won the primary. Progressives could have gotten enthusiastic about him. The fact that there was no big campaign for the primaries, was a failure on someone's part.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. And I don't think Capuano would have taken a vacation either

or taken the seat for granted.

I know, and many of us warned of this many a times... well roosts come to mind.

[sabrina 1]

12. I agree. He is great on the issues. I didn't even know he was

running. Something went wrong at that stage of election imho.

I just read that only 34% of the people of Mass. support the Health Care Bill. Maybe because they've seen part of it in action in their own state.

Capuano was for real health care reform. I read tonight that if he had won the primary, he would have easily beaten Brown. The progressives who didn't show up to campaign might have done so if he had been the candidate. No one was enthusiastic about Coakley. I know I wasn't, I hoped she's win, but only because of not wanting a Repub. to win. But if it had been Mike Capuano, I definitely would have been far more excited.

If Dean had been running things, I think we would have heard a lot more about the primaries.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. I am seriously reaching for the tinfoil

it is like they want to lose...

[sabrina 1]

14. Or could it be that they really thought they could

drag people along with these unpopular policies using the momentum of the presidential election? I heard David Gergen tonight trying to analyze what happened. His take was that 'the Democratic agenda was not really heard' iow, they had not been out there promoting their agenda enough. All I could think of was, who pays him for these opinions? It is exactly the opposite of what he said. It IS the agenda that is causing the anger that has lost them three Democratic public offices so far. NJ, Virginia and now this.

Either they DO want to lose, or they are not very bright and have completely underestimated the American people's ability to recognize when their government cares more about corporate interests than theirs.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Exactly and they are about to

disappoint bad... and people are just going for the OTHER guy...

People vote on emotion too

[Grand Taurean]

15. Is it fair to say that Capuano is a political streetfighter

seeing that he is from a city?

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. She was experienced... so they say

but I get your point, should have been outsider vs outsider. Oh well

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Kick