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Tue Jan-19-10 10:42 PM
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The Mass. Senate race would be a repudiation of liberal policies IF... |
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...Obama were a liberal but he's not. Seems to me that the folks with experience under Romney-care, a system similar to that the Obama admin is pushing hard, could be perceived as rejecting that. The big problem with that projection is that the corporate-friendly Massachusetts plan is a product from the other side of the aisle, from the man to whom the GOP is going to pin their national hopes in 2012.
Slowly but surely some folks are waking up to the negligible differences in the politicians, to the fact that both sides of the aisle are screwing the citizenry as fast as they can because bribery is legal now.
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:43 PM
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1. Dems seem to be making the opposite interpretation. nt |
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:56 PM
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13. Yes, and they do so at their peril. |
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The longer it takes them to figure this out, the bloodier it's going to get for them.
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:43 PM
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2. I thought Mass has health care |
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and is afraid they'll lose what they have with the federal plan.
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:57 PM
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15. The 'cadillac' tax scares them. The 'C' tax will affect blue states more than Red. nt |
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Tue Jan-19-10 11:01 PM
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17. Yeah, to pay for lazy people |
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I read that on a board somewhere. They'll pass the insurance tax on to consumers, just like they'll pass the bank tax on to consumers. That's why they're against both of them.
And you are too, right?
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Tue Jan-19-10 11:11 PM
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20. That's a hot topic in Mass, and NY where they have higher and more expensive HC requirements.. nt |
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Tue Jan-19-10 11:18 PM
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21. Hmm, between this & #19 |
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It appears Mass made the right decision, according to some around here.
So these swing Brown voters - you agree that they should oppose the bank tax too, if all taxes on big corporations just get passed on to the consumer. That's probably another reason Coakley lost, she supported that big bank tax.
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Tue Jan-19-10 11:24 PM
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22. No, that's not what I'm saying at all. nt |
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:58 PM
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16. The set up MA has.... |
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is the exact shit the Senate is trying to foist upon us. Forced payments to private insurance.
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Tue Jan-19-10 11:03 PM
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They're afraid a federal plan will cost more and cover less. They're not objecting to subsidizing the private insurance system.
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Tue Jan-19-10 11:07 PM
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19. Then no wonder they voted for a Republican. n/t |
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:44 PM
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Obama is a big liberal. Unfortunately he is not the leader we thought he was. Can't even get our own party on board. Darn
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:45 PM
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Edited on Tue Jan-19-10 10:45 PM by jgraz
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:44 PM
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4. It's a repudiation of weak centrism. |
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:44 PM
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5. To some extent that's the problem. |
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It's a repudiation (again, to some extent) of his policies. The problem is that SOME of the voters were upset that they were too far left, and the others were upset that they were too far right.
And because of a lack of reliable exit polling, we'll likely never know how many were on each side.
And people thought that Social Security was the 3rd rail of politics.
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:49 PM
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9. I really think those who would say he is too far left are listening to right wing spin |
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I think they wouldn't know a left wing policy if it knocked 'em over the head. How would they? When was the last time we saw any really liberal legislation in this country? I mean unambiguous, life changing, liberal policy?
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:56 PM
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14. It doesn't have to be unambiguously liberal |
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it just needs to be to the left of where they want to go.
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:45 PM
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7. he's perceived by most people as a liberal. |
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:52 PM
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10. Yeah, but that's a shame. Policies considered liberal today are to the right of Eisenhower and Nixon |
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11. Only by the foolish or the willfully ignorant... |
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...How much more proof do you need than the actions and words of his own people?
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