Is healthcare reform to the left what abortion limits are to the right?

[Stinky The Clown]

By that I mean a wish if the people that the power structure waves at us to entice us to support them.

Many of us have more or less laughed at the right wing anti choicers who get punked year after year with lip service to curtailing of abortion. But are we getting the same shell game with respect to health care reform?

Today we're hearing indications that we need to simply settle for less in order to get a start at *someting*.

Why does that sound as if it is in the best interests of the power structure hungry to have something - anything - to crow about than it sounds like something that will benefit us peons and pissants?

It Didn't Have To Be This Way™

[johnfunk]

1. No. It's like comparing apples and vibrators

[Hello_Kitty]

2. Actually, the right has done a helluva job limiting access to abortion

Hyde Amendment, parental notification laws, "partial birth" abortion bans, conscience clauses, etc. etc. They haven't overturned Roe v. Wade but they've made major dents in the right to choose.

[Stinky The Clown]

3. Those major dents are generally worth more as symbols than as meaningful limits

And you make the point I would make about where we're going with health care. Enough to hold a party and crown about. No enough to give us real relief.

[Hello_Kitty]

4. What??

Stinky, everything I mentioned is a meaningful limit on access to abortion.

[Stinky The Clown]

5. I agree ...... but ......

..... they're chips around the edges.

Generally, we want single payer. They want abortion to be illegal. Criminalizing abortion has a better chace at passing ..... yet they never go for it.

Yes, the points you raise are real limits. But they're not the holy grail.