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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 11:44 AM
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Today Dream
When John Lennon traveled to Canada, he met Marshall McLuhan at the University of Toronto. McLuhan, a wordsmith intent on displaying his imagined superiority, started their conversation by saying he believed language was a form of organized stuttering, which was stretched into harmonious patterns in music. Hoping to put Lennon on the spot, he asked John for his view?

“Language and song to me,” Lennon responded, “ apart from being pure vibrations, is just like trying to describe a dream. And because we don't have telepathy, we try to describe the dream to each other, to verify to each other what we know, what we believe to be inside each other. And stuttering is riight – because we can't say it. No matter how you say it, it's never how you want to say it.”

I think that John did justice to the art of communication. So much so, in fact, that in the sense that human beings use symbolism to communicate what they know, and what they believe is inside of each other, John Lennon and his music are symbolic of concepts ranging from personal growth to the quest for world peace. Hence, in my attempt today, to communicate an internal and eternal vibration, I hope that this Lennon quote will help to explain the shortcomings in this essay.

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The first month of 2010, while not yet over, has been eventful. Three things, which I believe are related, come to mind: the tragic events in Haiti; this week's election to fill the seat of the late Senator Ted Kennedy; and the holiday honoring Martin Luther King, Jr.

The events in Haiti bring two things to mind. First, as advanced as the human race has become in terms of technology, we still inhabit a planet upon which nature is the first law. Second, the response to the human tragedy illustrates the wide range of human potential – from the most decent and concerned efforts to help members of the human family, to the vile and evil rants coming from some of the self-righteous fools in our nation. In the past, I've spoken of Malcolm X's lesson about placing a clean glass of water next to a filthy one, and trusting that thirsty people will make the right choice. Few examples of clean and filthy water have been placed before the public as these.

This week's election means many different things to many people. In my opinion, the Democratic Party did not have a clean enough glass of water to place before the public, to demonstrate how dirty the republican glass was. In order to convince the public of the significant differences that each party represents, we need not only to improve on our communication skills, but we need to produce a sparkling clean glass of water.

Dr. King was a master of communication. His genius went far beyond the ability to deliver a moving speech. He put himself on the line, advocating for those marginalized by society, and exposing the hypocrisy of a system that oppresses human beings. Perhaps his greatest insight was that those who hate – and the urge to oppress others, like the emotions that would justify not helping the needy in Haiti, are 100% rooted in hatred – do severe damage to themselves, in the context of creating roadblocks to both individual and group advances towards human potential.

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I was in the nearest Barnes & Noble bookstore at the beginning of the week, buying a selection of reading material to last me through the end of the month. One of the things that I found interesting was that, in the religious and philosophy sections, there were no books by or about Martin Luther King, Jr. Odd, that, considering that he was the most influential religious philosopher in our nation's history. Of course, I was able to find “King books” in the section where “minority studies” were kept. Although we celebrate King's life with a holiday, his message continues to be marginalized.

When I think of King today, in the context of current events, I try to focus on his teachings about the power of love and forgiveness. It is a sparkling glass of clean water, that a thirsty culture desperately needs to drink from.

Part of that message is as difficult as it is important to take hold of. This is no coincidence, for King was not seeking to set an example in an easy or unimportant way. I love how he explained his interpretation of Jesus's message to “love your enemies.” King relied upon the Greek language to communicate this concept. There are three words that describe love: eros, or romantic love; philia, which is the level of love between personal relationships with those close to you; and agape, which is different than romantic or personal relationship love. King described agape as “understanding, creative, redemptive, good will to all men.” King himself did not “like” his enemies. He had some hilarious things to say about men like Eugene “Bull” Connor, in private among his friends. But he had a love of mankind that included his enemies.

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As I walked through the aisles of the bookstore, I was reminded of something that one of my favorite authors, Erich Fromm, had noted more than fifty years ago. There were a large number of books in the “Christian” section of religious books, that focus on how to get rich by way of Christian principles. To say that these are filthy glasses of water is an understatement. They go far beyond merely missing the mark: they are blasphemous. However, as tempting as it is to continue on this line of thought, and risk having my OP placed in DU's religion & philosophy aisle, I'll go back to Fromm.

Erich Fromm was, of course, a noted psychiatrist and sociologist. His writings, many of which are being re-published, attempt to communicate avenues that lead to personal and community/national “sanity.” While I strongly recommend that people read his books, I am obligated to warn you that his enemies called him a socialist and an atheist. So be careful, especially when reading his views on the power of the teachings of Jesus and other great teachers in human history.

Fromm, like King, recognized that individuals experience “love” on various levels. Infants experience what is known as a narcissistic form of love: everything is self-centered, with an inability to recognize any distinction from self. This is a healthy, natural stage of human development. However, when narcissistic love continues beyond the stage of infancy, it is a pathology. And an unattractive one, at that. More, this pathology does severe damage when it is manifest on a national level, when it promotes “leaders” such as George W. Bush or Pat Robertson.

Fromm also wrote about the levels of love associated with family and friends, and romantic love. In terms of romantic love, he notes that the sensations associated with it will fade, unless the individual advances to a mature love of the significant other.

And he also writes about the type of love of mankind, including one's enemies, that King spoke of. In the same way as King, he does not advocate that people like those who are their enemies. While in some cases, a formerly hostile relationship can evolve into a friendship, in numerous other cases, this is not going to happen. It would be both unrealistic and another stumbling block to an advance in human progress, to expect that to happen.

Yet the greatest stumbling block to individual and group advancement is the toxic ball & chain of hatred. This does not mean “hating” injustice. It is about hating other people. The extreme example of a hateful person, Fromm points out, is the narcissistic individual. And, again not by coincidence, the narcissist always, at the deepest level, has either a self-hatred, or an absence of the ability to love anyone, including themselves.

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Both King and Fromm recognized that an individual infected by hatred is incapable of reaching their full human potential, in terms of mental health. Likewise, they knew that a society infected with hatred was equally incapable of reaching its potential, including being what Fromm termed a “sane society.”

I suspect that the vast majority of people are aware that our society is not healthy. And the level of disease, or pathology, is not based upon things such as earthquakes, which are beyond our control. The sickness is found in the way some people react to things such as the earthquake in Haiti, or the violence in Afghanistan, or the needless suffering found in communities across our country.

We need to offer that clean glass of water. It cannot have a film of corporate corruption, such as that which the “leaders” of our party so often serve up in Washington. It cannot have particles of hatred floating in it. No, instead we need to offer our society the same transforming drink that King served.

Just as individuals and groups of good will have assisted our brothers and sisters in Haiti, we need to offer our country that same type of assistance. Without the filth that contaminates Washington, as well as state and local government. I am still convinced that there is a need, for example, for an up-dated version of King's planned 1968 Poor People's Campaign, to communicate the reality of injustice and suffering in America. After events in 2009, I think the time is ripe for this. Maybe it's just a dream. Even if that's all it is, I thank you for taking the time to read this. I hope that I have been able to communicate what I believe, and what I think is inside each one of us.

Peace,
H2O Man
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 11:54 AM
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1. What a beautiful post. Thank you. nt
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:16 PM
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3. Thank you
for reading it, and responding.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:01 PM
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2. Thank you! Hope you are feeling better these days. nt
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:18 PM
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4. Thanks.
I'm feeling okay. I saw a doctor yesterday, and told her that one of my goals was to be a tough, cranky old man .... but I can deal with just being a cranky old man.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:19 PM
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5. ok
Edited on Thu Jan-21-10 12:20 PM by bigtree
recommended

I think about the president's cup (and many of our Democratic legislators') . . . and why they often have the impulse to dilute what they insist are absolute principles of theirs with the 'dirty water' of the obstructionist, duplicitous opposition. I'm looking for more courage shown from them of their own convictions.


something from Martin:

... If we are wrong, the Supreme Court of this nation is wrong. If we are wrong, the Constitution of the United States is wrong. And if we are wrong, God Almighty is wrong. If we are wrong, Jesus of Nazareth was merely a utopian dreamer that never came down to Earth. If we are wrong, justice is a lie, love has no meaning.


and this from MLK (more to your point, I think):

Power properly understood is nothing but the ability to achieve purpose. It is the strength required to bring about social, political and economic change. ... Now a lot of us are preachers, and all of us have our moral convictions and concerns, and so often have problems with power. There is nothing wrong with power if power is used correctly. You see, what happened is that some of our philosophers got off base. And one of the great problems of history is that the concepts of love and power have usually been contrasted as opposites — polar opposites — so that love is identified with a resignation of power, and power with a denial of love.

It was this misinterpretation that caused Nietzsche, who was a philosopher of the will to power, to reject the Christian concept of love. It was this same misinterpretation which induced Christian theologians to reject the Nietzschean philosophy of the will to power in the name of the Christian idea of love. Now, we've got to get this thing right. What is needed is a realization that power without love is reckless and abusive, and love without power is sentimental and anemic. Power at its best is love implementing the demands of justice, and justice at its best is power correcting everything that stands against love. And this is what we must see as we move on . . .
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:22 PM
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6. Right.
The word "power" comes from the root "posse," which means "to possess the ability." I think we need to stop giving "power" to politicians, and expecting them to exercise it in any meaningfully decent way. We need to exercise that power within ourselves, both individually, and as a united front.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:31 PM
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7. On This Day Of All Days I Needed This
Edited on Thu Jan-21-10 12:46 PM by Me.
As furious as I am about the filthy glass being placed before us. Perhaps you will see another campaign like the one from '68 when people realize that the so called entitlements have been placed in jeopardy.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 08:01 AM
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17. 1968
I found two books on the "stacks" .... combined, they would have been $75, but on sale totaled $14. One is on LBJ, one on Nixon. There is a lot of information on '68 in them that I'm reading now.

The difference between then and now, in terms of primaries, is that there were actually numerous distinct, solid choices among the candidates then. Today, we have more of the lower-level, plastic candidates to choose from.

Yet there are other dynamics from that period that may be worthy of study today.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 10:26 AM
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29. The Scarcity Of Real Candidates
A field of leaders is mind-boggling. Thinking back to Mitt, Rudy, Huckabee and McSame (who I predict will lose his seat) it's unvelievable tat any of them was thought suitable.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:36 PM
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8. oh.... my, my,...
your words are far more than stuttering H20man-
So timely, so nourishing,
water poured out on this thirsty soul

thank you.

(I'd just been reading some of Dr.Kings words this morning- and these stood out as particularly profound-)

"A true revolution of values will soon cause us to question the fairness and justice of many of our past and present policies. On the one hand we are called to play the good Samaritan on life's roadside; but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life's highway.
True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it is not haphazard and superficial. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring.
A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth. With righteous indignation, it will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say: "This is not just." It will look at our alliance with the landed gentry of Latin America and say: "This is not just." The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just......." MLKjr. 1967

please continue to share your beautiful wisdom- You help to ground and focus me- :hug:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 08:17 AM
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19. King knew
that the machine known as the US government was so powerful, that it could destroy almost any type of citizen-action that aimed to gain human rights for oppressed people. He likewise knew that there was one tactic that was so powerful that it could transform any government reaction to the civil rights movement. We're at that same place, today. Though we may wish it were not so, or that we had many different options, this is the reality of now.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 01:07 PM
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9. .
:kick:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 03:35 PM
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10. but don't we get to hate the Sharks?
you know, those vile, hateful, bigotted and despicable people on the other side? It is good and proper to hate them, no? And trolls too, especially trolls. And moderates, too, a useless bunch of enablers for the Sharks. It's okay to hate them too, isn't it? Or, more than okay, it is a virtue.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 04:00 PM
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11. I'll just kick this back to the front page
and pretend that somebody replied to me.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 08:18 AM
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20. Atlantic
or Pacific?

As always, you raise valid points. Thanks.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 08:26 PM
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32. I was thinking mostly of land sharks
although Atlantic sharks would definitely be in Jet territory.

Maybe I should not speak in code. I am trying to advance the metaphor of the Jets as the left and DUers and the Sharks as the right and FReepers. As rivals gangs we are both encouraged to hate 'the other', to see them as mentally or morally defective.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 04:01 PM
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12. another k&r
thank you
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 08:19 AM
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21. And you!
Thanks.
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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 08:55 PM
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13. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and knowledge. K & R
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 08:20 AM
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22. I like the Einstein quote.
I think it sums up what I attempted to say, but in a much clearer way.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 11:17 PM
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14. K
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:46 AM
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15. "It is no measure of health ...
... to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." ~~ Jiddu Krishnamurti

Very inspiring article. Thank you.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 08:22 AM
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23. In Fromm's best book,
Edited on Fri Jan-22-10 08:23 AM by H2O Man
(at least in my opinion), "The Sane Society," he notes that in a culture where the majority suffer from various pathologies, those who are healthy will appear as oddballs.

On edit: I'm not sure if that is why I am generally considered an oddball. But I'd like to think so.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:01 PM
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30. You are definitely an oddball. So there! nt
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:13 AM
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16. Thank you for, over so many years, serving as a truth-teller.
Edited on Fri Jan-22-10 04:14 AM by ConsAreLiars
Small truths that show the whole, like a a walk or talk with a child, and those that are also as revealing at the very large scale view you present here.

Although I am an oldster now, and many people, all around the planet, have taught me much I value, you are the first I have regarded as an "elder." Thank you.

(edit mis-type)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 08:27 AM
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24. Thank you very much.
I am still friends with a teacher that I had in high school. At times, I ask her help as an editor. At those times, I often note that I am requesting her help, because I tend to think I have trouble in communicating what I think. She tells me that my communication skills are not the issue. Instead, she says that my works will simply never be appreciated, until after I'm dead. Of course, I'm not so starved for appreciation that I have any plans for that!

Anyhow, I am happy to read your response. It means a lot to me. And I do plan to print it out, and show it to my friend the next time I see her.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 08:14 AM
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18. Sometimes, separation creates problems such as you found
at the bookstore and influences how people see things or categorize people and events.

"I was in the nearest Barnes & Noble bookstore at the beginning of the week, buying a selection of reading material to last me through the end of the month. One of the things that I found interesting was that, in the religious and philosophy sections, there were no books by or about Martin Luther King, Jr. Odd, that, considering that he was the most influential religious philosopher in our nation's history. Of course, I was able to find “King books” in the section where “minority studies” were kept. Although we celebrate King's life with a holiday, his message continues to be marginalized."


Also, I believe we must correct the problem you mention here with what you suggest:


"We need to offer that clean glass of water. It cannot have a film of corporate corruption, such as that which the “leaders” of our party so often serve up in Washington. It cannot have particles of hatred floating in it. No, instead we need to offer our society the same transforming drink that King served."

You have a touch of writing for the right things with the right words. Some of us, myself included, get voted down here because we are not so elegant.

Thank you for this.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 08:31 AM
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25. I suspect that
my frequent quoting/paraphrasing of people such as Lennon, King, and Fromm might be mistaken for insight on my part, or even for personal communication skills.

Having a serious message get voted down on DU seems a common experience. Having it largely ignored falls into the same area. Yet, the core group that both you and I belong to on this forum must continue to press ahead, both here and beyond this forum.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 08:35 AM
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26. You may quote great people but you have a gift as well.
We'll keep fighting the good fight.
:thumbsup:
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 08:52 AM
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27. Thank you
It's good to see you posting again H2O Man :-).

If we could ever abolish greed and fear in this society and others, we could take a giant leap forward in allowing our compassion to break through. We (as a nation) were so brainwashed and beaten up by the last eight years, allowing those in power to reach into the most basic human emotions and polluting that glass of water.

I think President Obama is the first step in cleaning up that pollution and offering hope. It will take time.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 09:03 AM
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28. Peace and a Sane Society to You, H20 Man.
Thanks infinitely for the insight from King, Fromm and yourself. As a Roman Catholic, I very much appreciate seeing the Christian philosophy so well-expressed. By way of reminder, the Golden Rule is a constant in all -- or as many as I've studied -- the world's religions. Even those "primitives" examined by Frazer in "The Golden Bough" reveal universalities of treatment for the other.

Our society is indeed sick. Most people, I believe, don't notice the insanity, thinking: "That's the way it is," and cope by going crazy themselves. Others are aware something is wrong, but they think: "What can I do about it?" A few know the system is crazy, Joseph Heller's Yossarian in "Catch-22," who realize they are not nuts -- the war is both insane and evil.

Thank you for putting "it" into words: Peace, Love and Understanding is what life is, in essence, about. Treating others with compassion will change the world into something wonderful. Please know that is why your outstanding essay is as important and meaningful as any ever written or read.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:33 PM
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31. One of my biggest frustrations
is in seeing how the vast majority of people in this country treat the MLK Holiday as something for *only* black people.

MLK's teachings had something for the AMERICAN people and people the world over. All of us. I am so grateful that I actually met a (white) professor who recognized that. And I was shocked when he admitted that, because my experience of that kind of encounter is so rare. He considered MLK a modern day prophet - not in the mystical, religious sense, but in how prescient his insights were.

I wish his studies were in the philosophy sections of the bookstore too, instead of being 'segregated' to the ethnic studies section. But...that's by design.
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