Hugo Chavez says US 'weapon' caused Haiti quake

[Cali_Democrat]

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=116688§ionid=351020704

Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez Wednesday accused the United States of causing the destruction in Haiti by testing a 'tectonic weapon' to induce the catastrophic earthquake that hit the country last week.

President Chavez said the US was "playing God" by testing devices capable of creating eco-type catastrophes, the Spanish newspaper ABC quoted him as saying.

A 7.0-magnitude quake rattled the desperately poor country on January 12, killing an estimated 100,000 to 200,000 people. As Haiti looks to the world for basic sustenance, the authorities say the biggest dangers facing survivors are untreated wounds and rising disease.

Following the quake, appeals for humanitarian aid were responded to globally. However, the nation is struggling with violence and looting as aid is still not enough for the tens of thousands left homeless and injured.

Chavez said the killer earthquake followed a test of "weapon of earthquakes" just offshore from Haiti. He did not elaborate on the source of his claim.

Read more at link.

[Arkana]

1. I really don't know how anyone can defend Chavez after this.

He's a loon and a demagogue.

[Meshuga]

7. It's going to happen pretty soon

Keep watching the thread.

[Hissyspit]

94. Yeah, watching the thread.

It's full of people who immediately recognized that it was a questionable source and that it seems to be a false accusation.

[EFerrari]

68. Because there is no evidence he said it?

And because you should really know enough by now to notice the source is presstv?

[Renew Deal]

2. Why do people use Iranian sources on DU?

Isn't there anything more local?

And Chavez is clearly a paranoid lunatic.

[Cali_Democrat]

6. Found it searching Google news.

Sorry

[Renew Deal]

8. It's not just you.

It happens too often and always with sensational stories.

[slackmaster]

3. VISIONARIO! GENIO! Viva Chavez!

:nuke:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

4. He gets nuttier by the day. He sounds like he may have had a psychotic break.

[Warpy]

10. I think so, too

The stress of parading on TV for several hours every day has finally gotten him to snap completely.

Well, that plus the loss of popularity because of the paperwork bottleneck that has stymied his land reforms, making it impossible for people with new land to get loans for seeds to plant crops on it.

[EFerrari]

69. Have you run down the sources of this story? It looks like it's not true.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7532917

[Warpy]

71. I went as far as reading the Venezuelan press and it's not there

as I noted in that thread.

[EFerrari]

72. The Ven info office posted a report from the Russian Navy

without any comment from the president. Then, at some point the story was pulled.

There is no evidence that Chavez made that claim or, what he thinks about it, for that matter. The ABC Spanish paper does not quote him and the video does not show him making the statement.

What is really strange is that Russian teevee used the Spanish paper as a source for a story about the Russian Navy's report. lol

[laughingliberal]

39. Perhaps but there have been credible sources in the past who foresaw capablility to do this

From the article:

Former US Secretary of Defense William Cohen in 1997 expressed concerned over countries engaging "in eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves."


http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=116688

Seems far fetched but there is some indication that this capability could exist. Or did Cohen just watch too much Sci-Fi as Secretary of Defense? Chavez does seem to be having an increased level of anxiety. I probably would, too, if the US was building 6 military bases right next door to me.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

43. Almost any tool can be used for good and evil.

We have experimented with weather modification since 1903. They capability to do it consistently could be a fantastic tool or a horrific weapon.

[laughingliberal]

51. True, just all depends on who holds the controls. nt

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

61. Very true.

[happy_liberal]

66. +10000

I think many of the naysayers here have not looked into the history of HAARP.

[truedelphi]

126. And then that really annoyingly short and elfish guy Kucinich,

Had his staff labor on and put into print his concerns.

Involving a bill that was watered down so the initial cutting edge elements were removed in order to0g et some type of bill enacted: (Note reference to Tectonic weapons)

In memory of H.R. 3616 -- author Dennis Kucinich)
A bill that authorized that the military back away from the following:

Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;

(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

(v) laser weapons systems;

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons

[slackmaster]

47. He's the closest thing the Western Hemisphere has to Kim Jong Il

He provides tons of entertainment almost daily!

[Warpy]

5. Shut up, Hugo

After all, if the US had such a thing, you'd be swimming for the last 5 years because Venezuela would have been dumped into the sea during the Stupid administration.

[no_hypocrisy]

9. Chavez is sounding more and more like Art Bell.

[yailbloor]

16. Soooo....

.... this means Obama is Lex Luther?

[no_hypocrisy]

32. Welcome to DU.

Just saying that if you're up at 3 a.m. and hear Hugo Chavez on Coast to Coast as a special guest, I predicted it first.

[proteus_lives]

119. Fanboy here.

It's Lex Luthor.

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[no_hypocrisy]

40. OTOH, one could make a tin foil premise that Chavez said that because

the CIA purposely put out misinformation for his benefit, knowing that he'd believe it. And the CIA would find the mole who's been leaking information to Venezuela.

[brendan120678]

11. "Weapon of Earthquakes".....

[Cali_Democrat]

15. LOL!!

nt

[Hissyspit]

12. Source is questionable. One poster already took this down.

We're going to need verification.

[sufrommich]

14. The source is a video of Chavez saying it. nt

[fishwax]

18. According to the OP, the source is Spain's ABC newspaper

where is this video you mention?

[maddezmom]

23. here is one of the videos but his voice is in the background with anchor talking over him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9QtZkT8OBQ

BTW, IMO Russia Today is about as reliable as PressTV.

[Hissyspit]

25. I already saw that, but thanks, maddezmom.

I don't think that really verifies anything.

[fishwax]

34. that's the only video I've seen too--just a video of Chavez saying something

Not a video of Chavez saying anything about an earthquake weapon. It's funny how people are taking that as actual proof that he said the things the RT newsreader is saying he said (quoting the ABC newspaper story, which has no source for the quotes).

[EFerrari]

152. If you look at him in that video, he looks too young. It's old footage.

If he had said this on tape, it would be booming all over Fox News, wouldn't it?

[Hissyspit]

Only source so far is Spain's right-wing ABC newspaper.

"ABC is known for generally supporting conservative political views and defending the Spanish monarchy..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABC_(newspaper)

Not saying it is not true, but really need more verification. I see no video anywhere.

[maddezmom]

26. here is a link to the video, but I'm hard pressed to translate what he's saying

because it's basically the anchor telling us what he is saying so you can't hear Chavez. :shrug:

[Irish_shark]

28. Where's the link to the video? nt

[sufrommich]

31. In Late Breaking News:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4235785&mes

[fishwax]

35. So you think that's a video of Chavez talking about an earthquake weapon?

What makes you think that?

[EFerrari]

138. No. That video doesn't show that. Did you watch it?

lol

[maddezmom]

22. I saw the Russia Today anchor live and just looked at it again on youtube

the story is based off this article in spanish newspaper. Not validating it just saying this is where it came from to start, now it's all over the intertubes. here is the translation of the article, link is here:
http://www.abc.es/hemeroteca/historico-20-01-2010/abc/Internacional/el-arma-secreta-para-provocar-terremotos_1133182612243.html

Airport SiegeNOELIA SASTRE | MADRID 20-1-2010 13:15:44
The anti-American government of Venezuela, in his usual paranoia against the U.S. empire, says the earthquake in Haiti "is the result of a test of the U.S. Navy," and complains that it devastated the Caribbean country was "an earthquake experimental EE. UU..
If ten days ago Hugo Chávez took the Internet a photo of a fighter plane and accused Washington of violating Venezuelan airspace, now directly blame Uncle Sam to raze Haiti "with these tests in the ultimate goal is the plan to destroy Iran with a series of earthquakes designed to overthrow the Islamic regime.
The imagination of the Bolivarian president is based on an alleged report "prepared by the Russian Northern Fleet" and published on the web live on state television. "The Northern Fleet naval monitors the activities of U.S. in the Caribbean since 2008, when Washington re-established Fourth Fleet had been dissolved in 1950 and Russia began their first exercises in the area since the Cold War.
The report compares course, as Caracas' this last test with another in the Pacific last week that caused an earthquake of 6.5 magnitude quake in California, causing no deaths, unlike the Haitian tragedy. The text concludes: "More than likely the U.S. know the damage they cause because he had positioned his commander in Haiti's Southern Command, General P. K. Keen to oversee relief efforts if needed.

[Irish_shark]

30. so the source is an op-ed by an anti-Chavez reporter who shows no video or date of the comments

I do not believe Chavez said this.

[fishwax]

48. it was actually a Venezuelan news report about a report by the Russian Navy

The Spanish newspaper just attributed the quotes to Chavez. Then someone at Russia Today read the news report while showing some stock footage of Chavez, and suddenly it's definitive video proof :rofl:

Here's a link to another poster who found the original Venezuelan report: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7532526#7532610

[Political Heretic]

54. It's called a video of Chavez speaking. Going to be a tough "takedown" lol

[Hissyspit]

56. Where in the video does he say this?

Have you read the rest of this thread?

Or this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7532526

Russia Today is quoting a RIGHT-WING Spanish newspaper opinion column that points to a Russian report posted to the Venezuala government site. Nowhere that I can find is there any indication that Chavez has spoken out loud the idea that the U.S. used a weapon to cause the earthquake in Haiti. If I am wrong, I will be happy to acknowledge it. I am not saying he didn't say it. I am saying there is no evidence that he did.

I don't speak Spanish, so I have no idea what Chavez is saying in the background of the Russia Today video report, but from what I've read from other posters, it has nothing to do with the U.S. causing an earthquake.

[fishwax]

73. a video of Chavez speaking (about some random thing) proves that he said this? lol

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

82. Have you seen or heard the video? It's old file footage.

Come on. We can do better than THIS. :shrug:

As fishwax points out, supposedly Chavez says the US attacked Haiti with an earthquake and the crowd applauds politely?

Please. I speak fluent Spanish. That's not what he said on that video plus the video is years old.

[fascisthunter]

103. and no where in the video does he say what the OP claimed

another example of a right wing hit piece on Chavez...

[Imajika]

13. Oh, I am sure it was just a mistranslation...

That is usually one of the first fallback options the Chavez cheerleaders try when this clown says something stupid.

Honestly though, in this case, considering how utterly beyond stupid these remarks are, it really might be a mistranslation.

Won't matter either way, Chavez could say stupider things than this and his rabid supporters would still find reasons to defend him.

[fishwax]

89. not a mistranslation, just a complete fabrication

[Gabi Hayes]

105. what an asshole....

[AndrewP]

135. Cool! I had no idea Chavez was a scientist

[dmallind]

17. Now if this were on R/T some people would think

that the rejoinder "how can you prove it WASN'T caused by a secret US weapon" would be a valid and intelligent response.

Why the natural skepticism to absurd claims is valid here and not there I have no idea.

[LeftinOH]

19. And tomorrow is "wear underpants on the outside day" -by decree.

[asjr]

20. He is spending too much time with Pat Robertson.

[Jennicut]

21. The nutballs on Prison Planet and Infowars believe it.

I read the stuff over there for a good laugh now and then. Oh Chavez, why?

[Hissyspit]

24. They quoted my brother at Prison Planet!

And misidentified him. He works with CENTCOM on hurricane preparedness. Has been doing it for years.

[Jennicut]

29. What did they think he said?

[Hissyspit]

33. He was talking about satellite and VoIP systems they shipped to Port-Au-Prince.

These are part of the hurricane disaster preparedness system, and were being used in an exercise when the earthquake occurred, so they were conveniently ready to go. For the Prison Planet folks, this was evidence of a HAARP weapon.

Not very likely.

They misidentified his title, too.

[Jennicut]

41. Typical conspiracy theorists.

I swear, you have to be on drugs to take what they say over there seriously.

[truedelphi]

129. Ah, Jennicut, sorry to interrupt you needing to laugh at technology,

But US officials have said that the possibility of doing this exists, but that we don't bother to build and deploy equipment such that the needed pulse of 1 billion kilowatts per second could be deployed.

It comes down to two things - do we have the capability (And that means that oh noes! SHOCK BEYOND SHOCK! our officals are lying to us!)

And two, did we make use of this technology last week.

[Irish_shark]

27. Is there audio or transcript of Chavez saying this/

Remember, we were also told that Ayatollah Khameini was fleeing to Russia the other day. disinformation abounds.

[slackmaster]

46. Here's a video link - I can't hear the audio at work so I can't vouch for what he actually said

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9QtZkT8OBQ&feature=player_embedded#

[EFerrari]

83. Not that I have found.

[Irish_shark]

36. Unrecommended for being based on a claim by cheap conservative newspaper

The source is an op-ed by a person from a right-wing newspaper (ABC) who does not cite dates or link to video or audio.

[happy_liberal]

37. they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnet

In April 1997, the then U.S. Secretary of Defense William Cohen publicly discussed the dangers of HAARP-like technology, saying "others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations... It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts."

This quote derives from an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn, quoted from "DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy," held at the University of Georgia-Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.

Russians - In August 2002, further support for those critical of HAARP technology came from the State Duma (parliament) of Russia. The Duma published a critical report on HAARP written by the international affairs and defense committees, signed by 90 deputies and presented to President Vladimir Putin. The report claimed that "the U.S. is creating new integral geophysical weapons that may influence the near-Earth medium with high-frequency radio waves ... The significance of this qualitative leap could be compared to the transition from cold steel to fire arms, or from conventional weapons to nuclear weapons. This new type of weapons differs from previous types in that the near-Earth medium becomes at once an object of direct influence and its component." However, given the timing of the Russian intervention, it is likely that it was related to a controversy at the time concerning the US withdrawal in June 2002 from the Russian-American Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty.

This high level concern is paralled in the April 1997 statement by the U.S. Secretary of Defense over the power of such electromagnetic weaponry. Russia owns an ionospheric heater as powerful as HAARP, called 'Sura,' which is located in central Russia, roughly 150 km from the city of Nizhny Novgorod.



Today we have Chavez accusing the US of using HAARP to alter climate:

El Diario Exterior is reporting:

Both a Venezuelan state-owned radio and television properties zeroed in on a secret U.S. "weapon of earthquakes" as the cause of the earthquake that struck Haiti last week causing a death toll could exceed 200,000 according to some sources. On the website of Radio Nacional de Venezuela (RNV) are published statements of the university professor, Vladimir Acosta, a regular contributor to the media controlled by the government of Hugo Chávez, accusing the U.S. of wanting to make Haiti a protectorate under the guise of the natural disaster. But to further the conspiracy theory, argued that "we have the worrisome suspicion that this earthquake may be associated with the project called HAARP, a system that can generate violent and unexpected changes in climate." ...

Is it really that far fetched?

[cali]

38. yes, it's that far fetched. post evidence by reputable scientists

that supports this stuff.

[happy_liberal]

45. The former Secretary of Defense has no valid knowledge on the subject?

They were worried about Russia having such a weapon...

and we have evil people in our own country...who have 'stay behinds' in all the government agencies....

[Last Stand]

91. Jesse Ventura did a show on just this sort of thing.

Conspiracy Theory on radio waves, changing weather, earthquakes, hurricaines, even mind control. Says the Army has a secret base with equipment for it in Alaska. Also says China has the same kind of technology and used it during the tumultuous hurricaine season that featured Katrina.

[Robb]

44. Yes. It is utter woo-woo.

...You know you can take a tour of the HAARP facility? I understand it's extraordinarily dull.

Nothing there is classified, BTW. Hard to keep a secret without that, eh?

[chrisa]

42. This sounds fake. nt

[slackmaster]

49. Consider it all a joke at your own risk

[crazyjoe]

50. ya but.... he was democratically elected with paper ballots!!!!!! open and fair

elections, and and....oh nevermind.

[Hissyspit]

52. There is no evidence Chavez actually said this.

[Political Heretic]

53. Every time that guy opens his mouth I cringe. Not someone I want as a spokesperson of Leftism

So when someone wants to talk about land reform, or the fact that the IMF and World Bank functions like the mob enforcement arm of the US and the West, or someone wants to talk about deconstructing corporate rule and rights, or talks about seriously tackling the gross inequity of wealth consolidation in rich capitalist countries...

...someone else can just point to this clown and mock every serious issue we ought to be talking about.

[Hissyspit]

55. Read the thread, PH. There is no evidence at all he said this.

Although, I understand that your point is larger then this one "incident."

Problem is you can say that about any left-leaning politician. When they are misrepresented through disinformation tactics that the general public buys in to, the whole point is marginalization. Al Gore is seen by many Americans as a clown for things he DID not say or do.

[Political Heretic]

57. It IS larger than one incident. And its not just all "made up."

I used to have a "Chavez" filter back in the day when I thought maybe he was going to be a world leader and not a world clown.

The next year of news was disturbing to say the least. I'm not some idiot that doesn't know how to scrutinize sources, and it is certainly true that right wing capitalist countries would like nothing more than for this gadfly to go away. I've read the fake or exaggerated stuff. And then I've read the stuff concurrently reported across both spectrums of Venezuelan media - and my opinion is that Chavez at some point started being more interested in the celebrity that is Chavez and now all too frequently looks for excuses to say something ridiculous just in order to make the news.

:(

So I watch the video itself that reported this claim. It is just reporting, not audio or transcript of a Chavez speech. But tragically, given everything I do know that I can confirm about what Chavez has said and done, this sounds exactly like something he would actually say, and that's sad.

[EFerrari]

70. I've had the exact opposite experience.

This fakery is the template for all the crazy stuff that we don't know about Chavez because it always turns out to be wrong. :shrug:

[GreenArrow]

98. Your avatar is pretty ironic in light of your statements.

I'd submit that it's because Chavez is talking about land reform, and the world bank and IMF, and unequal wealth consolidation, that the very people whose interests at stake in that discussion are doing every thing they can to deligitimize him. If the USA has ever supported any left leaning head of state in Central and South America, I've missed it. It's not like the US has given Chavez any reason to trust it. Here's a reminder:

>>Venezuela coup linked to Bush team

Specialists in the 'dirty wars' of the Eighties encouraged the plotters who tried to topple President

The failed coup in Venezuela was closely tied to senior officials in the US government, The Observer has established. They have long histories in the 'dirty wars' of the 1980s, and links to death squads working in Central America at that time.
Washington's involvement in the turbulent events that briefly removed left-wing leader Hugo Chavez from power last weekend resurrects fears about US ambitions in the hemisphere.

It also also deepens doubts about policy in the region being made by appointees to the Bush administration, all of whom owe their careers to serving in the dirty wars under President Reagan.

One of them, Elliot Abrams, who gave a nod to the attempted Venezuelan coup, has a conviction for misleading Congress over the infamous Iran-Contra affair.

The Bush administration has tried to distance itself from the coup. It immediately endorsed the new government under businessman Pedro Carmona. But the coup was sent dramatically into reverse after 48 hours.

Now officials at the Organisation of American States and other diplomatic sources, talking to The Observer, assert that the US administration was not only aware the coup was about to take place, but had sanctioned it, presuming it to be destined for success.

The visits by Venezuelans plotting a coup, including Carmona himself, began, say sources, 'several months ago', and continued until weeks before the putsch last weekend. The visitors were received at the White House by the man President George Bush tasked to be his key policy-maker for Latin America, Otto Reich. >>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/21/usa.venezuela

Maybe if Hugo would play ball with those oil interests, they'd get off his back.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

58. Haha. Hugo gets a pizza! n/t

[happy_liberal]

59. Intelligent people attack ideas, not other people

So let's talk about the idea that a former US Secretary of Defense was worried about this very thing...

[Robb]

62. Rumsfeld has some concerns as well.

I don't intend to give them a great deal of my attention, however.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

63. Intelligent people don't believe in magical earthquake weapons. n/t

[happy_liberal]

65. HAARP is very real

How many people here already know about HAARP?

How many here trust our government with something like this that could possibly be used as a weapon?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

78. No it isn't.

It's retarded bullshit made up by paranoid basement-dwellers.

[happy_liberal]

93. HAARP is not real? Retarded Bullshit?

What the hell is this then?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

96. It would appear to be a JPEG. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

112. Equipment to study the Ionosphere, not the earth's crust, and nice jpeg

[PacerLJ35]

150. You're more than welcome to take a tour of HAARP- It's not a classified site

Yes, they actually give tours of the place, and people can drive up to it if they wish...although it is in the middle of Alaska. There's really nothing mysterious about HAARP.

[nadinbrzezinski]

110. This is HAARP

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/

Ionospheric physics, that is a part of ATMOSPHERIC science and Radio...

How do you get from there to I don't know getting the earth crust to do your bidding?

I will be waiting over here...

[fujiyama]

60. Anyone remember DU after the '04 tsunami?

nt

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

64. See, I was just joking when I posted last week...

...that Obama had "found the keys to Bush's earthquake machine."

[Kaleva]

67. The Obama kids found the Bush Earthquake Machine in a closet.

[jtylerpittman]

74. Hugo Chavez is the Madonna of head of states he is a publicity hor

[EFerrari]

75. Baloney. Hugo Chavez is not attacking himself in the press

but you may be a Madonna fan of right wing media consumption. :)

[jtylerpittman]

81. right america has a earth quake machine.

[EFerrari]

84. Wrong. There is no evidence whatsoever that Chavez made this claim.

Can you find some? Because I can't.

[fishwax]

86. chavez never said any such thing

The story is BS.

[Hissyspit]

92. He. Did. Not. Say. It.

As as I can tell. There is no evidence he said anything of the sort. If you can provide evidence that he did, please provide it.

[jtylerpittman]

95. the op says he said it

[EFerrari]

97. That's it? You believe Iran state run teevee without question?

Good grief.

[fascisthunter]

102. probably thinks George Bush fought in Vietnam

FOx will do this to people. It's a shame really...

[fascisthunter]

100. if you plan on going for a ride

be honest

[Gabi Hayes]

107. are you as ignorant as you appear to be, or just an eight year old who's

killing time on mommy's computer?

[Hissyspit]

80. He didn't say it.

Best that I can ascetain. He didn't "hor" any publicity.

[anonymous171]

76. Chavez is just frightened of the American military presence.

[EFerrari]

77. I've yet to find an iota of evidence that he said this.

Have you? Otoh, I'm working on a Haiti story right now so maybe I missed something.

[treestar]

79. Tectonic plates shift

they really do that, for real.

[SidDithers]

85. delet - source is questionable.

Sid

[EFerrari]

87. Or he would have if there was any evidence whatsoever that he said it

which there isn't afaik.

[SidDithers]

88. That'll teach me to reply before reading the thread...

:hi:

Sid

[EFerrari]

90. You know, I don't blame anyone for doing that. I do it.

And the cr@p about Chavez has been so consistent, its irresistible to us fast scanners. :hi:

[fascisthunter]

99. yup... more goofey right wing attacks against Chavez

or is it really an attack on the ideology... you know, the real reason for right wingers insecurities.

[Motown_Johnny]

101. If it were true, pissing us off seems like a bad thing to do

[Pavulon]

104. Once confirmed, this will be hilarious. Poor chavistas, your god forsake you

to become a raving loon. Will wait for confirmation to truly call out his pimps around here. This would go to my assertion hugo is not leaving office any time soon. He is there until he dies of old age or his replacement shoots him.

[Hissyspit]

113. I am not a pimp.

I don't happen to care for the guy. But, I also just happen to believe in not knee-jerk slandering someone with false right-wing inspired propaganda. I happen to believe in checking my facts. I happen to believe in the truth. "Once confirmed..." O.K. confirm it.

You show me the proof he said it and I will say, yes, he said. I don't know that he didn't say it. I have requested proof that he said it. No one has offered any. Until then, there is no proof he said it. The reactions in this thread and the other threads - immediately falling for apparent right-wing propaganda - are worthy of FR.

Why will it be hilarious if confirmed? The people in this thread have simply and correctly pointed out there is no proof of what is in the OP and the sources are suspect. Why isn't it confirmed now? Why is it being reported as if fact, when there is no apparent reason for it to be considered fact? Why is it o.k. for people to make stuff up about him? I never made any shit up about George W. Bush. I don't see what's funny at all.

[Pavulon]

117. He has disciples here.

and they are all ready to gloss over whatever he does. Media control, thats cool. Juicing his family, no problem, look how much money obama made selling a book.. Backing the iranian government crushing student protesters, oh thats cool

US is da debil, commentary the slobbers follow right along.

It is just the first step to revealing what he is.

[fl00ridaG33k]

106. he's batshit insane

[Hissyspit]

118. Yes, clearly. Since he said this thing that proves that he is batshit insane

despite the fact that we have no evidence that he actually said it.

:eyes:

[LeftishBrit]

108. PressTV is not trustworthy on such issues..

they are essentially controlled by the Iranian government. If Chavez said this, then he's gone seriously nuts - but it could be just that someone contributing PressTV is using his name to back their own paranoia about all things American.

[nadinbrzezinski]

109. I heard this on Radio 21 and refrained from posting

but people will defend him... he is pretty much making himself quite a caricature and things like this are signs of... some sort of paranoia... not that he is not right, somebody is out to get him... but at this time I wonder if those after him wear white coats.

[Hissyspit]

116. Please read this and the other thread. There is no evidence he said this!

Chavis may actually believe this, but the original source is a right-wing Spanish newspaper, then parroted by the Iranian press.

[Pavulon]

122. More links..

fox ,regretfully, links back to press release.

I will wait for another source to confirm it.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583588,00.html

[Hissyspit]

123. Ah, so now it is "Hugo Chavez mouthpiece" said it.

Right.

OP says Hugo said it.

[Pavulon]

124. Fox is a republican mouthpiece, so will wait for more sourcing

but it sure is fun to watch. Either way he is still a scumbag.

[nadinbrzezinski]

127. As I said I heard it on Radio 21 which is not FOX,

and is not the Spanish Paper. They were citing the Venezuelan Press.

Now you may want to believe that Chavez did not say it, and he might not have said it, but this is getting silly... every time there is a statement people go on and on and on defending what he did not say, never mind I actually have heard words of his IN SPANISH, uttered by his own mouth, that I just refrain from posting.

He is at this point, rightly or wrongly, become a joke for many in LatAm, and a hero for others. But this is not the first time he makes statements like this regarding natural disasters. Might be lack of education, magical thinking, what have you... but he has. And it is not helping him.

[Hissyspit]

130. I have done only one thing in this thread since the beginning. Demanded verification.

It is not silly to expect people to not fall for slander and propaganda and right-wing tactics and questionable sources. Knee-jerking to false stories is what the other side is supposed to do. It would not surprise me at all that he would say something like this. I do not "want to believe that Chavez did not say it." I want to know whether he said it or not. But NOTHING has been posted here that has been credible, except that there apparently was something from the Russian government about earthquake weapons on the Venezuela government TV website. The Venezuelan Press may be reporting the same sources as the Iranians did. Chavez may indeed have to take credit what was posted on the TV site, but the posts that have been posted here have all implied that the words came directly from him.

[nadinbrzezinski]

133. Unfortuantely finding what he said

is like difficult but will make a point of finding the actual transcript... damn difficult site to search...

[Hissyspit]

137. That would be great if you can find something.

I will be the first to say "well, look, Chavez actually DID say it. "

[nadinbrzezinski]

142. His media did, a DU'er beat me to it, radio vives

here is what was posted in spanish

Desde finales de la década de 1970, los Estados Unidos han “avanzado enormemente” el estado de sus armas de terremotos y, según estos informes, ahora emplea dispositivos que usan una tecnología de Pulso, Plasma y Sónico Electromagnético Tesla junto con “bombas de ondas de choque”.

El informe compara además la experimentación de la Marina Estadounidense de dos de estas "armas de terremotos" la semana pasada, cuando la prueba en el Pacífico causó un terremoto de magnitud 6.5 azotando el área alrededor de la ciudad de Eureka, en California sin causar muertes, pero con su prueba en el Caribe que causó ya, la muerte de al menos 140.000 inocentes.

Según lo indica el reporte, es “probable” que la Marina Estadounidense haya tenido “conocimiento total” del catastrófico daño que esta prueba de terremoto podría tener potencialmente sobre Haití y que había pre-posicionado a su Comandante Delegado del Comando del Sur, el General P.K. Keen, en la isla para supervisar las labores de ayuda si fuesen necesarias.

http://www.vive.gob.ve/inf_art.php?id_not=15464&id_s=3

I kept the whole thing...

But yes, that is the nutshell, and the media in Venezuela does not freelance.

Oh and domain name is a government site, and looking at page info this is the last date this was actually modified

January 21, 2010 5:09:14 PM

[Hissyspit]

145. We saw that earlier this afternoon. I'm talking about Chavez having made any comment

as the posts have strongly implied.

[nadinbrzezinski]

146. I head the sound byte on Radio 21 and cannot find it to save my life

I ascribe it to an agenda truly... and as I said before I have heard other duzies that have never made it to this place... that I just shake head and refrain from posting.

Because of them, not that many folks around here will get it. Chavez has lost a lot of otherwise natural allies... you know it is bad when the PRD is afraid to even mention Chavez any more. (This is the dynamic that many round these parts are missing)

[Hissyspit]

131. delete - dupe

[EFerrari]

140. That's how I feel about just about every Chavez thread on DU.

lol

[Starbucks Anarchist]

111. And people here still defend this idiot.

[Hissyspit]

114. There is NO evidence Chavez actually said this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=279350&mesg_id=279450

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=279350&mesg_id=279457

[bridgit]

115. Folks like Chavez only think they see the tip of weaponry the US holds as an asset

[Dappleganger]

120. One of Venezuela's leading exports is unrefined crazy.

[Hissyspit]

121. No evidence Chavez said this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=279350&mesg_id=279457

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=279350&mesg_id=279457

[DFW]

125. This was a report from Spain on what Chávez is supposed to have said

http://www.libertaddigital.com/mundo/chavez-el-terremoto-en-haiti-se-debe-a-una-prueba-de-la-marina-de-eeuu-1276381965/

I don't know who this "Digital Liberty" is, or where they get their stuff from, but they're playing it up pretty big.
It's 1:30 in the morning here, and I need some sleep. I'll let you cyber sleuths Stateside pursue it. I'm sure it'll come
out sooner or later just how much there really is to the story.

*on edit--they refer to Madrid's ABC, which said this: En una nota de prensa publicada en la cadena estatal de televisión Vive, el Ejecutivo que dirige Hugo Chávez se hace eco de un reporte "preparado por la Flota Rusa del Norte que indica que el seísmo de Haití fue el claro resultado de una prueba de la Marina Estadounidense por medio de una de sus armas de terremotos".

Not Chávez, but "in a press release published by the state TV channel VIVE, the Executive which Chávez directs refers to a report 'prepared by the Russian Northern Fleet which indicates that the Haitian earthquake was the clear result of a test of the American Navy by means of one its earthquake weapons.'" Now, I don't get reports from the Russian Northern Fleet, or know if they are anywhere near the Caribbean, but this seems to leave a lot of questions unanswered as to who really started all this.

[truedelphi]

128. I am not sure if it is relevant

Whether the Russians have any kind of fleet operating in the Caribbean. The weaponry that would be of concern would be our HAARP installation. HAARP is in Alaska.

A pulse of the magnetude neeed for such an earth violation as the Haitian earthquake would be clearly observable to anyone with the right equipment who also happens to monitor HAARP. You and I couldn't do it, but I am sure that the Russians could.

In the past, officials of our government who are connected with HAARP have stated that such an event is theoretically possible, but that since HAARP lacks the needed ability to rev itself up to the required 1 Billion kilowatts per second of energy, they cannot do it.

So the question becomes - do we have that ability or not? Can we beleive the officials or not?

And if we do have the ability and our officials were lying, did we do this or not? A question that possibly could be answered, but the answer's credibility would depend on what monitoring equipment was operating on that day, and can that equipment, and the "spokes people" for that equipment be trusted as well?

[EFerrari]

136. Right, ABC in the Opinion section which also doesn't quote Chavez.

There is zilch evidence he said anything about the Russion Navy's report.

lol

[ChangoLoa]

132. Venezuelan govt. link (Vive TV)

http://www.vive.gob.ve/inf_art.php?id_not=15464&id_s=3

Apparently, it came from RNV (Radio Nacional de Venezuela, govt.). Wouldn't be surprised if this link disappears suddenly.

Btw, it doesn't say Chavez declared this, it talks about a report by the Russian navy. In any case, I think this is the source from where ABC and RT got it from. Apparently, Chavez would have talked about this report during his last TV intervention, saying that it was the result of an experimental earthquake. I didn't see it personally.

[EFerrari]

134. No. It came from a report done by the Russian Navy

which was referenced in an article on the Ven gov web page.

The article doesn't quote Chavez in way BECAUSE HE DIDN'T SAY IT, the Russian Navy's report did.

[ChangoLoa]

143. Right. ABC (RW) says that he declared it on air

but I've found no video. We'll see if it's true but it wouldn't be incredibly surprising. He talks a lot and sometimes goes far... let's see.

[EFerrari]

151. Here is the representation:

"A través de una nota emitida por su Gobierno, Chávez acusa a la Marina de Estados Unidos de provocar el devastador terremoto que la pasada semana asoló Puerto Príncipe."

"A traves de una nota emitida por su Gobierno" sounds more like a govenment memo which we now know was an article about the Russian study posted to a government site.

[nadinbrzezinski]

144. You do know the Venezualan press does not freelance

neither does ours, but you know that.

Why do you think they posted that?

I have gone into the agenda driven journalism on CNN... but this is ALSO agenda driven...

Why do you give them a pass and not ours?

Never mind...

The Great Satan is the US... I know, and we are occupying Haiti.... yes I also read that too, and you think that did not come from the government?

Jeeesus age... there are days.

:banghead:

As one writer I know well wrote... EVERYBODY HAS AN AGENDA, start asking what is the agenda behind this ahem, creative piece of news.

And for god sakes I grew in LatAm... I know the anti yank feeling and for god sakes I get it... but you are missing the earthquake right under our feet for the global finance system...

[Hissyspit]

147. All the posts on DU today have said "Chavez said this..."

And it's apparently not true. Sure, he has an agenda. Sure, the state TV has an agenda. But I've seen nothing from him that indicates he believes this or supports it or ordered the item put up on the site, which is what is being represented.

[nadinbrzezinski]

148. His media is far less "independent" than ours

that is the truth.

[Heidi]

156. Are you a media "ahem" expert, too? (nt)

[muriel_volestrangler]

153. It wasn't even a Russian Navy report - it was made up by Sorcha Faal, loony conspiracy theorist

She makes money by making up outlandish claims and getting people to subscribe to her newsletter. Here's the link (it's possible that the mods will delete this post as a result of giving it; they're not that keen on links to her idiocy): http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1322.htm

She claimed it was a Russian Navy report, but she's made that up. She always makes things up. She makes Alex Jones and Coast to Coast look like paragons of objective reporting. And it's fairly certain that the involvement of Faal was what got the other big thread on this moved to September 11 moved.

[nadinbrzezinski]

139. I will post this in Spanish

and this time kept the damn thing in the computer

Desde finales de la década de 1970, los Estados Unidos han “avanzado enormemente” el estado de sus armas de terremotos y, según estos informes, ahora emplea dispositivos que usan una tecnología de Pulso, Plasma y Sónico Electromagnético Tesla junto con “bombas de ondas de choque”.

El informe compara además la experimentación de la Marina Estadounidense de dos de estas "armas de terremotos" la semana pasada, cuando la prueba en el Pacífico causó un terremoto de magnitud 6.5 azotando el área alrededor de la ciudad de Eureka, en California sin causar muertes, pero con su prueba en el Caribe que causó ya, la muerte de al menos 140.000 inocentes.

Según lo indica el reporte, es “probable” que la Marina Estadounidense haya tenido “conocimiento total” del catastrófico daño que esta prueba de terremoto podría tener potencialmente sobre Haití y que había pre-posicionado a su Comandante Delegado del Comando del Sur, el General P.K. Keen, en la isla para supervisar las labores de ayuda si fuesen necesarias.

[TheMightyFavog]

141. Good gods...

I think I lost IQ points just reading that...

[Retired AF Dem]

149. Coo Coo

for coca puffs.

[Union Yes]

154. Is Hugo any worse than any American politician? nt

[tkmorris]

155. You people really believe he said that?

That is so sad. People can just make up anything and be believed by those for whom it's fits their worldview.

[Forkboy]

157. Some people will beleive anything, and I'm not talking about Hugo.

And these same people will crow about being "reality-based". :crazy: