Lets FULLY apply Personhood to Corporate Entities

[FreakinDJ]

If a Corporation commits a Crime - ALL the listed members of the entity go to jail. No more singling out a "Fall Guy" or offering "Cash Settlements" - the Law has been Broken the entire Entity needs to do the time

Corporation goes Bankrupt - which Bankruptcy rules apply. Currently Individual Bankruptcies differ greatly from Corporate Bankruptcies. This would conflict with the 14th Amendment granting "Equal Protection under the Law"

And last but not least - Taxes. Again Equal Protection under the law.

They can't have it Both Ways. Either your a Corporation (legal shield to hide behind) or your an Individual. They want to have the Constitutional Rights of the Individual, they need to suffer the same consequences as the Individual

[adamuu]

1. You can throw all the owners in jail, and the corporation will still be free.

That is why corporations are not people.

[FreakinDJ]

3. Not according to SCOTUS

They are people now

14th amendment "Equal Protection under the Law"

So all the Listed Trustees of the Corporation would have to go to jail

[Orrex]

4. Then put the corporations under the control of the government for the duration of the sentence

[FreakinDJ]

5. Why would a Corporation be allowed to continue operating

while serving a sentance ?

Is an Individual Allowed to operate a business while serving time in State Prison?

[Orrex]

8. Individuals can be put to work while in prison, can't they?

[FreakinDJ]

11. Making License plates maybe

I don't see how this ruling DOES NOT conflict with the 14th Amendment.

If you grant the Rights of the Individual to Corporate Entities then they must be treated Fair and equitably. Equitably meaning what applies to the Individual MUST apply to the Corporate Entity.

Is some one going to post the transcripts of the arguements presented the court. I got to hear this one

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

9. Actually, I think it's the other way around....

Not a lawyer here, so correct me if I'm wrong.

But if I understand it correctly, the pernicious effect of corporate "personhood" is that it SHIELDS the human offenders from prosecution. Don't blame me! Blame the Corporation! And since you can't put a corporation in jail, the only alternative is economic fines while the people who acutally DID THE CRIME have no sanctions.

Once again, my interpretation might be wrong.

[FreakinDJ]

15. That is the $64Million Dollar question

In Effect yesterday's ruling reinforces an earlier ruling (1907) that Corporate Enities are individuals and should have the same rights as individuals granted by the constitution.

My question being if the Corporate Entity (listed board of trustees) has the Rights of the Individual then it must be (by the USA Constitution's 14th amendment) be treated Egaully under the Law

That is what is so wrong about yesterday's ruling. Corporations obviously have special rights and protections not offered to the Individual.

[annabanana]

28. It must be disincorporated and it's assets seized then. . . . n/t

[adamuu]

29. On this eve of this action, the corporation can sell all its assets to some other corporation

and its executives can all go work for some other corporation, too

[dkf]

2. I think it is funny that people who are not here legally don't get sone rights but corporations do

It's so backwards.

[zeemike]

6. But unlike people their charter grants them limited liability.

they have a get out of jail free card.

[endless october]

7. k/r

[rug]

10. Will they be allowed to marry?

[FreakinDJ]

12. Good question................

only if they are opposite sex maybe

[City Lights]

13. Yeah, and with multiple partners. That's how they become too big to fail. nt

[OnionPatch]

18. I think each corporation must declare a gender.

And ONLY opposite-sex corporations should be allowed to marry, or else it will destroy the institution of traditional marriage!

[davidpdx]

14. I agree

And it's maybe a little sick to say this...but it is too bad corporations aren't personhoods, because then we could murder them.

[FreakinDJ]

16. edit please

that is a little too over the top

[Orrex]

17. +1

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. No...we have to develop a system that punishes the CORPORATION as an entity

Life without Parole = $200 billion dollar fine.

And you can get that for killing even ONE person (usually, a corporation has to kill hundreds or thousands before anyone lifts a finger). The GROUP intention of the corporation becomes the target of the criminal action.

Manslaughter would result in a $15 billion dollar fine.

We need to apply the same out of control criminal penalties we've done with individuals. Tough on corporate crime = ZERO tolerance. First offense may result in complete NATIONALIZATION for a designated time period (in the same way a private person is essentially "nationalized" in the prison system).

We need to set up a Federal Department of Corporate Corrections that runs companies convicted of criminal offenses.

The corporation's "intention" need not be the intention of any one or group of individual persons within the corporation; premeditation and malice can be read as a corporate quality rather than the quality of any individual component. Furthermore, under capital murder statutes, any involvement in a criminal enterprise at all attaches to everybody involved, including subsidiaries.

I agree: don't "resist" corporate personhood - take it to its ultimate logic.

[Bluenorthwest]

20. When does Corporate life begin?

At the moment of drafting the charter, or at the first board meeting? What is the Pope's position on that one?

[kenny blankenship]

21. Inheritance taxes for corporate "persons"! Everytime they switch the CEO

Seize half of the corporation's accumulated net worth for the IRS. That's only fair since it's how they treat real persons.

[eppur_se_muova]

22. Mostly, we need a Corporate Death Penalty.

Funny how the Repugs just love applying the DP to poor folks who got poor representation or were railroaded by collusion among prosecutors, police, and judges. But when corporate malfeasance leads to loss of human lives, why isn't the corporation simply terminated -- denied its license to continue as a business? The company assets can be sold off or absorbed by other companies, so there doesn't even need to be an excessive loss of jobs among the rank and file.

[AlphaCentauri]

23. Will they have to pay taxes like the rest of us?

[OneBlueSky]

24. fully applying personhood would limit the lifetime of a corporation to . . .

100 years or less . . . after a century, they would have to liquidate all of their holdings and go out of business . . . in other words, die -- just like the rest of us persons . . .

[IDemo]

25. I wonder how a citizen's arrest would go?

Maybe it's time to find out.

[Trillo]

26. How do you define "listed members"?

To wit: "ALL the listed members of the entity go to jail"

[Learning Nomad]

27. This is wrong on so many levels

But let's just start at the beginning. Please identify which groups aren't entitled to free speech. The NYT, the WSJ, the National Enquirer, the ACLU? Your analogies in other respects are just stupid.

[depakid]

30. How about a corporate death penalty?

One too many- or a sufficiently egregious act- and they're liquidated.