How about if we split the US into about 4 or 5 different nations?

[old mark]

Connect it all by NAFTA or something similar....would that be an improvement?

mark

[Jackpine Radical]

1. Can my part secede and join Canada?

[Wapsie B]

4. Yeah mine too.

I look forward to welcoming my Canuck overlords.

[glinda]

7. Me too! We are nearly in Canada anyways.

[Jackpine Radical]

18. Ya, eh?

The Iceheads are coming!

[abelenkpe]

16. yes....I'd like to do that too

canada in socal would be sweet.

[jwirr]

26. I with you in that.

[Yupster]

42. My part tried that once

Texas voted by an 80 % - 20 % vote to seceed.

We were beaten into submission over a four year period and I think that issue has been settled on the battlefield.

[rcrush]

2. I want to live in the part that has all the drugs legalized.

[Oceansaway]

6. i'm torn, legal drugs or Idaho for spuds...n/t

[glinda]

9. Then you become part of Mexico.

[Warpy]

23. NM would pretty much have to do that

because we're certainly different from any of our neighbors.

[paulsby]

32. actually, that;'s kind of the point of a democatic republic

states can, and should be, unique and have somewhat different penal codes (they do) , traditions, etc.

by having a limited power federal govt. (which unfortunately has creeped larger and larger), and unique states, we have a quite special system here.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. That might come, after a civil war with the end of Empire

:-)

Been doing some work on this for a novel and the cultural divisions. They are deep... very deep.

[villager]

5. Frankly, I can't wait. And yes, as Empire winds down, and we go through a series of eco-shocks

...it will probably become inevitable, anyway...

[Meeker Morgan]

8. Complete with endless war? No thanks. n/t

[EFerrari]

31. We have endless war now. n/t

[Sebastian Doyle]

Cascadia, here we come!

http://zapatopi.net/cascadia/

[jgraz]

24. As long as you let NoCal in

Set the southern border just below SF and Berkeley. Do NOT take Walnut Creek. :D

[demosincebirth]

39. How about Alameda Co? We're as blue as they get!

[Aristus]

43. Traditional boundaries of Cascadia do include Northern California.

[glinda]

10. I firmly believe that the Country should be split in two. the upper half goes to

align itself with Canada and the lower goes southern and forms closer relations with Mexico.

[JVS]

11. I think each congressional district should be its own country.

The ensuing border wars would be fascinating.

[MadMaddie]

12. I think we could just have two because that is how this

country is divided.

[Kitty Herder]

13. Only if I can freely move to another of those 4 or 5 nations.

I'm not staying in Utah/Intermountain West if it's free to govern itself. :scared:

[jwirr]

28. LOL

[undeterred]

14. As long as my state doesn't get stuck with Texas, Florida, or South Carolina

[anonymous171]

15. CASCADIA FTW!

[cliffordu]

29. ......!!

[CK_John]

17. The 12 Fed Reserve Districts would be a good way to lay off boundaries. n/t

[calico1]

19. Sure.

I live in New England. I'd be okay with either Canada or UK.

The US is like the clueless little kid on the block.

[paulsby]

34. ah yes, american exceptionalism DU style

never fails.

[Paladin]

48. What Could Possibly Make America Any More Ideal For You, Paulsby?

Judging from your posts, only two things:

1. A shit-load more guns in circulation; and

2. A big uptick in trashing liberal sentiments, with you setting the example.

Anything I missed?

[RainDog]

20. simpler solution- electoral college states by population

from: http://www.fakeisthenewreal.org/reform/

[HeresyLives]

21. The Nine Nations of North America, 1981

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Nations_of_North_America

Things have changed somewhat since then, but the choices are interesting.

[Tesha]

38. I've been a firm believer in that since the short version appeared in the NYTimes Magazine. (NT)

[Xithras]

22. It will happen eventually.

If there's one thing that history clearly demonstrates, it's that no nation lasts forever.

[jsmithsen]

25. Old News

Its true the South is a world unto itself, but there are a lot of people voting for Republicans in the Northeast these days.
We are losing people who work in industries we want to chop down in size (Finance, Insurance, Real Estate, Military Contractors).
We may be losing people because of the best of what we are saying, not because we don't say it well enough.

[dysfunctional press]

27. it would for us- we've got the water!

:woohoo:

[paulsby]

30. we already fought a war over this

you may remember.

quite bloody.

the president at the time, is now regarded as one of our best ever (as it should be) for retaining the union

[KonaKane]

33. I've been asking this for a long time now

Especially to the retards on the right I know of, who constantly shriek about smaller government. I tell them, sure, you can have all the small government you like if the USA Balkanized into a few smaller nations. You cannot have this huge, and growing nation of 300 million plus people, and expect government to actually shrink. That reveals a horrid lack of sociological and mathematical skills.

I see the current US in five pretty distinct cultural divisions: The South, The Northern East Coast, the Midwest, The West and Northern West Coast.

The South could be made pretty much up of it's traditional states: Virginia, W. Virginia,, North and South Carolinas, Georgia, Alabama, Mississipi, Louisiana, Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas and the east half of a divided Texas (a necessity, they are nothing but trouble on their own).

North East Coast would be bordered by the South to its south, Canada to the North, and Ohio and Michigan to the West.

The Midwest would include Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, The Dakotas, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, Oklahoma, and the western half of Texas.

The West would be made up of Montana, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, east half of Idaho, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and the southern half of California.

The Northern West Coast would be made up of Western Idaho, Washington, Oregon and the northern half of California.

Canada can have Alaska back. Sorry, Canada.

All island states and territories revert to their sovereignty.

Pros: Smaller governments everywhere, drastically lessened frequency of American military marching all over the globe.

Cons: Securing free trade land routes with the new nations.

Maybe it's time, who knows.

[crispini]

36. Honey, Texas would never put up with being divided.

Going down I35 just the other day I saw a bumper sticker that said "SECEDE." Lovely. :eyes:

What people calling for "partitioning" fail to realize that the REAL divide is, increasingly, rural vs. urban. Or maybe rural/suburban vs. urban. At least politically.

[KonaKane]

40. I wasn't really thinking it would be up to them.

Perhaps the best spent efforts of the soon to be dispersed US Armed Forces would be the forced separation of East and West Texas.

OK, I'm half joking, but it is an intriguing thought.

[donco6]

35. I think we fought a war about that.

Something jogs my memory . . . can't quite put my finger on it. Does "nation divided" ring any bells?

[KonaKane]

41. Perhaps we were wrong?

Not trying to judge the minds of the time - I can definitely see Lincoln's reasons to preserve the Union. But look at what has happened since! The culture and views of "The South" have never dissipated. Reconstruction was a failure. While technically brought to heel after the Civil War, the South grew as a political hub that largely brought us the horror of the modern conservative era.

All things considered, maybe it would have been best to let it go.

[Yupster]

44. It is kind of a weird idea that

once a state becomes part of the US, it can never leave without being stomped into submission.

It's kind of like the mafia.

[KonaKane]

45. You're right.

And on that note I did a little bit of research on the constitutional underpinnings (or lack thereof) regarding a right to secession. Long story short, apparently there isn't one. Conversely, there are veiled opinions from the court that inclusion in the union is a one way street.

[Yupster]

49. The Constitution was not easily ratified by the states

In many of the states there were long and loud debates.

In some of the debates one of the arguments for ratifying was that if the state didn't like the new Constitutional Union, they could leave.

If it had been argued that once you join you could never leave, there's no way the Constitution would have ever been ratified.

[monmouth]

37. I want the Atlantic Ocean coast line. Anywhere along will do...n/t

[LVZ]

46. Pacifica, Redneckistan, New American Republic

"Whenever something is wrong, something is too big." --- Leopold Kohr

http://ideaboomer.com/red">

[ddeclue]

47. NO.