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Mon Jan-25-10 12:50 PM
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Polls that use the word "liberal" are automatically biased. |
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Since Reagan began his successful attempt at demonizing the word not too many people are going to admit being one in a Gallup or any other poll.
The democratic party as a whole is still reacting to Reagan (DLC, et all)and we still have many of his top cabinet as talking heads in the media. No wonder then that right after a Gallup poll showing the "liberals" are a minority, former shit-writer Peggy Noonan hits the airwaves spewing on about how the country has moved to the right...While Obama didn't run as a liberal, he was certainly painted as one in the campaign and was elected by a large majority of Americans.
The recent Gallup Poll was biased.
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Mon Jan-25-10 12:53 PM
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1. i suspect if polls were conducted on policy positions individually |
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This nation would be more 'liberal' than even it realizes.
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Mon Jan-25-10 12:55 PM
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:01 PM
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11. wasn't there an unbiased poll where the person taking the poll did it online |
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and when most of them found out which candidate agreed most with what they entered ...
the candidate was Dennis Kucinich?
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Mon Jan-25-10 12:54 PM
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2. No. Pollsters try to use the same terms they've used for decades so that data |
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Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 12:55 PM by Captain Hilts
can be compared.
'Left' is worse.
A split sample using each of the terms in just half the survey would be interesting.
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Mon Jan-25-10 12:56 PM
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4. Even if the definition has "changed"? |
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"Liberal" has become a negatively charged word in the past thirty years. How can it be used as a control?
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Mon Jan-25-10 12:58 PM
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7. Have you got a better word. |
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I agree that the liberal "brand name" has been diminished in stature. But what else should we use? 'Progressive' is just as bad.
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Mon Jan-25-10 12:59 PM
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9. No. I like the word. I'm just pointing out a polling technique. |
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:04 PM
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15. 'Progressive' also has historic connotations that are not directly relate to today. |
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:03 PM
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14. 'Left' has even more negative connotations. nt |
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Mon Jan-25-10 12:57 PM
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5. "he was certainly painted as one" Thus you disprove your own theory. |
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Mon Jan-25-10 12:58 PM
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6. Not really. How many pols or people openly refer to themselves as liberals? |
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:02 PM
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12. Why wouldn't they? Why are people so afraid? |
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:04 PM
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16. "Tax and spend Liberals" was one of the rally cries of the Reagan crew. |
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It worked, and it still carries negative connotations.
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:27 PM
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22. "Limousine Liberals" was another pejorative term |
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:07 PM
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18. This is not Gallup's fault and using the term is common among pollsters. nt |
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:19 PM
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20. Perhaps it would be more balanced if they used "neo-con" ? |
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:25 PM
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21. 'Neo-con' is a term that confuses too many people. It's not part of the vocabulary |
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outside DC and NYC.
But, if you were to use 'left' that would be the balancer. Absolutely.
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:41 PM
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24. And wingers using 'liberal' are NOT confused? nt |
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:53 PM
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25. Discerning the diff between a 'neo' con and a conservative is too confusing for a survey. nt |
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:58 PM
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26. Kinda like discerning the diff between 'liberal' and 'communist'. nt |
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Mon Jan-25-10 12:59 PM
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8. 'Progressive' is the best word to use. |
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Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 12:59 PM by reformist
'Liberal' can be rehabilitated,with time. 'Left' should never be used, imo.
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:01 PM
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10. Funny, I've never shied away from the word. |
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:02 PM
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13. Have you ever run for office? |
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I don't shy away from it either.
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:06 PM
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17. 'Liberal' & 'conservative' are parallel terms as 'lady/gentleman', 'man/woman' 'black/'white' are. |
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Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 01:06 PM by Captain Hilts
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:08 PM
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19. Points taken. There is no way around it. |
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:27 PM
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23. It's a tough call. There are too many 'progressives' out there that call themselves |
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'moderate' or 'middle of the road' or conservative simply because they believe in paying their bills on time.
Really.
The connotations of these terms have really become distorted.
At my firm we NEVER gave folks the choice of saying they were 'moderate' or 'middle' otherwise too many people chose it.
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