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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:18 PM
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Larisa Alexandrovna: Ratfuckers Strike Again
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 11:20 PM by Hissyspit
http://www.atlargely.com/atlargely/2010/01/ratfuckers-strike-again.html

January 26, 2010

Ratfuckers strike again...(updates)
UPDATES AT BOTTOM

There is a pattern in far right politics that I have yet to see on the left, despite various levels of extremism on both sides. The right appears to have a pattern of Cold War type tactics when it comes to domestic politics, illegal surveillance of political opponents being one of the key features. Here is the latest:

"Alleging a plot to tamper with phones in Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu's office in the Hale Boggs Federal Building in downtown New Orleans, the FBI arrested four people Monday, including James O'Keefe, 25, a conservative filmmaker whose undercover videos at ACORN field offices severely damaged the advocacy group's credibility.

Also arrested were Joseph Basel, Stan Dai and Robert Flanagan, all 24. Flanagan is the son of William Flanagan, who is the acting U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Louisiana, the office confirmed. All four were charged with entering federal property under false pretenses with the intent of committing a felony.

An official close to the investigation said one of the four was arrested in a car blocks from the senator's offices with a listening device. He spoke on condition of anonymity because that information was not included in official arresting documents."

- snip -

Familiar, really. Let's look at Watergate in a brief nutshell:

"The Watergate scandal was a political scandal in the United States in the 1970s, resulting from the break-in into the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate office complex in Washington, D.C."

Just one example of the many break-ins across the nation during the 2004 election:

"Thieves shattered a side window overnight at Lucas County Democratic headquarters in Toledo, stealing computers with sensitive campaign information and triggering concern of the local party's ability to deliver crucial votes on Nov. 2.

Among the data on the stolen computer of the party's office manager were: e-mails discussing campaign strategy, candidates' schedules, financial information, and phone numbers of party members, candidates, donors, and volunteers."
We can of course point to some break-ins and wiretapping of Republican campaign offices, but most of those cases have never been proved to have been carried out by Democratic operatives. Some of those break-ins and such turned out to have been carried out by Republican operatives in order to frame Democrats (See below).

That is not to say that Democrats don't use dirty tricks. All political campaigns resort to some less than savory tactics. What I am speaking of is more than just random dirty tricks. I am speaking of an organized, indoctrinated, even trained army of operatives that sees the political opponent as a domestic enemy and a campaign as all-out war.

Here is an excellent summation of the phenomenon:

"It’s been widely reported, for example, that Rove’s mentors in the College Republicans during the Nixon years included dirty-tricks maestros Lee Atwater and Donald Segretti. Newspapers have also reported that in 1970 Rove sneaked into the campaign headquarters of a Democratic candidate for state office in Illinois, filched campaign letterhead, and sent out fake fliers aiming to discredit the Democrat. In my own research on Nixon, I discovered that during Watergate itself, Rove used a phony grassroots organization to try to rally Americans to the president’s defense against what he called “the lynch-mob atmosphere created” by “the Nixon-hating media.” And according to Nixon’s former counsel John Dean, the Watergate prosecutor’s office took an interest in Rove’s underhanded activities before deciding “they had bigger fish to fry.”

Rove, moreover, is hardly the only link in the chain. Indeed, his youth outreach effort of 1972 had some success. A whole generation of conservative activists came of age in the 1970s either working for Nixon or, more commonly, voluntarily defending him on campuses and in political circles. His shame was their outrage.

These young conservative activists essentially endorsed the line that Nixon put out during Watergate— that “everybody does it.” They agreed that the president had to resign only because a double standard prevailed in the media and in Washington. Nixon’s dirty tricks, his efforts to politicize the civil service and discredit the media, and his willingness to use executive power for personal and political gain were really no cause for indignation. They were politics as usual."

The pattern that we see is a direct result of political training, Cold War style:

The aggressive tactics won the 22-year-old Rove a walk-on role in the Watergate saga that was consuming the nation. A report was published in the Washington Post on August 10, 1973, titled " Probes Official as Teacher of Tricks", gave an account, based on tape recordings, of how Rove and a colleague had been touring the country giving young Republicans political combat training, in which they recalled their feats of derring-do, such as Rove's Chicago heist at the Dixon headquarters.

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The 1986 governor's race was a prime example. The contest between Rove's Republican client, Bill Clements, and the Democratic incumbent, Mark White, was neck and neck, when Rove announced he had found an electronic listening device in his office, and cried foul. The furore swung the election to Clements and to this day Texan Democrats are convinced Rove concocted the whole episode.

I am friends with Jim Moore, co-author of Bush's Brain and The Architect (in fact, I am in the acknowledgments of this one), and he, like many journalists I have spoken to over the years, believes that Rove bugged his own office as a frame-up.

Now imagine a Watergate corruption alumni like young Karl Rove, training a crop of young Republicans in illegal domestic political warfare. Then imagine this man acting as a consultant to elect certain candidates where this pattern of abuses seems to always occur. Now imagine this individual heading the RNC at the national level, training combatants, and then as a key adviser to the POTUS, issuing directives to those foot soldiers. This break-in is not an isolated incident. It is part of a larger, more insidious political scandal: the recruitment and brainwashing of young Americans into political dirty tricks and illegal activity as part of a political Cold Civil War.

These operatives even have a name for such activity, one less polite than Cold Civil War: ratfucking. Here is an excellent overview of some recent examples.

Here is a brief definition of the term:

"Ratfucking is an American slang term for political sabotage or dirty tricks. It was first brought to public attention by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein in their book All The President's Men.

Former Committee to Re-elect the President staffer Donald Segretti told the authors, during their investigation of activities leading to the Watergate break-in on June 17, 1972, of a program of orchestrated political sabotage by supporters of Richard Nixon against Nixon's political opponents. These included, but were not limited to, cancelling meeting-hall reservations just prior to rallies, releasing false press releases or 'leaked documents' in the name of political opponents, spying on rival campaigns, stuffing ballot boxes, ordering vast quantities of food for delivery in the name of rival campaigns, conducting deceptive or offensive get out the vote phone canvasses, push polls, and similar activities."

The crime which occurred today is not just a joke gone too far. These are educated young men. These are members of the College Republicans. These are intelligent and well brought up individuals who know what is legal and what is not legal. They knew what they were doing, because as political operatives, they were indoctrinated in this art of war.

UPDATE

I noticed something odd. Earlier today I checked the Facebook pages of Stan Dai and he had friends. I checked it about two hours ago, and all of his friends were scrubbed. So, did this guy delete all of his friends from jail or did he do this shortly after he got home. The question is why would someone just arrested on federal charges think that deleting his Facebook friends is a priority?

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:24 PM
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1. I'm just surprised it took so long since watergate to find this. Oh yes Karl Rove
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 11:34 PM by applegrove
bugged the Repukes own offices in Texas.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:26 PM
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2. What should be done now is
to have a professional search the whole office for other bugs. And if I were a democratic senator or representative, I would request the FBI come in and check my office WHILE I STOOD RIGHT THERE WATCHING.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:10 AM
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22. I agree. Every Dem in Congress & beyond needs to not only be
aware, but to do bug sweeps, and whatever else is necessary to assure the well-being in their offices.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:30 PM
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3. This shit is also how they stopped the vote count in Florida in 2000.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:50 PM
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6. And they were paid staffers
Reminder of the "Brooks Brothers riot" and the staffers who were paid by the Republican party to stop the recount.





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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:53 PM
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7. The Audacity of Slimeballs
Thank you so much for posting. Wasn't John Bolton mixed up in it, too?

This is how the Dark Side does it and gets away with it -- TOO OUTRAGEOUS TO BE BELIEVED!!!! :puke:
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 12:09 AM
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8. Good memory! Bolton was a part of it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5191195

And your comment about "TOO OUTRAGEOUS TO BE BELIEVED!!!!" is key.

That's how the Acorn smear and the attempted tapping of Landrieu's office seem. Too outrageous, too amateurish and odd costumes even. But the actions have impact. People were fired from Acorn and the accusations have staying power, particularly among those who don't do follow-up research and reading.

But as Larissa so aptly points out, these are guys who have attended good schools and then received quite intensive training from the RW.

If anything's an act, it's that they're (as I've seen O'Keefe called in articles) pranksters.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 12:19 AM
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9. like peeling an onion, eh?
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 12:47 AM
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12. Yep, layer after smelly layer
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. therein lies
the slime.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 12:58 AM
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15. also, throw into the mix O'keef's statement about being bold in ones endeavors
it kind of makes one wonder how many other times he wasn't caught.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:19 AM
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16. +1 to that
Mini Rove in training, complete with audacious dirty tricks.

And Stan Dai's bio raises a lot of questions IMHO.

What else have they been up to?

Where have they been recently?

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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:13 AM
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23. they did a huge ratfuck to Don Seigleman too n/t
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:28 PM
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38. Is he still incarcerated?
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:33 PM
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4. She didn't really use the term "ratfuckers"!! I find that hard to believe.
Larisa is too nice of a person to use that term.
That's just not the kind of language we should be using when talking about those fuckers.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 12:20 AM
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10. I tried describing what they look like in another thread. "Ratfuckers" is apt
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 12:43 AM
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11. LOL She just tweeted: "Their term, not mine."
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 03:45 AM
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21. ratfucker is the term of art Republican pols use themselves about their dirty activities
they are proud of it.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:37 AM
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34. IIRC, Grover Norquist popularized the term. nt
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:49 PM
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39. She's quoting Donald Segretti in All the President's Men.
Carl Bernstein: What was that term you used when you screwed up something?
Donald H. Segretti: We're rat-fuckin'.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074119/quotes

That was the exact word that came to mind when I heard this story yesterday:

27. Bingo. Ratfucking: The Next Generation.

Building on the great work started by Donald Segretti and his USC Mafia protege Karl Rove.

Not only would it not surprise me, but I thoroughly expect to see this creep show up in the employ of a future Rethuglican administration. You can take that to the bank.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7576297&mesg_id=7578065
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:42 PM
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5. just an aside, but "various levels of extremism on both sides"? nt
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 12:52 AM
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14. Yeah, exactly. I notice there were no examples of left 'extremism'.
'Extremism' to us, is paying someone's prescription bill when they can't afford it, or giving a homeless person a place to stay.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 08:38 AM
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31. She just declares that the left is equally criminal and extreme
which is a rat fuck.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #31
41. no she didn't say anything about "equal"
which makes you at least a liar.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 03:04 AM
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17. Dig deeper on Dai
He recruits for Intelligence.

Intelligence Community Center of Academic Excellence (ICCAE)
ICCAE Scholars Program
Application Form
The Intelligence Community Center of Academic Excellence (ICCAE) prepares students
for careers in intelligence. Its curriculum develops the skills relevant to intelligence
community careers, while also allowing students to pursue the major of their choice. The
ICCAE mission emphasizes enabling women, persons with disabilities, and minorities to
pursue professions in the intelligence community. The ICCAE Scholars Program is open
to undergraduate students in all majors who have a minimum GPA of 3.0, who are in
good academic standing, and who are U.S. citizens. Generally, students should apply to
the program no later than the end of their sophomore year.
The Application Process
1. Students should complete this application form including the following materials:
· A transcript of all work completed at Trinity (this may be an unofficial transcript).
· A typed two-page statement of purpose.
2. Students must obtain recommendations from two faculty members. One of the
recommendations should be written either by the Program Chair of the student’s major
program, or by the student’s advisor.
Questions
If you have any questions, please contact Mr. Stan Dai, Assistant Director, ICCAE at:
Phone: 202-884-9689
Email: DaiS@trinitydc.edu
Office: Main 362
Please return this application and all supporting materials to:
Stan Dai
Assistant Director, Intelligence Center
Main 362
Trinity (Washington) University
125 Michigan Avenue, N.E.
Washington, D.C. 20017
202-884-9689
DaiS@trinitydc.edu



And who funds Dai's intelligence center?

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) IC Centers of Academic Excellence (CAE) Program Office establishes long term partnerships with Academia for the IC to help meet the requirements articulated in the authorities.

Providing competitively awarded grants to universities to establish programs in national security studies through their unique disciplines of study will create a new diverse talent pool from which the intelligence community can recruit.

All universities:
Develop or enhance curriculum to build the skill sets needed in the IC professions
Conduct pre-collegiate outreach in their geographic regions
Host a colloquium with consortium universities to heighten IC issues and careers
Send at least ten "IC Scholars" abroad to obtain language and cultural awareness or immersion experiences
Provide end of grading period reports for oversight and compliance of all program requirements


http://www.dni.gov/cae/

And who carries the program out?
http://www.carlisle.army.mil/proteus/index.cfm
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:58 AM
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29. This needs its own thread
Important
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:32 AM
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33. i agree with Malaise..
this needs its own thread.

When it's up, let us know.

good work.


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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 10:48 AM
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35. +1. . shit floats, doesn't it?
Every damn alarm should be a'ringin'
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 03:35 AM
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18. This is GOP dirty tricksters. Probably tied to Rove somewhere.
The tradition of lawless, felonious dirty tricks by the GOP is time honored. There's no question they grow these guys, and use them in many operations that are illegal.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 03:43 AM
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20. Yes indeed. louisiana is prime Rove territory. The CIA also are active there
keep thinking of Oswald who worked handing out pro-commie leaflets just down the street from the CIA in New Orleans at one time (allegedly)
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 10:01 PM
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43. Oswald, Ferrie, and Shaw in Clinton/Jackson LA. Original Anti"ACORN"

------ Clay Shaw -------- Lee Harvey Oswald ------ David Ferrie

No, not the 3 amigos. They were the forerunners (messing w/Louisiana elections-wise) to this current group...

---- Dai ----- O'Keefe ----- Basel ----- Flanagan

http://www.ctka.net/mellen_review.html
Her discussion of the famous Clinton/Jackson sighting of Oswald, Shaw and David Ferrie is the longest I have seen and contains some new and interesting details. For instance, it appears that Oswald actually did register to vote, but his name was later erased. And the FBI knew about the incident and about his subsequent attempt to find employment at a hospital in the area and they deliberately covered it all up...


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4490941
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 02:29 AM
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45. Excellent find, MinM!
The GOP is corrupt like fish are wet.
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:29 PM
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49. The parallels are striking. Keith Olbermann alluded to it...
last night with John Dean. The fact that this is nothing new for the right-wing smear merchants. It's been going on for years in municipalities from Louisiana to Alaska, Florida to Massachusetts...

From Teapot Dome to Clinton-Jackson to Watergate to the October Surprise to Iran-Contra...

AMC developing 'Teapot Dome' scandal miniseries
AMC is set to announce a new miniseries in development -- “Black Gold: The Teapot Dome Scandal.”

“Black Gold” is set in the 1920s following a scandal when big oil companies orchestrated the election of President Warren G. Harding. Justin Falvey and Darryl Frank will serve as executive producers.

The project from Kirk Ellis (HBO’s “John Adams,” TNT’s “Into the West”) is adapted from a nonfiction book by Laton McCartney.

“Teapot Dome is quite possibly the most outrageous political scandal in American history,” said Joel Stillerman, AMC’s senior vp of original programming. “It is bawdy and substantive at the same time, and reminds us that nefarious connection between the oil industry and our government is not a new phenomenon.” ...
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 03:38 AM
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19. After 9/11 and anthrax attack shadowmen, what is a little
subversive measures against democrats? GOPfuckers need to be thrown out of the country, fuck prison.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:24 AM
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24. Rethuglicans, don't trust them to park your car
it will come back in pieces.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:31 AM
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25. The ghost of Nixon stalks the halls of power. Nixon, Father of All Ratfuckers. nt
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:30 AM
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26. K&R
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:50 AM
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27. Off topic, but
Where has lala rawraw gone? I've not seen a post of hers here for such a long time, and her last DU journal entry is from 2008.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:49 PM
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42. I have
been very ill, working hard to get our political prisoners out of prison, and trying to keep up with my other writing. sorry to be MIA, I do stop by and post comments though:)
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 07:18 AM
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46. No need for apologies.
I am glad that you're still with us. I'm very sorry that you've been ill. And I certainly salute your efforts, as well as your writing.

May peace overtake us all.
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 08:05 AM
Response to Reply #42
47. Keep up the great work, Larisa.
Be well.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:53 AM
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28. I hope someone saved Dai's friends
and plans to post them for us. :evilgrin:
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voteearlyvoteoften Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:31 AM
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30. rec
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 08:53 AM
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32. k+r
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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 10:59 AM
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36. Plus the obsessive, relentless mind f*cking of the Cold War Era
Cold War absolutism is fashionable again. Back in the day, you had to either be fer em or agin em - everyone had to line up on one side of a philosophical line set by US and Russia. The slightest sign of PINK in a person, group or nation was seized upon with the fear and ferver of a H-bomb threat. Ostracism, hearings and loyalty oaths here. The USSR for their part squashed any hint of capitalistic individualism in dissident groups much more brutally.

Each side was obsessed with the other. Built up huge armies and apparatus around that organizing principle. Religions drilled the evil of the godless USSR into us day and night mind-controlling their flock in exactly how to think. Fundies and evangelicals are again running amuck, penetrating officials sectors, doing the same exact thing. Media helps by propagating one idea: THE OTHER MUST BE STOPPED BY ANY, AND I MEAN ANY, MEANS.

Absolutism never dies. It just takes breather waiting for the latest Uncle Rove to incarnate.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 12:16 PM
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37. Another GOP Fun Fact you won't hear from the M$M
REPUBLICANS STEAL ELECTIONS.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:54 PM
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40. Big K & R !!!
:kick:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 10:46 PM
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44. Everyone should understand WATERGATE never actually ended . . . !!
Edited on Wed Jan-27-10 10:50 PM by defendandprotect
Right wing can only rise on political violence, criminal "dirty tricks," lies, deception,

misinformation....

and that's what we're seeing here, yet again ---

in other words, JFK coup, Nixon-Watergate -- it's never ended -

It's all still with us --

THIS is the way that fascism rises!

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 10:12 AM
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50. and it did not begin with Watergate either ... !! !!! Watergate is when they got caught once
Nixon was just too hands. Why? Ratfuckers rise to the top in the Republican party because they play to win within too. The apex in paranoid politics, the delusional fear of everything "red," excused "our" ends justifying "their" means. This behavior was in place in the National Young Republican world in 1968. That did not happen overnight. Nixon is V-P in 1953. This goes back in American politics, in Nixon's case to Southern California Republican politics, not unlike the Orange County roots of Falwell.

Cheats end up in politics rather like bank robbers end up in banks.
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48. One thing for sure..
... for every time we catch these bastards they get away with it 10.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 09:06 PM
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51. Check out discoveries on the other thread...
Nice work Lala and Hissyspit.

Some interesting material posted in the Stan Dai thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7578398#7603883

Most recently on the Ben Watmore connection (he may be the handler for the whole crew).
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