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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 09:20 PM
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Obama to Hensarling (R-TX): "(T)hat's just not true, and YOU KNOW IT'S NOT TRUE."
Edited on Fri Jan-29-10 09:37 PM by ProgressiveEconomist
Was the President too harsh? WHAT'S YOUR OPINION? Here's mine:

The Washington Post website now has transcripts of today's remarkable Q and A between the House Republican Conference and President Barack Obama.

Of all the outrageous Republican talking points the President rebutted with unerring detail, the most outrageous came from the mouth of Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX). He had the nerve to try this totally crazy attack on the President:

"(W)hat were the old annual deficits under Republicans have now become the monthly deficits under Democrats. The national debt has increased 30 percent."

The President snapped back, "(T)hat's factually just not true, and YOU KNOW IT'S NOT TRUE."

"And what is true is that we came in already with a $1.3 trillion deficit before I had passed any law. What is true is, we came in with $8 trillion worth of debt over the next decade. Had nothing to do with anything that we had done. It had to do with the fact that in 2000, when there was a budget surplus of $200 billion, you had a Republican administration and a Republican Congress, and we had two tax cuts that weren't paid for, you had a prescription drug plan -- the biggest entitlement plan, by the way, in several decades -- that was passed, without it being paid for, you had two wars that were done through supplementals, and then you had $3 trillion projected because of the lost revenue of this recession. That's $8 trillion. Now, we increased it by $1 trillion because of the spending that we had to make on the stimulus. I am happy to have any independent factchecker out there take a look at your presentation versus mine in terms of the accuracy of what I just said."

When I saw Obama say that this afternoon on MSNBC's full coverage of the event, I thought at first the President was being a bit harsh. "You KNOW that's not true"? How could the President know what's inside an empty right-wing head?

But later, on a network that gave Hensarling a forum without broadcasting the actual Q and A, I learned that Hensarling is the second-ranking Republican on the House budget committee! Of course he MUST have known what he said was infinitely far from the truth. I then realized that the President was quite correct in confronting him, if only because the Republican apparently had underestimated the President's knowledge and intellect abysmally.

But in his later interview (with PBS iirc), Hensarling stood by every foolish thing he had said, and referred viewers to his website.

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From http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/29/AR2010012902848_pf.html :

"Friday, January 29, 2010; 2:21 PM

REP. JEB HENSARLING (R-TEX.):

... We know that under current law that government -- the cost of government is due to grow from 20 percent of our economy to 40 percent of our economy right about the time our children are leaving college and getting that first job. Mr. President, shortly after that conversation a year ago, the Republicans proposed a budget that ensured that government did not grow beyond the historical standard of 20 percent of GDP. It was a budget that actually froze immediately non-defense discretionary spending. It spent $5 trillion less than ultimately what was enacted into law. And unfortunately, I believe that budget was ignored. And since that budget was ignored, what were the old annual deficits under Republicans have now become the monthly deficits under Democrats. The national debt has increased 30 percent. Now, Mr. President, I know you believe ... the spending is necessary due to the recession. ... Surely you don't believe 10 years from now we will still be mired in this recession. It proposed new entitlement spending and moved the -- the cost of government to almost 24.5 percent of the economy. Now, very soon, Mr. President, you're due to submit a new budget and my question . . .

OBAMA: Jim (sic), I know there's a question in there somewhere, because you're making a whole bunch of assertions, half of which I disagree with. (LAUGHTER) And I'm having to sit here listening to them. At some point, I know you're going to let me answer.

...

HENSARLING: You are soon to submit a new budget, Mr. President. Will that new budget, like your old budget, triple the national debt and continue to take us down the path of increasing the cost of government to almost 25 percent of our economy? That's the question, Mr. President.

OBAMA: All right. Jim (sic), with all due respect, I've just got to take this last question as an example of how it's very hard to have the kind of bipartisan work that we're going to do, because the whole question was structured as a talking point for running -- running a campaign. Now, look, let's talk about the budget, once again, because I'll go through it with you line by line. The fact of the matter is, is that when we came into office, the deficit was $1.3 trillion. $1.3 trillion. So -- so when you say that suddenly I've got a monthly budget that is higher than the annual -- or a monthly deficit that's higher than the annual deficit left by Republicans, that's factually just not true, and you know it's not true. And what is true is that we came in already with a $1.3 trillion deficit before I had passed any law. What is true is, we came in with $8 trillion worth of debt over the next decade. Had nothing to do with anything that we had done. It had to do with the fact that in 2000, when there was a budget surplus of $200 billion, you had a Republican administration and a Republican Congress, and we had two tax cuts that weren't paid for, you had a prescription drug plan -- the biggest entitlement plan, by the way, in several decades -- that was passed, without it being paid for, you had two wars that were done through supplementals, and then you had $3 trillion projected because of the lost revenue of this recession. That's $8 trillion. Now, we increased it by $1 trillion because of the spending that we had to make on the stimulus. I am happy to have any independent factchecker out there take a look at your presentation versus mine in terms of the accuracy of what I just said....

OBAMA: Now, going forward, here's the deal. ... The major driver of our long-term liabilities, everybody here knows, is Medicare and Medicaid and our health care spending. Nothing comes close. ... Medicare and Medicaid, massive problem down the road. That's where -- that's -- that's going to be what our children have to worry about. ..."
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 09:36 PM
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1. K&R #4 n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 09:40 PM
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2. Thank you!
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 10:00 PM
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4. You're welcome! MSNBC will re-air the Hensarling Q and A beteen 1130pm and
midnight Eastern time. I know that because I saw it between 930pm and 10pm in a two-hour program that is about to repeat, according to my favorite co-host Rachel Maddow.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 11:36 PM
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5. 1135pm: Rachel just announced the Hensarling Q and A is coming up next
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 10:24 AM
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9. From noon-2pm Saturday, MSNBC will re-air its Obama QandA Republican smackdown special
Obama QandA Republican smackdown special
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:29 AM
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10. MSNBC rebroadcast coming up in half an hour: noon-2pm Eastern time Saturday
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:55 AM
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11. ... in 5 minutes
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 01:29 PM
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14. Rebroadcast of Hensarling smackdown coming up at 135pm
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 01:38 PM
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15. Hensarling comeuppance being re-aired NOW
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 09:49 PM
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3. He smacked Jim down!
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 11:57 PM
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6. He smacked ALL of them down, like the Uma Thurman character at the end of
"Kill Bill Volume 1". For Republicans, it was a bloodbath!
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 12:30 PM
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13. Smacked him so hard he lost his name.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 02:30 AM
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7. The Hensarling interview mentioned in the OP was by Judy Woodruff, on the PBS Newshour.
Edited on Sat Jan-30-10 02:49 AM by ProgressiveEconomist
Judy Woodruff, on the PBS Newshour. I just watched my video of that segment.

Incredibly, she allowed him to slime Obama AGAIN with phoney "facts", without even airing Obama's earlier smackdown of Hensarlings made-up "facts"!

Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) said on the PBS Newshour:

(1) A year ago "Obama proposed a budget that was going to almost triple the national debt in ten years."

(2) "Most of the studies I see" on the impact of "medical liability reform" on healthcare costs say it would reduce them by "8 to 10 percent", not the 1 or 2 percent Obama cited.

(3) "I stand by my facts. Theyre posted on my website -- anybody can see 'em."

Here's how I think Obama or any WH spokesman would have answered Hensarling's NEW attacks, had Woodruff presented a balanced and fair segment.

(1) Rachel Maddow's fact-checkers found CBO estimates that the debt will double in 10 years, not triple. Hanserling apparently was talking about the path BUSH established for LONG-TERM debt, not anything Obama did to the long-term debt. To double the debt in 10 years only takes 7.2 percent a year growth (mostly due to interest that must be paid to China and other US debtholders). The long-term debt was on roughly that path before Obama came in and recession-lowered tax revenues increased the SHORT-TERM deficit, along with anti-recession efforts, much of which is the result of unemployment insurance and other longstanding automatic stabilizer programs.

(2) The CBO says 1 or 2 percent. Hensarling apparently prefers phony "studies" from right-wing think tanks.

(3) !!#*?? Hanserling is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own set of alleged "facts" strongly at odds with those cited by objective observers.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 01:47 PM
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16. Kick
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 07:36 PM
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20. Part of the reason why "journalists" like Judy Woodruff let Republicans
Edited on Sat Jan-30-10 07:37 PM by tblue37
spout false gpoints is because the MSM is full of RW tools (like her). But there's more to it--most of the people who claim to be jounalists are really just talking heads. They don't do any research, and they don't know much of anything. Consequently, they are simply not prepared to respond to false talking points because they don't know the facts themselves.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 02:38 AM
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8. It's nice to see him using the bully pulpit again.
Especially in his adversaries own goddamn house. Here's hoping he keeps it up. The Republicans were on the defensive today, and it'd be nice if they stayed there.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 12:28 PM
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12. LINKS to text transcripts of the individual smackdowns Obama gave to Price, Hensarling, ..
From http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2010/01/29/BL2010012902906_pf.html :

"Friday, January 29, 2010; 3:41 PM

President Obama's appearance Friday before the GOP House Issues Conference in Baltimore
was supposed to be behind closed doors, with only a pool reporter to capture their exchanges. But the House Republicans decided early Friday to invite in all reporters, and the result made for a gripping political exchange, with the Republicans posing tough questions of Obama, and the president giving as good as he got.

The Post has collected transcripts of the QA session, breaking each lawmaker's question and Obama's response into separate files.

--Rep. Mike Pence (Ind.) -- economy
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/29/AR2010012902724_pf.html

--Rep. Paul Ryan (Wis.) -- federal budget/line-item veto
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/29/AR2010012902745_pf.html

--Rep. Shelley Moore Capito (W.Va.) -- federal regulation
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/29/AR2010012902770_pf.html

--Rep. Jason Chaffetz (Utah) -- Obama's promises
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/29/AR2010012902771_pf.html

--Rep. Marsha Blackburn (Tenn.) -- health care
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/29/AR2010012902775_pf.html

--Rep. Tom Price (Ga.) -- GOP on health care
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/29/AR2010012902774_pf.html

--Rep. Peter Roskam (Ill.) -- House Democrats
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/29/AR2010012902790_pf.html

--Rep. Jeb Hensarling (Tex.) -- federal budget"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/29/AR2010012902848_pf.html
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 02:31 PM
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17. They just won't budge - regardless of the facts. So aggravating! nt
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 02:37 PM
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18. IMO they won't budge because their corporate paymasters won't
Edited on Sat Jan-30-10 02:41 PM by ProgressiveEconomist
budge. I believe that, as in the case of Jeb Hensarling, the vast majority know quite well that what they repeat over and over for the cameras is JUST NOT TRUE.

I believe that it's the airheads that "interview" them for the media who don't know anything, and are PARANOID about asking a content question that would reveal to the world the emptiness inside their attractive heads. Thus the media transmits venal and smarmy Republican propaganda soundbytes verbatin, just the way any other stenographer would.
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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 03:09 PM
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19. They are trained to act as one body of dishonesty
Good to see the President finally taking them on.
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