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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:29 AM
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Chirac: Bush Half-Cracked When He Started His Iraq War
It’s awkward to say openly, but now-departed President Bush is a religious crackpot, an ex-drunk of small intellect who “got saved.” He never should have been entrusted with the power to start wars.

A French Revelation, or The Burning Bush
JAMES A. HAUGHT

Incredibly, President George W. Bush told French President Jacques Chirac in early 2003 that Iraq must be invaded to thwart Gog and Magog, the Bible’s satanic agents of the Apocalypse.

.....................

Subsequently, ex-President Chirac confirmed the nutty event in a long interview with French journalist Jean-Claude Maurice, who tells the tale in his new book, Si Vous le Répétez, Je Démentirai (If You Repeat it, I Will Deny), released in March by the publisher Plon.

Oddly, mainstream media are ignoring this alarming revelation that Bush may have been half-cracked when he started his Iraq war. My own paper, The Charleston Gazette in West Virginia, is the only U.S. newspaper to report it so far. Canada’s Toronto Star recounted the story, calling it a “stranger-than-fiction disclosure … which suggests that apocalyptic fervor may have held sway within the walls of the White House.” Fortunately, online commentary sites are spreading the news, filling the press void.

The French revelation jibes with other known aspects of Bush’s renowned evangelical certitude. For example, a few months after his phone call to Chirac, Bush attended a 2003 summit in Egypt. The Palestinian foreign minister later said the American president told him he was “on a mission from God” to defeat Iraq. At that time, the White House called this claim “absurd.”

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more:
http://secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=haught_29_5
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:30 AM
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1. nutty as a fruitcake , but
Edited on Sat Jan-30-10 11:31 AM by Mari333
instead of being investigated, we are supposed to forget about this war criminal and welcome him into the WH.
I call bullshit to that.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:33 AM
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3. I can't forget
and I won't pretend
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 09:11 AM
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72. Not alone in that Solly.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 10:00 AM
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79. Thank you, shadowknows69
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 09:00 PM
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33. I agree.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 12:51 AM
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51. +1
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:09 AM
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59. I call bullshit with you! nt
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:29 AM
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62. me too..because Bush was half cracked BEFORE he started that war...
He just got more cracked :P
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 10:18 AM
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83. +1 n/t
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:32 AM
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2. Just half?
Nope, bushie was and is full metal loony-tunes..

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 12:54 AM
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52. The second half... The first half cracked at birth when Barb immediately used him as a bottle opener


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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 10:13 AM
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81. Those two assholes could scare roaches away from a crumb-pile.
Spot-on as usual, Swamp Rat.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:33 AM
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4. k&r for unusual honesty
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:34 AM
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5. Bush is all cracked.
K&R for exposure.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 12:15 PM
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19. Along with the rest of his family. They are trained to be very successful sociopaths.
The religious crackpottery is only one CON.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 12:19 PM
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21. This has always been my view.
Twisted & personality disordered, not psychotic.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 10:20 PM
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37. The "ends justifies the means" and their "moral certitude" and "complete lack of empathy"...
... leads me to believe that the whole clan is indeed operating under a full blown psychopath or sociopath mode...


You'll see, mark my words, in another one or two election cycles there will be anther Bush in the ticket.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 10:07 AM
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80. If you want chapter & verse on the Bushies, read Family of Secrets
by Russ Baker.

I'm told he guy writes like the gossip columnist he is, but that his groundwork seems pretty solid.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 12:49 AM
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48. Full-On Humpty Dumpty cracked!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:34 AM
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6. Now, see, I don't believe that claim for a minute......
"Iraq must be invaded to thwart Gog and Magog, the Bible’s satanic agents of the Apocalypse."


Everyone knows that a true Fundy wants to assist the Apocalypse!
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:35 AM
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7. Gee, you might have mentioned that at the time.
I'm just sayin.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:07 PM
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41. Otoh, Bush told us that God told him to invade Afghanistan and then to invade Iraq!!
What was the corporate-press reaction to that ---

or even the American public's reaction?

Insanity -- of course!

There is something very wrong with these people --

with most of the right wing --

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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 01:05 AM
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54. Point taken
But it's just hard to imagine having General Ripper come in telling you he's about to start fighting the apocalypse and just saying "Oh well okay, I hope that works out for you. Maybe I'll write a book about it in 10 years."
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 12:10 PM
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90. Nixon, as I recall, also was trying to give the impression he was insane enough to nuke VN . ..!!
Giving the opposition more to worry about than military strategy --

Ironically, in the end, they did take his ability to press any buttons away from

him - - at the very end of Watergate!

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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:35 AM
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8. It was always seen as a "crusade" by the wingnuts...
in the Bush white house.

"We're on a mission from God". - Elwood Blues
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:37 AM
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9. Half-cracked? Half-crocked is more like it...
I'm pretty sure Dumbya started drinking again soon after 9/11 (if he ever really stopped in the first place).
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:41 AM
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10. A mission from God, huh?


(Alex Hughes cartoon from the Tribune (UK))
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:43 AM
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11. The guy is/was nuts, yet his party let him destroy the nation for 8 years
Well this is their leader's legacy forever, which sums up the Bush regime in a nutshell.

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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:45 AM
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12. K & R for reply #11
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:46 AM
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13. K&R #11 !1 for ZOOM it!1 Too bad Jacques didn't spill back then. n/t
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:08 PM
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43. Remember how the country of Lafayette was mocked as "cheese-eating surrender monkeys"?
Our ally from the Revolutionary War onward was mocked by Republican RW lackeys from every medium, especially radio and cable TV.

If Jacques Chirac had said that publicly he would have been called a liar by every one of them, and also on the floor of the House and Senate.

George W. Bush -- I long to spit on your grave.

Hekate

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snowshadow Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 01:25 AM
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55. There has to be a million of us,
who are just waiting for that very same day so that we can also spit on his grave.
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cartach Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 10:25 AM
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84. Spit ?
Piss is the word.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 10:42 AM
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88. Personally, I intend to have a full bladder for my visit.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:14 AM
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60. It was a huge propaganda
Edited on Sun Jan-31-10 05:14 AM by Enthusiast
effort to discredit the French for being correct about Iraq.

"Freedom Fries", my God. The number of American citizens that bought into anti French propaganda illustrates just how gullible the population is.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 07:23 AM
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69. Freedom Fries yesterday, Teabaggery today
That's the Republicon sheeple, ruled by the corporate fatcat manipulators and their corps of overpaid chickenhawk media whores like Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity and Beck.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 09:40 AM
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76. Ed Zackery. nt
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liam_laddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 10:16 AM
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82. Don't stop at spittle!
I'll raise you a stew of urine and excrement! :fistbump:
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:49 AM
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14. kick
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:49 AM
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15. Trying that "logic" with any Frenchman shows you how hopeless and fargone he was
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:52 AM
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16. Gog and Magog. ROFL - although it's not so funny in the big picture
with goddess knows how many Iraqis dead...nothing will wipe out the shame of this country electing that abomination - there's some biblical language that fits. Obama can ignore and obfuscate all he wants - it will not change anything.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:57 AM
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17. K&R. Right wing dominance of US media minimized a lot of news
the US public needed to hear emphasized, like all the reasons against the Bush Gang's war of choice in Iraq.

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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 12:14 PM
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18. Not half-cracked....
...but fully cracked down to the bone.

- K&R


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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 01:01 PM
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24. He's one of those Calvinist who believe that he is saved no matter
what he does to others. He is one of the elect.


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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 12:17 PM
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20. gog and magog
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 10:37 AM
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86. I think it should be changed to show bunkerboy and his heartless shrew "ma"...
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 12:20 PM
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22. ? Oddly, mainstream media are ignoring this alarming revelation ..?
seems pretty status quo to me.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 12:50 PM
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23. A religious crackpot, an ex-drunk of small intellect who "got saved?" Sir, shame, for you are
speaking of the man for whom 95% of the signs in my neighborhood in early November 2004 screamed: four more years, four more years. We got four more years and the messes are here for all to see, yet the messes Obama inherited are all Obama's fault according to those 95% in my neighborhood who were junior's supporters. Go figure. :P
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 10:16 PM
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36. Is your street named "Lobotomy Lane" by any chance? nt
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 09:15 PM
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92. Might as well be. I'm confident some Kerry signs were removed for only about 75%
to 80% are hard-core true-believers. :D
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 01:02 PM
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25. Think it says a lot more about the Kangaroo SCOTUS and the American voters than it does Bewsh II.
Edited on Sat Jan-30-10 01:03 PM by HughBeaumont
Maybe the consummate and ubiquitous FAIL that was the King Bewsh II Administration will teach Americans to start having someone of intelligence, education and reason represent them instead of dry drunks who "think with their gut" and look to the advice of Sky Ghosts to dictate serious matters of economics and foreign policy.

Maybe this will teach them to stop voting against their self interests.

Maybe in turn, it will make them a bit WISER for the WARE.

Maybe.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 10:38 AM
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87. I wouldn't bet on it - look for "nakid boy" in your future...
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 01:20 PM
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26. Smirky's handlers had to tell the dumb son of a bitch something
to get him to do as he was told. I would bet that Darth Cheney gave him one of those religious comic books with Gog and Magog in it and that sealed the deal.
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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 12:50 AM
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49. I KNEW those Gog and Magog
characters were monsters from a comic book! Shouldn't W have gone out to wrestle with them personally, though?

Nah--he's no Superman.
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 02:42 PM
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27. Reading this makes me want to eat french fries. Have to ask though..
what does one need to do to be full-cracked? :)

Kidding of course.

Chirac as a statesman had to show some restraint in his criticism or it would have be much harsher.
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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 02:46 PM
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28. Our media was complicit.
lest we forget


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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 03:04 PM
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29. This is not the first time this has been reported. I read it at least 4~5 years ago.
I believed it then, I believe it now.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 06:53 PM
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30. K&R - Too bad Democrats are the only ones EVER held accountable.
n/t
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 07:03 PM
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31. The sad thing isnt that Georgie was an idiot, it's that Congress wet themselves trying to please him
King George Bush the Idiot Son of Barbara was only a tool of CorpAmerica. Their is a good reason they didnt choose Jeb. They wanted the Idiot son. I am not sure that Poppy evens gets it.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 08:35 PM
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32. Chimpy may have been a religious nutcase, but that wasn't behind the decision to invade Iraq
Cheney, the neocons, Big Oil, and AIPAC were behind this.

Chimpy would have gone along with or without Gog and Magog.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:29 AM
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61. <Newman's voice> Nevertheless. nt
Edited on Sun Jan-31-10 05:44 AM by Enthusiast
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 09:03 PM
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34. More like "Grog and MadDog"
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 02:06 AM
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56.  SNAP
I like that. :evilgrin:

Hekate

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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 09:12 PM
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35. How did we survive him?
I think back now and wonder haw we lived through those years. The ruins still lay all around us.
Yesterday when Obama spoke before the Republicans I wondered if he was watching and if his
little mind could grasp the glaring difference between the brilliant man speaking and his own
befuddled self.
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hatesthegop Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 10:27 PM
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38. Why in the fuck
didn't he say that in the exact same way when this was coming down?
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 10:34 PM
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39. Fucking frightening that he was our president for 8 years and had his finger on the nuclear button!!
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 10:46 PM
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40. This can never happen again
There are new soldiers every day who are in the war for Christ,this is a big network and even the talkers like Palin call it 'God's plan' I think that was what she called it. These can all be back in place at the WH sooner than you think and the military more and more a crusade against Islam. Imagine the conversations between European leaders and Palin. It can not happen again
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:47 AM
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63. "It can not happen again"
But with the help of the American media and the ignorance of the American people, it probably will.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:07 PM
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42. He is one sonuva....
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:17 PM
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44. That's far worse than Nancy Regan's star and palm reading bull shit.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:21 PM
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45. So, when is Chirac going to be subpoenaed to testify? Oh, right.
I forgot. Complicitness before justice.
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gimama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 11:24 PM
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46. a little sumpin to share..
www.prosecutegeorgebush.com
&
www.indictbushnow.org
for ME, the nightmare isn't over till it happens.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 12:01 AM
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47. and we had some in Congress that had the freaking nerve to change the name of French Fries ..when we
had the fucking nut case in the White House starting wars??

Wow..how this nation of ours has digressed to the crapper!

And our congress is crap! and worse.

Then and now!

Stop these illegal wars..and i don't give a fuck who is in office..it is their war! To keep these wars going makes a war criminal out of anyone who keeps these wars going! end of story!
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 12:51 AM
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50. Heh. So much for their not being a religious motive,
as if that wasn't obvious already.
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 12:56 AM
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53. No shit.
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AzNick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 03:25 AM
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57. Funny, I can imagine Chirac talking about it
Edited on Sun Jan-31-10 03:25 AM by AzNick
So that you know, he is a very direct man who grew up in a small town, he is very rural in the way he speaks, although he is quite educated. Bush wishes he could speak English as "good" as Chirac.

Chirac, while being down to earth, speaks like a common man, except with no grammar mistakes, although he uses a lot of slang words (which don't always translate from region to region).

I am glad he did not go along with Bush's plan. History has already showed how right he was.

What is interesting is that Chirac is a conservative and actually very pro-America (little known fact: he once considered emigrating to the US but his parents were strongly against it) while Blair, who went along with Bush, is a leftist, meaning less likely to walk in lockstep with America.

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:07 AM
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58. What could Chirac
Edited on Sun Jan-31-10 05:08 AM by Enthusiast
possibly hope to gain from lying about this? Nothing! I believe him, completely. It would explain the stupid Iraq invasion rationalizations from the Bush Administration.

This is why so many of us are angered when President Obama reaches out to the criminally insane Bush Administration. If there was ever a criminal in these United States of America that deserved severe punishment for their crimes, it is George W Bush and his cabal of Neo-Nazis.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:54 AM
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64. Only half?
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:56 AM
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65. Let's not forget his evangelical nutjob "'God will be my judge on Iraq'" poodle Tony Blair
Blair: 'God will be my judge on Iraq'

By Andy McSmith
Saturday, March 4 2006

Tony Blair has proclaimed that God will judge whether he was right to send British troops to Iraq, echoing statements from his ally George Bush.

Contradicting warnings from advisers not to mix politics and religion, the Prime Minister said that his interest in politics sprang from his Christianity and its "values and philosophy" had guided him in public life.

Explaining how he managed to live with the decision to go to war in Iraq, Mr Blair replied: "If you have faith about these things then you realise that judgement is made by other people. If you believe in God,it's made by God as well." His remarks, made in an interview to be shown on ITV's Parkinson show tonight, invite comparison with President Bush, a born-again Christian, who has made a virtue of bringing religion into politics. But they also carry the risk of inflaming opinion in the Arab world, where the term "crusader" is commonly used to condemn Christian leaders who meddle in the Middle East.

It is also exactly the sort of comment he has been repeatedly urged not to make for domestic purposes, because of the risk that a sceptical British public will react badly to politicians who appear to be "preaching". Mr Blair was instructed by his former director of communications, Alastair Campbell: "We don't do God."

Full article: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/blair-god-will-be-my-judge-on-iraq-468512.html


Oh yeah, they didn't bring that one up with Teflon Tony in the "inquiry", did they...?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:59 AM
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66. Wasn't Pat Robertson his spiritual adviser
at the time?
We all know Bush is beyond bat shit crazy.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:31 AM
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67. Seriously?
I didn't know that, I wouldn't be surprised though, either.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:45 AM
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68. I sure heard that ages ago - read this article to see all the ReTHUG links with Robertson et al
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm
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But it would be a mistake to limit Dominionism to the Pentecostals and fundamentalists alone: conservative Roman Catholics and Episcopalians have joined and enlarged the swelling numbers.<47> Robertson, like other media preachers, used every form of communication: television, radio, books and audio tapes available for sale. One book stands out. Originally published in 1982 and written with Bob Slosser, a key Robertson loyalist, Pat Robertson’s The Secret Kingdom soared on the bestseller charts. It underwent four printings during its first year. By 1984 Bantam published a mass paperback in cooperation with Thomas Nelson, the original publisher. (Though the book has since been revised, my quotes are from the original version.)



However, it was the Pentecostals and fundamentalists who made up the core of Robertson’s audience. To a people who were largely uneducated and who often remained ignorant even if they went through college because of their fear of becoming tainted by the “world and worldliness,” Dominionism came as a brilliant light that assuaged their deep sense of inferiority. Pentecostals in particular could take comfort from the notion that no longer would the world think of them as “Holy Rollers” who danced in the “Spirit” and practiced glossolalia. This time, they would be on top—they would be the head and not the tail—and the so-called elite, the educated of the world, would be on the bottom.



A new world was coming. To help the transition along, Pat Robertson, along with other pastors, evangelists and churchmen, founded schools, universities and colleges throughout the United States to train “Christians” how to run for office, how to win, and how to manage the affairs of government after they gained office. To get an idea of how successful the plan was, Robertson’s Regent University now has a $100 million endowment. After watching the Dominionists takeover the Republican Party and observing their ruthless methods, it is indeed apparent that Machiavellian principles are the fuel running their “How to Manual.”



Starting with a class of only twelve in 1985, Robertson began his Journalism Department at CBN University where 800 other graduate students were earning Master degrees in a fully accredited institution. Later Robertson changed the name of CBN University to “Regent University”—based on Dominionism’s teaching that the national government of America and governments of the world will be ruled by Dominionists, who will act as regents on an interim basis, that is, until the true King—Jesus Christ—will return to earth again and gratefully accept His Kingdom from the hands of His faithful regents.

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giabelsi Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 08:08 AM
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70. OK......
Edited on Sun Jan-31-10 08:08 AM by giabelsi
But why didn't we bring our troops come home as promised after the election? Our departure date remains the same. Despite Bush's references to the Bible, and how crazy it is that we're there - We are in fact still there. It's none of our business what the Iraqi do or who the ruling party in Iraq is. They have been killing each other for thousands of years. All that killing/genocide justified by religion. I agree that war based on religious beliefs is not something we should be taking part in. It's ridiculous that we waste American resources or lives interfering. And the threat to Israel boils down to a family feud. Again, none of our business. Why should we care what happens in the Middle East?
What can we possibly accomplish? As soon as we leave Iraq will be back to the same old same old. Anything we accomplished will just be reversed.

Unfortunately there were parallels of Bush and Obama that I ignored during the election. They both had problems in their youth. Change. Maybe not so much....

Disappointed

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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 08:35 AM
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71. K & Highly rec'd
If I believed in Satan I would have thought he was Satan himself. But after reading the Bible I really believe he is closer to the war hungry, blood thirsty god of the old testament.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 09:21 AM
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73. we've been saying this here for YEARS.
it's shitty to see that people in a position to have an impact say these things AFTER he wrecked the fucking country.

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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 09:23 AM
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74. Gog & Magog, aka - Bush & Cheney nt
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 09:33 AM
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75. "on a mission from God" sayeth the Booze Brother.
Gog and Agog...the Pete and Repeat of da Bible.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 09:41 AM
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77. K&R
I wish James Haught would take over the NYT or WaPo.

Then we might get some serious reporting in this country.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 09:47 AM
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78. Important to get this out before the revisionists rewrite the histroy.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 10:33 AM
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85. So - all of us were RIGHT when we were ridiculed on here for saying that....YEARS AGO!!!
Edited on Sun Jan-31-10 10:53 AM by TankLV
let alone the MSM...

WHY IS THIS SOCIOPATHIC WAR CRIMINAL STILL "FREE"?!!!
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Vermontgrown Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 11:19 AM
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89. What is frightening about W is the fact that regular Americans,
like most DUers, can see how nuts he was at a distance, but people nearby, such as those in Washington, seem to be in denial that they would follow this insanity. So does that make us the linch mob who must carry out the good deeds for the blind...
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Paper Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 03:06 PM
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91. Interesting to see this is print. I hope a big issue is made of this
and that the information finally makes it to the press or TV. We need to see and hear GWB vilified in a public forum.

Rachel?
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