The best jobs bill is single payer

[ashling]

take the health insurance burden off the back of small business.

[daleanime]

1. You know it...

plus all the new jobs that would open up in the health care field:bounce:

[ashling]

5. Maybe some, but

mostly it would be a redistribution of jobs. Health insurers would decrease in size providing an administrative work force for the new system.

The main jobs benefit - as differentiated from all the other benefits, including national security - would be relieving small and new businesses from this burden. A lot of small businesses never open because of this.

[daleanime]

12. Currently we have about 44 million uninsured ...

in this nation, and most estimates have the under insured at at least twice that. So we talking about over a 120 million people looking for more medical care then what they are currently receiving. That's a pretty big impact.

This is at once the best, and worst, part of single payer. It covers everyone. The beginning would be a difficult job, but well worth it.

The job losses from insurers would be fairly minor if they were willing to accept reasonable profits and not record ones.

[truedelphi]

14. And it is a vicious circle. After 20years of

Being a top notch elder care assistant, complete with CNA certificate, I cannot find work through an agency.

They refuse to hire anyone over 55 unless that person has insurance through their spouse or some other situation. Their insurance will go through the roof if they take on people of this age group.

Multiply my situation by that of MILLIONS of other unemployed Americans, who cannot get jobs as accoutnants, computer geeks, research scientists, teachers, et cetera, and you see how imporant it is to have Single Payer Universal Health Care.

[daleanime]

15. Exactly...

it makes so much sense I don't know why we just talking about, instead of having done it:toast:

[ashling]

16. I see your point

I guess I hadn't really considered that aspect of it

[Demeter]

2. Ah, but Peons Don't Deserve the Best!

We don't even deserve the worst, but that's what we get, and like it , too...

[Faryn Balyncd]

3. K&R...American industry needs Single Payer as much as American citizens do.

[Karmadillo]

4. peas & carrots I peas & carrots Can't peas & carrots Hear peas & carrots You.

And if I could, I'd say, "SSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH." We're not supposed to know.

[johnaries]

6. You don't have to convince us, we all agree.

It's Congress we have to convince. There has been a single-payer bill presented in Congress every year since Medicare was passed. But it always died in committee.

[panader0]

7. Fifth rec

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[bigwillq]

9. So this is all about YOU?

:shrug:

[ashling]

19. I hate it when I miss these replies that get the axe

and I was the OP. :shrug:

[bigwillq]

28. Poster said something to the extent of

"Don't mess with my health care, I like it"


Something like that. Can't remember exactly.

[daleanime]

31. No...

I think you are totally correct. Pretty much word for word.

[daleanime]

13. Damn it...

I already eat:evilgrin:

[Chemical Bill]

10. It takes the health insurance burden off of GM too. n/t

[LWolf]

11. +1

[Jakes Progress]

17. Not just small business, but those guys or girls

who want to start a business or work for themselves. I know a half dozen guys who would start their own business, from consulting to blacksmith to art store, if they had insurance coverage for their family. They are willing to do the work. They are willing to risk short pay. They just can't bring themselves to risk their kids health.

All the hypocritical republicans who say they love entrepreneurship are stifling that drive when they prate against single payer.

[ashling]

20. I include those in small business

either ones that are struggling or can't even get up and running because of the roadblocks such as health care for their prospective employees

[Skittles]

23. it's big businesses too

they ship jobs overseas because of crap like health care costs

[Captain Hilts]

26. Yep. It's amazing how many 'self-employed' who don't have access to insurance thru spouse have none.

[slipslidingaway]

18. knr nt

[emsimon33]

21. Yes! And Obama knows it but would not let it at the table!

[Captain Hilts]

27. Ted Kennedy actually took it off the table and PrezO kept it off through Baucus. nt

[PufPuf23]

22. Excellent point!

Takes burden off large business and the less fortunate as well and disconnects health care availability from employment.

Also makes a more level playing field for "Fair" Trade under our "Free" Trade programs.

Single payer public health care is just so much more efficient and kinder than the mess of for profit medical insurance (with all the wrong incentitives).

[area51]

24. k&r (n/t)

[Captain Hilts]

25. Health insurance is a HUGE unfunded mandate on business that discourages hiring and labor mobility.

[njlib]

29. Absolutely!

At my last job, the premiums for 17 employees came to about $150K/year! That's a nice chunk of change that could be put back into the business for raises/bonuses, new hires, or equipment upgrades. It would make a world of difference for all business!

[tonysam]

30. Cart before horse

Health insurance doesn't put food on the table.

Obama wasted tons of political capital on the losing issue of health insurance reform when he should have exclusively focused on job creation.