Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Problems at Toyota, JAL & Sony, taint Japan Inc.'s image

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 02:24 PM
Original message
Problems at Toyota, JAL & Sony, taint Japan Inc.'s image

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20100131/D9DISUQG0.html

Jan 31, 1:43 PM (ET)

By MALCOLM FOSTER

TOKYO (AP) - Toyota is the latest Japanese corporate icon making headlines for all the wrong reasons.

News of the automaker's massive vehicle recalls over faulty gas pedals in the U.S. came just days after Japan Airlines, a once proud flag carrier, filed for bankruptcy, saddled with billions in debt.

Sony has lost its lead in consumer gadgets to the likes of Apple Inc. and has suffered its own quality mishaps. Honda, Japan's No. 2 automaker, is recalling 646,000 cars worldwide because of a faulty window switch.

Taken together, Japan Inc.'s stellar reputation for quality has taken a hit - just as China is about to overtake it as the world's No. 2 economy and rising South Korean companies compete ever more aggressively.

What went wrong with the economic giant that arose from the ashes of World War II?

The problems that confront Toyota, Sony and JAL differ, but experts say their struggles have some common themes: the perils of global expansion, a tendency to embrace the status quo, and smugness bred from success or a too-big-to-fail mentality.

FULL story at link.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 02:34 PM
Response to Original message
1. What went wrong?
Edited on Sun Jan-31-10 02:35 PM by DJ13
After expending tremendous amounts of energies and capital to build themselves into global giants they succumbed to the typical short term profits (exec bonuses depend on it) instead of a long term business plan that almost every other publicly traded company is guilty of in the last 20 years.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 03:01 PM
Response to Original message
2. Well, let's be fair about Japan: the part in question was made by an American company
I'm not going to lay blame on one or the other: it was apparently Toyota's design. But it was CTS, in Elkhart, Indiana, that manufactured the gas pedals. Perhaps it's just that we have no more faith to lose in American manufacturing?

(That is why, I believe, our Prius is not on the list for the gas-pedal recall: it was manufactured in Japan.)



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. the part was made in canada to toyota specs,
both the canadian manufacture and toyota`s qc dept missed the problem. according to some reports toyota knew about the problem for several years and did nothing. there`s going to be people fired and people demoted within toyota. several years ago toyota got nailed for bad suspension parts. people were fired but it looks like the corporate climate has`t changed.

poor quality and cover-ups... was`t that the biggest complaint against the us car assembliers...



i own a 94 camry with 140,000 miles and when i start it the pistons sound like they are going through the block.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Sorry, the pedals in the US cars were made by CTS in Elkhart.
Toyota said that not all of the models listed in the recall have the faulty gas pedals, which were made by CTS Corp. of Elkhart, Ind.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100129/ap_on_bi_ge/toyota_recall

CTS corporation, headquartered out of Elkhart, made all of the accelerator pedals that are in the recalled cars. Toyota decided to recall 2.3 million vehicles that contained the CTS pedals.
http://www.wndu.com/hometop/headlines/82837977.html


Lastly, let me comment on your 1994 Camry, because we owned that same car for 12 years and approximately the same 140,000 miles as yours, before purchasing a Prius in 2006. We had no such piston problem. But c'mon: you have a 16 year old car with 140K miles on it ... you think a car runs trouble free forever? It's old, and it's amazing that it's given you such great service for so long. Second, this has nothing to do with the accelerator problem in question. It also has nothing to do with the quality of Toyota cars: I defy you to find many American cars that would be on the road and driving after such extended service. Get it fixed. It was clearly paid off years ago, and you have to invest in maintaining a car from time to time.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #4
10. made in canada...failed qc in canada and toyota`s assembly plants
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. Um, your article says only that they were made by CTS, based in Elkhart
Ford spokesman Said Deep said Thursday the diesel version of its Transit Classic built by a Chinese joint venture contains accelerators built by CTS Corp. (NYSE:CTS), based in Elkhart, Ind.

The only "Canada" I can find in this article is that it is from the Canadian press.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. Anne Clark said their Prius was "careening out of control" at 108 mph and that the gas pedal ...
http://www.statesman.com/business/for-toyota-drivers-confusion-and-anger-in-wake-202907.html

For Toyota drivers, confusion and anger in wake of recall

Company says gas pedal fix is coming

FROM STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS

Published: 9:35 p.m. Friday, Jan. 29, 2010

<snip>Although Toyota's hybrid Prius is not part of the current recall, it was among the vehicles listed last fall, when Toyota told customers that driver's side floor mats could potentially cause the accelerator to stick.

Lockhart residents Bill and Anne Clark experienced that problem firsthand last month while following an ambulance in their 2009 Prius at high speed to the scene of an accident at their nearby ranch.

Anne Clark said their Prius was "careening out of control" at 108 mph and that the gas pedal would not become unstuck, even when Bill Clark pulled at it as hard as he could with his foot and stomped on it. He was eventually able to shift into neutral and stop the car.

Anne Clark said a representative at a local Toyota dealership told her that they were "unable to do anything until we get a recall letter from Toyota" and instructed her to remove the floor mat.

The Clarks are convinced the mat isn't the problem because they had a custom mat and once the car cooled down, the pedal became unstuck.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. And we should believe someone we don't know named Ann Clark ...
who was in a high-speed chase to begin with?

I'm not saying it didn't happen ... but millions and millions of drivers have not had this happen to them. So someone was "following an ambulance at high speed to the scene of an accident". This is not normal driving conditions, and we don't know what the final analysis was ... or whether such a phenomenon would happen in other cars under the same conditions. We don't know if Bill Clark weighs 250 pounds. We really don't know anything from this article.

It's something that needs to be fixed--but I, for one, have no fear of driving my Prius under normal circumstances. And no, it is only subject to the "floor mat" recall, not the "gas pedal" recall.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. I will take Ann Clarks word over an anonymous internet poster
Hows that?

Don
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:41 PM
Response to Original message
6. They haven't lost my trust one single bit.
Consumer wise nothing is made in this country any more and I'll take Japanese products over Chinese goods anytime.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. "nothing is made in this country any more"
Nonsense. People say that to excuse themselves from responsibility as consumers. The only area I can see where such a broad statement applies is electronics. Otherwise I'm almost always able to find US made products.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 19th 2024, 10:25 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC