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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:04 PM
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This is why Republicans are worried
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:06 PM
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1. I live in Washington State, and I can guarantee that it would be solid blue, too.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:28 PM
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11. I agree.
I also live in Washington state, on the east side of the mountains which is pretty much red, but in the last election in my county, it was pretty close. A lot of young people are getting involved, and if the president can do what he talked about in his SOTU address the other night, he can get those people on his side voting for democrats. They want change just like the rest of us, and if they see that change it will go along ways in getting them out to vote on both sides of the state!
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 10:22 AM
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57. Same with Colorado
If Obama won WA and CO like he did, there's no way that didn't include carrying the youth vote by a healthy margin.
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:08 PM
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2. Wow! Even Kansas and much of the South. n/t
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:11 PM
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Even so, DO NOT take any of this for granted!!!
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Terra Alta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:11 PM
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3. that does give me some hope for the future.
Young people aren't stupid, and we know that Republican rule would do nothing but doom us, and the entire country.
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Betty Karlson Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 09:59 AM
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55. BUT: you need to earn their votes
And you won't get them out by just words. Remember Massachusetts? The 18-29 brigade was notably absent. Why? Lack of results.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:11 PM
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4. The point is young people have to get young people to vote.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:11 PM
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5. Yep. They Don't Know Reagan
They don't know anything about a cold war, and they don't want their treasure wasted on a bloated military while they cannot find jobs.

And, more importantly, they don't have this love and trust of corporate America as the Baby Boomers do.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:48 PM
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21. You cannot claim that all Boomers have love and trust for the corporations.
In fact, the Boomers are the ones who were protesting the 70's.
Many of them, anyhow.
I doubt Howard Zinn felt he should have retired from Social Justice activities when he turned 60.

Let's ease up on the age-ism and remember why we should be united in defeating the Corporate-ocracy, eh?
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:39 PM
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34. Yeah, Where Were The Boomers During The 80s
Oh, that's right voting for Reagan in two elections, with the second one being a landslide. Sure, I'll give the boomers credit for protesting Vietnam, but they've sure been quiet for Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 07:50 PM
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36. Well, I was protesting
but the crowds were rather small. I am a boomer, and have never knowingly voted for any republican, even in "non-partisan" local races.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 09:10 AM
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47. I was opposed to Reagan. By the 80's the people born in the 60's were voting
They may be considered, marginally, part of the baby boomers but they are outliers for sure. My generation and those just ahead of me (born in 1955) were the ones who raised hell about civil rights, Viet Nam, and women's rights. We have also watched the generations who came after disintegrate into apathy and sit idly by while the rights we won get negotiated away a little at a time. Slackers, all.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 03:04 PM
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61. I never voted for Reagan or any repukes, It was the Xs and old people who loved Reagan
I know because I was in market research analyzing political focus groups during that time right before his election.

I traveled extensively in the early 80s in Asia, when I saw Reagan busting the air traffic controller, trying to lower minimum wages, and killing social services it was real obvious to me that they were trying to turn this country into something resembling the third world.

signed,
a boomer
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 09:06 AM
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46. Thank you."Let's ease up on the age-ism"
I was born in 1955 and have never voted for a Republican or had any love for the Corporatocracy.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 11:45 PM
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37. I loathe corporate crap. I don't know anyone who loves corporations.
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condoleeza Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 04:49 AM
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42. You are SO wrong about the Boomers
Edited on Mon Feb-01-10 05:04 AM by condoleeza
I protested Vietnam from 67 until the end of the war and have actively protested every war since then. Most of the people I have been with at protests are my generation. We were the original generation that attacked corporations as the evildoers they are. Get your facts straight, OK? I have NEVER trusted corporations or the US Gov't and know few of my gen who do.

There would be a whole lot more activism if we still had the draft. The Republicans are pretty focused on keeping segments of our society so impoverished that they have no other options for work, and thus it goes...and who is going to fight for them? They have no power, problem solved, Army filled, war can go on wherever, whenever, corporate America's greedy little hand wants to go.

Edited to add this link, which is my all time favorite rant, written by a fellow boomer after the election in 2004: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/bos/47780164.html
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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:12 PM
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6. Exactly.
Move over, Baby Boomers. It's time to retire.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 09:21 AM
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48. Well, we're not likely to retire anytime soon
Considering those of us born later in the boom have spent our entire working lives in the years of stagnating, declining wages and companies no longer offering retirement plans most of us will work til we die. Too bad the generations that came after us never saw fit to take to the streets to fight for anything. And never have seemed too concerned about frittering away the rights we risked our lives to win for people.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 03:06 PM
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62. Yep, can't afford to retire.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 10:28 AM
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58. fuck that noise, kid.
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:12 PM
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7. Thank-you.
That's the most encouraging thing I've seen for some time.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:14 PM
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8. After losing Kennedy's seat to a Republican you say THEY are worried?
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:05 PM
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25. I was thinking the same thing.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:40 PM
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35. When You Don't Give Them Anyone That They Can Vote For
They will stay home.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 04:18 AM
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41. That race was lost because we had an idiot for a candidate, not as part of
Edited on Mon Feb-01-10 04:19 AM by old mark
any "trend" as the GOP wants to believe.

Although if fear of a GOP takeover encourages more Dems to vote, then it's a good thing.

mark
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 09:49 AM
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54. ***COAKLEY LITERALLY WENT ON VACATION WITHOUT TRACKING NUMBERS!!!***
Why do people continue to prefer this meme without the cavaete!?
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bobburgster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:19 PM
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9. I hope they come out in 2010 too!
:)
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:20 PM
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10. That's encouraging.
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blaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:30 PM
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12. Colorado? Tied or Red?
I wonder.

Where did you find this?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:53 PM
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27. It was posted by one of my Facebook friends
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blaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:07 PM
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28. Not to belabor the point....
but I'd really like to be able to site some references for my more annoying RW coworkers....

Can your FB friend supply some links?

It would be really helpful.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:16 PM
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30. I can ask
It has been going around in the Young Dems groups. I've seen it a couple times before.
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blaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:27 PM
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32. Much appreciated proud!! n/t
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:31 PM
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13. The trait common to the youth is that they don't want bs. They have
Edited on Sun Jan-31-10 04:33 PM by peacetalksforall
credibility meters that are set high naturally. I think that is why I sometimes stare at photos of people like O'Keefe, Dai, Hannah and the other two, even up to the age of Breitbart and Gannon and try to figure out what is wrong with them compared to what I call many fine youth who are highly logical thinkers - for themselves. The right wing ones all remind me of eternally boyish Ralph Reed who is as sinister as they come - their common characteristic is supreme meanness, evil intent, and maniputlative drive.

Bravo to the preponderance of our youth who are broad minded, universal, who think logically, and who know propaganda when they see it/hear it or when a little light is shown with highlights of quotes, incidents, political crimes from before their birth entrance and teen years.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:31 PM
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14. Meh, I have little hope for my generation (today's youth.)
They were raised by corporate America after all. They only vote dem for the social issues.
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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:53 PM
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23. I don't think they give a shit about corporations
And if there's one thing that young people like to do, it is to rebel.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 09:26 AM
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49. I've seen no evidence that the youth of today or any generation behind mine
have the first clue what rebelling means.
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euphoria12leo Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 09:47 AM
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52. Young people like to rebel
and they are so darn good at it. They come equipped with a how-to-book at birth.
Given to them in the nursery.


:)
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:33 PM
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15. If they show up.
that's the kicker.

Hopefully, the Democrats will do enough to earn their participation in the next election.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:34 PM
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16. you mean the fat, old, white man's party thinks ahead?
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:37 PM
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17. The fat old white guys are still calling the shots for the GOP.



(Grand Obstructionist Pedophiles)


The voters have finally seen the man behind the curtain.


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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:04 PM
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24. with some heavy duty, well financed thugs behind them.
One reason why the GOP will never wither and die? $$$$$.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:37 PM
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18. The reason being is that they're still not fighting The Cold War.
The words "Socialist", "Marxist", "Stalinist", "Communist", etc, have no emotional significance to anyone with any kind of intelligence under the age of 45.

They didn't buy into the "welfare queens" myth.

They aren't buying the "Horatio Alger" lies.

They believe in "Separation of Church and State".

They seem to be able to put 2 and 2 together on the National Debt.

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:53 PM
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22. Maybe not but they are still pushing for a "clash of cultures" war with
"Islamists." They are busy creating a larger enemy. The President has been trying to cool the rhetoric and expand diplomatic ties with the Muslim world, if people could just stop a minute and take a serious look at is really happening. Yes, there is an escalation in Afghanistan, but with this administration, I don't believe we are there to stay. We need to get behind expanded diplomacy both here at home and abroad.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:39 PM
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19. Hailing from a "No data" State
the blueish square one...
I can say it is a toss up.

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:42 PM
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20. Because all they remember is W.
At 34, I remember Reagan and HW vaguely but Clinton very well. But W was the biggest disaster of them all.
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theothersnippywshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:36 PM
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26. Haley Barbour mentioned this shortly after Obama's election.
From an interview with Barbour published in January, 2009:
Another worrisome trend he mentions is the youth vote. "We've got young people who voted for Obama by better than a 2-to-1 margin. The data is very clear, that when people vote in their first two presidential elections for the same party, more than 80% of those people are going to stay with that party for the rest of their life, barring some big event that changes it."

This gives the GOP four years to learn to communicate with the iPod generation. The party, he says, must figure out how to tap new media and new messaging to reach out and touch 20-somethings.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123154731803469889.html
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:11 PM
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29. Repugs were soooo excited..
when they could report to the media that they knew how to Twitter..
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:22 PM
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31. Can't you make that blue in Iowa just a little deeper!! yep
:hi:
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 09:02 AM
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45. Yep. n/t
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:34 PM
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33.  Ha ha. I thought everybody already knew this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_95F5e-Ac

It might not be a positive thing to point out that Obama is not as heavily supported by people with more life experience.
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The Midway Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 12:14 AM
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38. Ah, the demographic switch from voting for the kind of a guy
that folks wanted to drink a beer with to voting for the kind of guy folks would like to smoke a doobie with.
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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 02:05 AM
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39. Exactly
and they're also scared because the older crowd that also has many racists, is dying out.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 09:00 AM
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44. And, we have to push for our fair shake. I'm sick of Dems being run down every damn day in the MSM
while these useless bums offer nothing.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 02:20 AM
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40. In 8 years...the GOP/Bush self destructed with inept leadership
and disastrous decisions based on greed rather than Country

The Nation shifted just enought to change the red to blue

Bush united the Dems and Indies to the point of landslide and a repudiation of the GOP

at the same time...
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 08:58 AM
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43. They're useless. They contribute nothing but worn out hack rhetoric. They offer no solutions.
They offer "no".
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 09:28 AM
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50. I suspect a map of Latino voters would look pretty similar (nt)
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 09:31 AM
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51. We should put marijuana legalization initiatives on the ballots of as many of these states
as possible to ensure high turnouts of these demographics in 2012.

Use the pot issue the way Rove used the gay marriage Wedge issue in 2004 to guarantee turn out of the base.

We might keep our majorities and Obama may even end up being a two termer...
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 03:09 PM
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63. Great idea!!!
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 09:48 AM
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53. NICE
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ChoppinBroccoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 10:13 AM
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56. I've Been Saying This For A Long Time
Generally, liberal-leaning voters are younger (and conversely, younger voters are generally more liberal). The people who vote on the Republican line ("values," "morals," "religious nuttery") are generally old people.

Now, one might say, "Well, the problem is the old people outnumber the young (see the Social Security problem as an example). The Baby Boomers are all becoming Senior Citizens." That's true. But there's another thing that's true of old people: they die. So in the coming years, the Republicans' BASE of voters is going to be DEAD. And while I know that being dead didn't stop a lot of people from voting for Bush in 2000 and 2004, being dead usually IS a problem for the people counting on your votes.

The Republicans need to take advantage of things RIGHT NOW, before their base dies off. But therein lies ANOTHER problem for the righties. They have no candidates. Even as unpopular as Obama SEEMS right now, he'd still take down any one of the current Republican front-runners without even breaking a sweat. Nominate Sarah Failin and Obama carries 48 States. Nominate Mitt Romney and Obama beats him worse than he beat McCain. Nominate Huckabee and every stupid thing he ever said on Faux News gets made into a TV commercial, to the point that he becomes the next Dukakis. Nominate Jeb Bush? Yeah, in addition to being saddled with THAT family name, guys who have been out of political office for a decade are generally GREAT candidates, right? Jindal? Pawlenty? Crist? They get slaughtered. So the Republicans have a real problem. They've got a President that absolutely hate, but no candidate capable of taking him down.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 10:28 AM
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59. and as they age, will they become stoic and staid?
one wonders. I hope not.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 01:11 PM
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60. GA is red but AL isn't?
Are they sure about that?
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 04:07 PM
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64. Well look at that - Texas is blue
Let's keep this map in mind the next time the bashing against us starts again.

37 or 38 Electoral College votes after redistricting. Just saying.

:applause: for us. It will happen!

:kick:

Sonia
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