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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:02 PM Original message |
There Is No Such Thing as A "Pendulum" In American Politics. Be Alarmed, We Are Moving Rightward. |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. if they are that stupid they deserve what they get |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. There are a lot of weary progressives that feel the same way. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 05:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
92. I grow weary, that's a fact. |
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maleficentia (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 08:24 AM Response to Reply #92 |
111. Democrats don't have a majority in congress, |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #111 |
114. So what are you saying? |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #114 |
134. I think the electorate were victims of bait and switch |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #134 |
147. It's time Americans got a 'president of their peers...maybe less' It's Palin's Time. |
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maleficentia (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #114 |
149. Not exactly |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. I feel the same way some days... |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Yeah, but the problem is, if they get what they deserve, they'll have brought that |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. calimary, the impact of that single SCOTUS ruling you mention can not be calculated |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 07:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. I'm afraid to even try to calculate what that ruling means. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #33 |
64. Wow. You are channeling my thoughts and mood. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:20 AM Response to Reply #64 |
76. It's not just about how bright or how brainwashed and it's more than just the media. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 06:04 AM Response to Reply #76 |
94. No. The reason Obama's speeches are |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #94 |
124. you mean the traditionally "liberal" party. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #124 |
129. But the electorate still voted |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #129 |
155. Center right means nothing if you just look at issues like HCR. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #155 |
200. I agree with you! |
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conturnedpro09 (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #129 |
178. Sure they were. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #178 |
202. One of the issues that |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #124 |
167. "the democratic party would rather lose to the republicans than to actually be progressive" |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #167 |
170. "The left" has nowhere else to go, but corporate money does. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #170 |
211. Ain't that the truth! |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #94 |
154. That makes no sense. Look at his books as well, blame the media too? |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
184. I wouldn't say that most of them aren't bright. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 01:46 AM Response to Reply #33 |
74. That's not gloomy, that's a strong dose of reality. Very well said. |
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Eric Condon (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:20 AM Response to Reply #33 |
75. I'm always amazed at idealistic DUers who say this country is basically liberal at heart |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:50 AM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Right, and that's why President Obama didn't win and why |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 06:09 AM Response to Reply #75 |
96. If the country is not liberal, or |
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twitomy (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 06:28 AM Response to Reply #96 |
99. The country may be center right, |
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Eric Condon (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #96 |
142. The reason Dems won in those elections |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #142 |
157. 2004 was simply another steal -- |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #142 |
164. Your posts in this thread are like pictures with the blurry thumbprint |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #75 |
156. We hear a lot about Bible Belt mentality -- |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #156 |
161. +1 |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 05:53 AM Response to Reply #33 |
93. No reason to be sorry. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #93 |
158. Corporatism intends to frustrate the machinery of democracy . . . and |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 05:44 PM Response to Reply #158 |
199. Ain't THAT The TRUTH And How VERY Sad! There Are Days That |
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DisgustedInMN (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #33 |
117. There's much to be gloomy about, unfortunately. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #117 |
172. DisgustedInMN, well said |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #117 |
190. See, my problem is - I no longer have faith in the effect of that big ugly storm brewing. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-10-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #190 |
223. It's not ever going to make sense to shuffle the |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 11:33 AM Response to Reply #33 |
133. David Always Has GREAT Posts, So I Like You Feel The Gloomy Gus |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #133 |
159. Obviously, the right wing propaganda is succeeding in making you |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 05:56 PM Response to Reply #159 |
201. Hey There! Yep, I Do Let It Get Me Down, But I'm So Sick Of MSM |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-09-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #201 |
216. STOP watching it -- we've been "sick" of MSM for the past 20 years or more!! |
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ThomThom (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #33 |
187. good rant Mary |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 01:42 AM Response to Reply #12 |
73. Strongly support your first sentence. Should shout that same response |
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PinkoDonkey (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. But is not just "them" who will "deserve what they get". |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 03:19 AM Response to Reply #14 |
83. . |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
53. I feel the same ALL THE TIME these days. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 03:27 AM Response to Reply #53 |
85. You and I are that public. What do we deserve? Doesn't that matter? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #85 |
162. Amazing how defeat brings more defeat and more discouragement ...!! |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #162 |
168. I can feel it. It's real. The answer, our response, always has to be the same |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #168 |
195. "It's up to us and when we organize we are not alone." |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #53 |
160. Will the Supreme Court "get what it deserves"??? |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
78. Problem is that we will get it too. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 03:27 AM Response to Reply #78 |
86. +1 |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #1 |
123. I hate that line of thinking. Yes, they deserve what they get but we all have to suffer. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #123 |
163. Americans are not stupid ... they are voting on computers which are hackable. . . |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #163 |
196. I'm sorry, but the average American is not very politically sophisticated at all. Stupid |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 10:44 PM Response to Reply #196 |
212. It's not only the word . . . it's blaming fellow citizens for problems caused by capitalism . . . |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-09-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #212 |
220. I hear you, but things changed after Watergate. We used to have an engaged populist. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-09-10 09:10 PM Response to Reply #220 |
221. Things changed after 1963 . . . |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
144. "They"?? Are you not an American? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #144 |
174. +1 |
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ThomThom (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
175. unfortunately if they go down, they are going to take us down with them |
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ThomThom (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
176. unfortunately if they go down, they are going to take us down with them |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
2. K/R - Ideals, whether left/right, good/evil, do not swing back & forth. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think in tough times people move right and then things get tougher, etc. nt |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Then they wake up too late.. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 05:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. we cant compete with the CorpAmerica propaganda machine. nt |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 05:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Not and be nice about it. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 08:45 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. Exactly! We keep bringing a knife to a gunfight. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
180. We can turn the TVs off -- limit the money we give to corporations . . . |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 06:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
97. C-Span? I am so disgusted |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #97 |
182. Re C-span . . . when it first began, it was about the only place you could |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #182 |
204. Oh yeah. |
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Cosmocat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 11:46 AM Response to Reply #3 |
136. The problem with that is ... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
151. I think it's just the opposite ... when people understand WHY something is happening .... |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #151 |
173. I never heard that saying before, but I totally agree! |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
6. Only because we're being shoved |
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Bonhomme Richard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
7. The question I have to answer is do I have faith in the American people? |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:28 AM Response to Reply #7 |
62. It's hard clay to work with these days. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 06:22 AM Response to Reply #62 |
98. Friend, with all due respect, |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 10:07 AM Response to Reply #98 |
122. And scores of Dems railed hard against the "loonies" who made that initial, obvious call |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #98 |
206. You are right, of course. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 10:05 AM Response to Reply #7 |
121. Nor I. There's a staggering majority who haven't the vaguest clue as to historic RW shifts |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #121 |
130. This is the result of a dumbed down society |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #130 |
131. Perhaps our species will make some last min evolutionary leap...lol |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
153. How do you decide that when we vote on computers? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
9. Well said. How can anyone think there is a pendulum when the only two Dem presidents... |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. +1, n/t |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
10. "All politics is local." Tip O'Neill Most Americans are non-ideoligical. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #10 |
169. But we're all voting on computers . . . which are hackable . . . |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
11. A reality kick for my friend. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 11:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
50. Thanks, Kentuck. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #50 |
132. Thanks for enduring David. |
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90-percent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
15. Quaint |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 07:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
34. Rescued from our own gov't? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
166. Keep in mind there's a "dungeon" here at DU . . . |
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90-percent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
17. As a boomer |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 06:28 AM Response to Reply #17 |
100. Great post! |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #100 |
135. That was my first thought, too, Enthusiast. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #17 |
113. Things were pretty bad in the 50s and 60s as well. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #113 |
185. Thank you for those important reminders . . . |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
18. The repukes successfully took over our media thanks to the fat ass and the crazy lunatic. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
186. Corporate-press is a reality, but so is MOCKINGBIRD . . . |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
19. Moving America "Rightward" is like two men on a bicycle built for two ... |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 03:32 AM Response to Reply #19 |
88. . |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
20. There are many ways to say it. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
23. Long term demographics are in our favor |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Not when that demographic is docile, complacent and spoon fed their lot in life. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Long term yes.. I am more worried about short term, like the next election. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 06:37 AM Response to Reply #27 |
101. Yes, so right you are. |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Demographics alone makes zero difference. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. +1 |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:04 AM Response to Reply #23 |
57. How are long-term demographics in our favor? |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 06:46 AM Response to Reply #57 |
102. America is becoming more urban, more diverse, more educated and younger... |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #102 |
208. I hope you're right. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-09-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #208 |
219. Article: "A Permanent Democratic Majority?" |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 03:38 AM Response to Reply #23 |
89. post a link next time if you can't take the time to explain |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
25. "George W. Bush can be morphed into Barack Obama." |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. You know better, but I know what you are driving at. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 06:50 AM Response to Reply #31 |
103. Limbaugh was calling it |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 07:06 AM Response to Reply #31 |
107. "The Left, frustrated, sometimes may taunt Obama with that rhetoric to move him to the Left" |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #31 |
115. +1 |
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ThomThom (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
198. The problem is the Democrats appear to have a majority |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
26. for most of my life there has been a perceived pendulum |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
28. k/r |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
30. The corporate bail put and insurance reform |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 01:02 AM Response to Reply #30 |
69. Thanks for calling it "Insurance Reform" and not "Healthcare Reform" |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 06:56 AM Response to Reply #69 |
105. If he has a small microphone |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
35. K&R |
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wildflower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
36. I think the period is more like 80 years |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. I am familiar with their generational hypothesis, but when it comes to history, I'm a Marxist. |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
37. Damn David, you out did yourself on this one...Fucking GREAT post! |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 01:24 AM Response to Reply #37 |
71. Thanks BHN. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 07:01 AM Response to Reply #71 |
106. It is as plain as that. |
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cadmium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
39. The more miserable and afraid people are the further right they go nt |
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johnnyplankton (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I'M TIRED, I'M IN DESPAIR, BUT I AIN'T DEAD YET.... |
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cadmium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 08:37 AM Response to Reply #41 |
112. Exactly. Somehow try to encourage stressed |
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jonathon (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
40. I am in complete agreement. These nutjobs need to be stopped NOW> |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
43. I am on board with your opinion.... |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:13 AM Response to Reply #43 |
60. And we have very little options. |
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wouldsman (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
44. I agree. People often say "it is just cyclical" |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 11:55 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Welcome to the DU, wouldsman! |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
45. Important post, DZ. I agree, there is no pendulum. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:04 AM Response to Reply #45 |
58. I'm there and I'm with you. |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 11:46 AM Response to Reply #45 |
137. I am a few years older than you and for the first time I am seeing death |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #137 |
188. Needless to say, the frustration among liberals/progressives is easy to see |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
46. There is no pendulum |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
47. It took me 50 years to figure it out. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. I can not disagree with a word you wrote. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 07:10 AM Response to Reply #47 |
108. The nation doesn't |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
189. While I completely recognize the fear of your final sentence . . . |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
48. We still have a strong majority |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
49. As corporations gain more and more control - we will not be able to undo the damage- |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 11:59 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. KR |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:00 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. KR |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:11 AM Response to Reply #49 |
59. You are on the mark on so many dimensions. |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 03:25 AM Response to Reply #49 |
84. well said. nt |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 07:26 AM Response to Reply #49 |
109. +10,000! |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #109 |
141. No one nails it like Mr. Fish. |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #49 |
140. An excellent post, scentopine! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
191. This level of despair and frustration is EXACTLY what the right wing seeks to create -- !!! |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #191 |
205. I'm not giving up figthing - just changing venues for the fight... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #205 |
210. Okay . .. don't wander off alone ... |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
56. K&R |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
61. An organized resistance is the enemy |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
63. I witnessed miracles |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
65. The Man With The Money Makes The Rules... Until The Man With The Gun Arrives.... |
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NAO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #65 |
148. The Men with the Guns are on the payroll of the Men with the Money |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #148 |
207. Which would be just like the Pinkertons. |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
66. K&R |
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LarryNM (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
67. No Pendulum and No Left/Right |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
68. The whole argument between left and right, |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
70. K&R. Very well said !! //nt |
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givemebackmycountry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
72. THIS is a great thread and a wonderful OP - Thanks DZ |
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flying rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
77. Yes. n/t |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:39 AM Response to Original message |
79. I agree. I think we had better prepare ourselves for several decades of intense fascism. |
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Democat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 03:11 AM Response to Original message |
81. In many ways, the country has been getting more liberal every day |
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AsahinaKimi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 03:16 AM Response to Original message |
82. They are certainly not going to go away... |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 03:29 AM Response to Original message |
87. Bookmarked and Recommended. nt |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 03:41 AM Response to Original message |
90. We have been since at least the 1980's |
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Dragonfly (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-09-10 07:23 AM Response to Reply #90 |
218. Appreciate the historical perspective |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-09-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #218 |
222. Thanks Dragonfly |
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Shining Jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 05:23 AM Response to Original message |
91. K&R |
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spicegal (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 06:08 AM Response to Original message |
95. I do agree with you.... |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 07:36 AM Response to Reply #95 |
110. The reason |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
104. Because "the right" manages to accomplish their agenda, when they are in power. |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
116. K&R. nt |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
118. More like a river being dammed from reaching the sea than a pendulum. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
119. Well put. K&R |
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Ishoutandscream2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
120. Nailed it. Nothing more to say. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
125. You are quite right, of course. But MSM will have none of that... |
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gtar100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
126. Our thinking of history is often far too short. |
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gtar100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
127. Our thinking of history is often far too short. |
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shireen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
128. "but the sad truth is that the American people are just too easily manipulated" |
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Hestia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
138. The Pendulum always swings "a move to the right is a move to the left" |
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ProgressOnTheMove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
139. There's a pendulum and I'm going to push it if I have to do it myself. Even with the latest ruling.. |
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NAO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
143. "From the moment that Franklin Roosevelt died" ACTUALLY, IT STARTED WHILE FDR WAS STILL IN OFFICE |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
145. Right wing violence and propaganda has worked over decades -- |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
146. Your lifetime is your experience? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
150. Been "alarmed" for more than 20 years now -- probably since '63 . .. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
152. How do you explain the shift in attitudes toward gay marriage? |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #152 |
213. Maybe I didn't address that enough. |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
165. I agree....I have been watching that shift to the right for a long time now... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #165 |
177. There is NO legitimate switch to the right . .. any more thanT-baggers are |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 11:50 PM Response to Reply #177 |
214. Yes but never before in our own history have the masses had as much |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #214 |
215. Okay . . . !!! |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
171. How did the last election fit into this picture? |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #171 |
181. After Gore/Bush & Kerry/Bush, do you actually believe 'the people' control "elections?" |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #181 |
203. Why didn't they take the last presidential election? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #171 |
192. Well, I think liberals were resting after the 1960's . . . and violence of Kent State . .. |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #192 |
197. I agree. Look at the great struggles in the past 50 years. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #197 |
209. Agree -- thank you! |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
179. WTF is a "neo-fascist"? |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #179 |
183. Neo-fascism in America |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #183 |
194. LOL |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #179 |
193. It means WWII isn't over ... |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-09-10 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
217. This "pendulum' was ripped down and crushed on November 22, 1963. |
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