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heli Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:22 AM
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When Security Takes Longer Than the Flight (WSJ)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704398804575071370640933954.html

FEBRUARY 17, 2010
When Security Takes Longer Than the Flight (WSJ)
By SCOTT MCCARTNEY

To get through airport security in Toronto for a flight to the United States, you now have to go through eight different screening lines or ID checks. Most passengers either get a pat-down or have their carry-on bags unpacked on tables, with every toiletry kit and pajama pair carefully checked. And tight restrictions on carry-on luggage force most road warriors to check their roll-a-board bags...

Indeed, since the Dec. 25 bombing attempt, travelers headed to the U.S. have faced much tighter security. New rules issued by the federal government dictate that a majority of inbound travelers have to undergo individual searches, once a dreaded rarity for passengers. The searches can include pat-downs, emptying out carry-on luggage and even leafing through wallets and personal papers. Those rules are likely to stay in force for a long time, officials say. It could be months or even years before high-tech devices such as body scanners replace frisking, for example. So, as we enter the busy spring and summer travel season, hassles and delays are likely to increase. "If you're coming inbound to the U.S., it's going to be a tough summer unless we get some creative change in the security rules," said Steve Lott, a spokesman for the International Air Transport Association. Passengers are told to show up early for flights to the U.S. — often three hours or more, even for 90-minute flights from Canada and Mexico...

Canada has proven to be a particular trouble spot. To lessen the volume of clothes, papers, gadgets and pill bottles that screeners must go through by hand, Canadian authorities have unilaterally tightened carry-on luggage limits. Normal-sized roll-aboard bags aren't allowed. Mike Hudson of Dallas never checks a bag on his business trips — until he was trying to leave Toronto last week. "I think the whole thing is kind of ridiculous," he said. In Toronto, travelers line up to have their boarding passes checked and carry-on bags sized and tagged before reaching U.S. Customs and Immigration inspectors. Once past the baggage policing and customs, travelers get another document check, regular security screening and a check of boarding passes again. Then it's on to the secondary screening station for yet another document check and the screening itself. Authorities have rows of tables up and down a corridor just past the main security checkpoints. One screener selects travelers for secondary screening; about four of every five passengers were selected on one recent afternoon. Screeners had each traveler empty pockets onto tables. Electronics were tested for explosive traces. Suitcases, purses and all other bags were completely emptied out, with authorities checking every compartment and unfolding clothes to make sure nothing was hidden. After that, there's a final boarding pass check. In all, you have to line up eight times...

"This isn't crowded and still it was an extra hour," said John Finley, a steel-company salesman heading to Minneapolis. "There were so many checks and balances, the fourth time is a bit unnecessary." "Why don't they just get two dogs and sniff everything if they are worried about bombs?" asked Sam Goldstein, a Salt Lake City psychologist, as he stood in Line No. 6 awaiting secondary screening. Dr. Goldstein, who travels about 150,000 miles a year, said that as a psychologist he marvels at how quickly people adjust. "You become indoctrinated to this," he said. But as a scientist, he also wonders why governments don't give travelers more data to justify the effectiveness of enhanced screening. "They want to give the appearance that they are doing something. What would be nice to know is the success rate of various procedures. I think the public has a right to know," he said.

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jjcrain Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:43 AM
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1. I had to go to Toronto last week
I can say that the security there was ridiculous and the wait in line was terrible.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:07 AM
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2. How about this...have the police pack your luggage and drive you to the airport!
That'll save you a whole lotta line time! :sarcasm:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:10 AM
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3. Just announced On Tampa Fl TV tonight..we will now have our hands swabbed ..yes you read that right,
both hands swabbed and then put through a machine to check if you have anything suspicious on your hands!

The news said ..plan extra time now at the airport.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 04:37 AM
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5. anything suspicious on one's hands? like what, jizz? i don't get it.
& in fact, i don't think there's anything to get.

it's either psyops to cow the population or there's something going on beneath the surface that the general public's not aware of.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:48 AM
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9. they said explosive residue or other residue..I guess they never heard of rubber gloves??? eom
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 11:08 AM
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11. Initially it will be limited to a subset of randomly selected passengers
and probably everyone in high suspicion categories. That's pretty much what happens now but it's the person's bags that are swabbed, not the person. Of course, it's always possible that it will become a primary screening technique in the near future since passengers have been so willing to put up with ANY new "security technique" at the airport.

I'm with the psychologist quoted in the OP: I marvel at how quickly people have adapted to all of the new screenings and checkpoint procedures without even asking how effective any of this stuff is.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 04:06 AM
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4. It takes 3.5 to 4 hours to drive to Vegas (from Riverside CA)
Depending on traffic to the airport & how far one is from the airport you "can" get there faster by car, even though the flight is rather short..

drive 35-40 minutes
arrive 1.5 to 2 hrs. early (for security stuff and peace of mind..don;t wanne be late and get a hassle)
the actual flying time (45 minute or so) (I think)
the time spent getting luggage (probably 20 minutes or so)
the time spent waiting to get a shuttle or cab to the hotel or rental car (20 minutes or so)

If you plan your time of day correctly and do not drive on Friday night to Vegas, you can drive there comfortable, and maybe even stop at Baker for a bite to eat, and still make it there faster..and no one wands you, digs through your luggage or makes you take your shoes off..
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jjcrain Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:00 AM
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6. My friends in Southern Cal always drive there
I've been told that many people do the same, causing a very long line that stretches for many, many miles across the desert on certain days of the year.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:54 PM
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12. If you avoid Friday afternoon, it's a breeze
We usually leave about 7PM on Thursday and are in our room chilling by 11:30.. of course we stop for dinner in Barstow & for coffee in Baker :)
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:06 AM
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7. I live in San Diego, and I usually drive to Las Vegas
It's not too bad of a drive, and you have the comfort of your own car when you're there.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:32 AM
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8. I would never even consider flying within a 8 hr driving range let alone 3.5
And that was before the security idiocy ratcheted up the last few notches.

My personal barrier is a full day of heavy but not insane driving - so say 700 miles or so if straight highway. I drove to job interviews in Indiana when I lived half an hour north of Buffalo for example.
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igfoth Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 11:00 AM
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10. Toronto Airport, US Customs and Immigration
is the 7th Ring of HELL!

Post 9/11 that place is a nightmare and should be avoided at all costs!

If I have to fly to Toronto I go via Montreal or Ottawa, that way you avoid the 7th ring of hell and are flying domestic in Canada vice international.
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:45 PM
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13. Up until 2005, I used to fly from Toronto to Boston
After that, it worked out that driving the 500 miles myself was about the same length of time. My destinations were were ~60 miles from either end by car, that factored into it as well. I got to have liquids to drink on the trip, bring more than one bag for a week's trip and souvenirs, and schedule my own departure/arrival times. I got leg/hiproom, my own choice of meal, and my bags weren't torn apart. From then on, I cursed the money I had given to the airlines to be treated like cattle. I'll never do that again!

Taking the plane: 7 hours and $500 (including security, check-in time, getting to/from airport, parking)
Driving myself: 8-8.5 hours and $250

Unfortunately, Amtrak never quite worked (e.g. three hour wait scheduled at the border, trains missed each other in Albany), or I would have tried that first and probably liked it more.
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