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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:29 AM
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How much does President Obama expect us to pay for health care? By Don McCanne, MD


How much does President Obama expect us to pay for health care?
By Don McCanne, MD
February 22, 2010

The greatest significance of President Obama's health care reform proposal released today is that he has now formally placed his stamp of approval on the fundamental policies already contained in the House and Senate reform bills. While remaining silent on some of the third rail issues (public option, Medicare buy-in, pregnancy termination, etc.), he and his staff merely tweaked the bills and added insurance premium rate review, whatever that's worth, and some rhetoric on waste, fraud, and abuse.

His proposal still falls far short on two of the most important goals of reform: 1) insuring everyone, and 2) ensuring that health care is affordable for each of us. Merely tweaking the Senate version, which is what they did, could not have attained these goals since the most effective policies were already traded away before serious negotiations began.

That said, let's look at what the President expects a family of four with an income of $66,000 to pay for health care. The premium contribution would be 9.5% of income, or $6270 for the basic plan with an actuarial value of 70%. If they wanted or needed a better plan, they would have to pay the full difference in the premium. At an actuarial value of 70%, they would also have to pay an average of 30% of all health care costs. This can vary considerably because of plan design in the form of deductibles, copayments, coinsurance, non-covered benefits, stop loss, out-of-network care exempt from stop loss, and other factors. If they either elected not to or were unable to pay the premium, they would have to pay a penalty of $1650, but then, of course, they would have no protection at all against potential health care costs.

Clearly, President Obama has not done any better than Congress in protecting families from financial hardship should they have the misfortune of developing significant medical problems. Unaffordable underinsurance is not the change that we needed.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2010/february/how-much-does-president-obama-expect-us-to-pay-for-health-care

The President's Proposal
The White House
February 22, 2010

Policies to Improve Affordability and Accountability

Example for a family of four with income of $66,000:

Maximum percent of income paid for premiums: 9.5%

Percent of costs paid by health insurance plan: 70%

Penalty for remaining uninsured: (in 2016) the higher of $695 (with indexed increases) or 2.5% of income

Hardship exemption - threshold income below which the penalty is waived: The income tax filing threshold ($9,350 for a single or $18,700 for a married couple in 2009)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/proposal

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:32 AM
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1. Recommend
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:32 AM
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2. The only real answer is Medicare for all, AKA single payer
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:33 AM
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3. Just another bill to pay for not much in return. n/t
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:36 AM
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4. $9,000 a year and your fine is waived? WTF
So if you make $10,000 a year you have to pay a fine for not being able to afford to contribute to the healthcare industry's profits.


Unreal.

Man, I'm starting to hate these Heartless bastards.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:42 AM
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5. recommend and...
:kick:
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:44 AM
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6. With our lives, apparently.
:(
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:50 AM
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7. 70% actuarial sucks cock
Seriously.

Its winter time. My family has had 6 visits this month to the doctor due to everything going around. My children were developing pnemonia. Thankfully, I have Canadian insurance, which has no co-pay to deter usage at point of service.

But without it, and under one of these plans, I would of paid an additional $250 dollars this month (not including an x-ray I got yesterday). Sure, I can scrape together that cash (maybe not after paying $6K in premiums a year), but can a poorer family get the health care access they need if they have a bad month? Sure, they are covered but they have 30% hanging over their head and 9.5% of their income too.
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ubergeek Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:53 AM
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8. Insanity
If you look at Whitehouse.gov it'll tell you premiums will go down, blah blah blah - President Obama looks straight into the camera and says it will be less expensive. However...when you dig into the bill, we're all about to get screwed.

It would be nice for everyone to have healthcare, like in Canada or New Zealand - but the bills that have been presented thus far will not get us there.

I don't want to pay 10% of my measly salary for health care. I'd rather eat and pay my mortgage.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:55 AM
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9. Well said.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:59 AM
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10. You,
and about 45,000 of us, feel that eating and having a roof over our heads is very important.

Welcome to DU. :hi:
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 12:01 PM
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12. Welcome to Democratic Underground!
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 12:01 PM
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11. President Obama made a deal with Healthcare and Pharma
Edited on Tue Feb-23-10 12:34 PM by icee
executives between February and March,2009. Part of the that deal was No Public Option. Despite this, the Democrat's HCR failed because Democrat House Members couldn't coalesce around the Senate Plan (IOW they stood up for the little people). Now, because of a sure defeat in the mid-terms, the Democrats are ostensibly rallying around a new HCR plan WITH a public option. President Obama is sticking to his original script, though trying to massage it with empty threats to the insurance companies on rollbacks of large premium increases. So, basically, we have certain Democrat Senate and House members trying to do what is right, others just jumping on the band wagon to show they are still Democrats, and a President, in essence, working against them because of fear of retaliation from Healthcare, Pharma and the Insurance Industry. Roosevelt and/or Johnson would have said: Congress, American People--I'm with you. Let's run the crooks out of business and get some real Healthcare Reform. That is not even remotely happening here. Instead, a not-so-clever-ill-disguised finesse is being orchestrated by the President.

The beat goes on...
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PHIMG Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 12:20 PM
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13. Medicare for All : You Pay for it, Now Demand It!
Fact: Taxes already pay for more than 60 percent of US health spending. Americans pay the highest health care taxes in the world. We pay for national health insurance, but don’t get it.

SOURCE: http://www.pnhp.org/resources/60-percent-of-health-spending-is-already-publicly-financed-enough-to-cover-everyone


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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 12:24 PM
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14. TEN PER CENT of your income to INSURANCE COMPANIES
What's the average tax rate for the middle class - 15 or 18% - add that to the 10 per cent. Then factor in your costs of living - rent, mortgage, food, clothing etc --

The wealthy class, which includes our *representatives* are doing their best to *lock in* the middle class so they have absolutely NOWHERE to go, and NO WAY to climb out of the hole they've been shoved into, thanks to Reaganomics and perpetual WAR.

So -- the middle class kids will only get a chance to *advance* if they become cannon fodder for our corporate controlled government. Of course they have a big hurdle with that *chance* - they have to SURVIVE - not only physically but mentally.

It's BEYOND time for the working class in this country to just stand up and say NO to this absolute utter beat down they are taking by the wealthy class. It's time to stop voting for reps who are *presented* to us on a platter by celebrities, and start demanding that they WORK for US or get the hell out of Dodge.

Throw them ALL out!
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 12:26 PM
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15. Health care itself isn't as cheap as most people like to think
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 12:31 PM
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16. yeah -- so let's toss those deadbeats out on the street, right?
After all -- we're Americans. We don't NEED to think about anyone else but ourselves -- right? Let em puke all over their bootstraps and then pull themselves up by them.

right? RIGHT?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 01:12 PM
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17. Just noticed this had already been posted. Let's consolidate and please post your comments at:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 01:25 PM
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18. Thanks, your thread is less cluttered, but there is a piece of
information in that thread that might be worth posting here.

Throughout the thread someone posted an article about a Kaiser survey stating that the average premium was $13,375 and that the President's plan would cut that cost in half!

When you look at the actual survey it states that the employee contribution is only $3515, much lower than the $6270. figure mentioned in the PNHP article and the President's plan.

Links here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7774492&mesg_id=7776817

Thanks again!

:)

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