The Saddest Story

[davidswanson]

One of the most unusual books and far-and-away the saddest I have ever read is James Douglass's "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters." This is the best documented account ever produced of why and how the CIA assassinated John F. Kennedy. That the CIA did this is beyond dispute, and that the first President Bush was involved is well established by Russ Baker's book "Family of Secrets." What separates Douglass's book from the pack is his account of how Kennedy lived his final months, the actions he took that turned the CIA against him but saved the world from a nuclear holocaust and -- had he lived -- would probably have avoided the Vietnam War and brought the Cold War to a swift and peaceful conclusion.

Kennedy was a cold warrior who turned away from orthodoxy and became a heretic to those within the military industrial spook complex. He defied the demands of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the CIA on the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis, on Laos and Congo, on Berlin and Indonesia and -- above all -- on Vietnam, in opening up a dialogue with Khrushchev and with Castro, by creating a nuclear test ban treaty with the Soviet Union, by taking on the steel corporations, by firing the director of the CIA and other top officials, by planting a false story that his military advisors opposed escalation in Vietnam, by ordering a withdrawal from Vietnam, by selling wheat to the Soviet Union, by publicly and privately setting an agenda for peace and complete disarmament and world law, and by making plans to visit the Kremlin and declare the Cold War over.

This is not the Kennedy we think we know. It is certainly not the Kennedy the History Channel claims to document. But this is a Kennedy thoroughly researched and documented by the author. And if the History Channel's portrait of a sex-obsessed president has any relevance to how Kennedy acted on the large issues of war and peace, then we have an absolute moral duty to get President Obama some girlfriends fast!

Douglass has been a religious writer on the topic of religion, and that background shows up in this book, especially in the opening pages, but this atheist did not find that framing of the story distracting or troubling in the least. This is a history text and a dramatic tale by a talented researcher and summarizer of facts and their broader import.

Kennedy was the president of a nation that had already -- long before the Bush-Cheney age -- transferred tremendous power from the legislative branch to the president. This was not government of the people, but government of the person. But it was a person under the threat of death if he stepped too far out of line, a person unable to control his own military and CIA, a person able to make progress toward world peace only once Khrushchev and Castro understood that Kennedy's greatest impediment was his own bureaucracy.

Douglass shows us that Kennedy knew he was risking assassination but chose to take that risk, and that Johnson and later presidents knew what had transpired and chose not to put their necks on the line. The fear that presidents, congress members, and millions of other Americans have lived with -- allowed themselves to live with, CHOSEN to live with -- since the Kennedy assassination is the unspeakable weight dragging our republic and the world back to the abyss that Kennedy so narrowly avoided during the missile crisis, and which the powers behind the US throne would have plunged the world into could they have had their way.

Last year, Congressman Barney Frank, whose every utterance is usually televised, held a press conference to propose cutting 25% from the military budget. Not a single reporter came. This is also the story of President Kennedy's greatest and least known speech, a commencement address he gave at American University on June 10, 1963 -- a thing of beauty that no politician in Washington, outside of Dennis Kucinich, would ever come close to uttering today. Kennedy spoke of complete disarmament and world government, and announced the unilateral cessation of nuclear testing. He was urging the public toward peace, reversing the relationship the public has had with politicians ever since. In private Kennedy wrote:

"Things cannot be forced from the top. The international relinquishing of sovereignty would have to spring from the people -- it would have to be so strong that the elected delegates would be turned out of office if they failed to do it. . . . War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today."

Kennedy, like any president or member of Congress, knew that decisions he made risked many other people's lives, including those of soldiers in the U.S. military. He found the courage to risk his own life in order to save those of many others. We must demand that our elected officials today, in an era of greatly expanded power for the CIA, act on the same courage. To do so, we must find that courage ourselves.

Sometimes a sad story can be a beautiful guide forward.

[Echo In Light]

1. K&R

[H2O Man]

2. Recommended.

I try to read every book available on the Kennedy administration, including the events in Dallas. That also includes reading every point of view, no matter if the author holds opinions that are the opposite of my own.

I consider this book to be, at very least, as good as any book on JFK.

[bigtree]

3. that was one of the greatest American presidential speeches in modern history

I've stood at the spot where he delivered it at AU and reflected on it many times.

[Hekate]

4. KnRnb. Must read later.....

[Solly Mack]

5. k/r

[tom_paine]

6. For the Dulles/Bush/Cheney Junta to seize our nation, the Kennedys had to die

It's as simple as that.

And die they did, sadly.

I still maintain that Chappaquiddick saved Ted's life since it forever disqualified him from becoming President.

Yeah, yeah, it's :tinfoilhat: but so what? So was Nazi Germany, but it was real as real could be.

And the Nazis greatest American allies, the Bush Family, are now in almost complete control, even when they "lose", they remain in control.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

10. John Jr was about to enter the arena too....:(

[tom_paine]

13. Bushies were doing small plane crashes then

More subtle, more easily ignored by the general populace, plus that whole "lone gunman" charade seemed to create a lot of loose ends that needed snipping.

Small plane crashes work ever so much better, doesn't disturb the Plebs (nor cause sympathetic blowblack from the Plebs as it did with the shot-in-the-head Kennedys), and thus the Bushies can run LOTS of them without fear iof anyone noticing a pattern.

Plus, JFK, Jr.'s plane took it's evidence down to the bottom with it.

Yep, some very bad people are in charge, even when they are ostensibly "out of power", and I suppose we can be thankful that Hitler ruined it for them so they have to go very slow and carefully to get the American psyche fully ready for whatever their "Final Solution to the Liberal Problem" is.

[The Doctor.]

43. The only man on the planet who could have announced his candidacy...

and walked straight into the White House.

He died before the likely time a candidate would announce.

[flyarm]

37. why right after Obama rebuked the Repigs at their winter meetings was GHBUSH and Jebbie..

welcomed by Obama for a "social meeting" at the White House..why would Obama in one breath slap the repigs for all the media to have a hayday with and then have a private "social meeting" with papa bush and jebbie?

And why has Obama surrounded himself with Kissinger and his protoge's??????

makes me ill! and makes me question wtf is really going on !

[truedelphi]

38. One other thing that saved Kennedy's life decades later is that he

Decided at the very last minute not to hop on Wellstone's plane and fly to Eveleth MN with the Senator, his aides, his wife and his daughter.

The CiA was really hoping for two birds with one magnetic pulse that time.

[snappyturtle]

45. Absolutely! nt

[man4allcats]

7. I am just finishing this book now.

I too find it very sad and also not the least bit surprising. It has often been said that November 22, 1963 was the day the bad guys won. If you don't believe that, read this book and reflect on the last 40 plus years in America.

[liam_laddie]

8. Read this book in late 2008, highly recommended...

for all serious students of recent American history. CIA management seem to be servants of the NWO/elite. Extremely chilling, with the Patriot Act and who knows what else under the cover of "national security" and signing statements. God help this country.

[BeFree]

9. K, a sad but necessary K

[sasosp1]

14. Why did he ride in an open car in Dallas?

If JFK knew he was a target of the CIA among others why did he choose to go to Dallas, a hotbed of gun toting rightists, and ride in an open car? Why would he have done something so stupid and dangerous? I find it very difficult to believe that he was really concerned about being assassinated by the CIA.

[bertman]

16. Why did Martin Luther King, Jr. continue to make public appearances in places where

he knew there were people who wanted to kill him?

Why did Bobby Kennedy choose to become a candidate for the Presidency when he knew the same people who murdered his brother would probably try to kill him?

Why does any courageous individual continue to live life unafraid even though she/he knows the consequences could be death?

Because it's the living and trying to facilitate change that's important. Hiding and living in a bubble of security is not an option.

That's part of it, sasosp1. The rest you could probably find in the words or actions of these people and many others like them who have kept on doing the important work even in the face of death.

[sasosp1]

18. JFK in Dallas- precautions were called for if he thought he was threatened

He could have gone to Dallas and taken the precaution of riding in a closed car as any sensible person would have without sacrificing anything he was trying to achieve. If he had information that the CIA was gunning for him, he owed to to himself and his country to take precautions- his death did us much harm and no good. I maintain that he would not have ridden in the open if he thought the CIA wanted to assassinate him.

[mistertrickster]

22. Actually, there's footage on YouTube of secret service guys getting waved off

the back of the Kennedy Limo.

Two platforms with handholds had been welded to the back of the Limo for Secret Service personnel to stand on.

If they had been positioned where they were supposed to be, Oswald would have had a much more difficult -- if not impossible -- shot.

The film shows Secret Service guys starting to stand on the platform and getting shooed off . . . one wonders at who's behest.

[Octafish]

26. 15. Henry J. Rybka -- The Secret Service Agent who asked: 'Why?'

Henry J. Rybka -- The Secret Service Agent who asked: "Why?"

[defendandprotect]

32. Correct -- and then right wing spread lies that JFK

was disregarding recommendation of Secret Service for his safety --

This was completely untrue -- JFK completely cooperated with Secret Service --

That lie and many others like it were told about JFK after his death!

[Fire1]

49. This was not just the handiwork of Oswald. Even discovery

channels show that to be impossible. Bullets don't turn corners. Oswald was not a lone gunman and it's been proven time and again.

[defendandprotect]

58. In fact . . .

Oswald obviously fired no weapons that day -- and the tests showed that.

"Oswald was employed by the CIA working on high level assignments and

probably also for the FBI" --

Immediately after the assassination, journalist of course asked to see his

employment records -- W2 form -- IRS filings -- they were all denied.

However, the Tunnheim Panel -- 1992 JFK Classified Records Act -- obviously

did get to see those records and the above is their unanimous conclusion.

Evidently that was delivered to Congress in a closed session but the panel

and Discovery Channel did at one time work to get the info out. There was

a documentary wherein Tunnheim repeated those words TWICE with the text

appearing below what he was saying. That documentary was removed after a

few months of play and never seen again, as far as I know. Maybe someday

we'll see parts of it on YouTube? But would think it is still dangerous for

Tunnheim. The Discovery Channel/History Channel are now owned by Clear Channel!!

[bertman]

27. Of course, I can't speak to what he may have been thinking, but I'll say that you should

read the book so you can get a feel for where his head was at that time and why. It is not a secret. JFK told people what he was thinking and James Douglass has done well chronicling his written and spoken words.

[defendandprotect]

31. His security was removed . . SS agents should have been at the side of the limo -- as well as

motorcyclists --

Bubble top may have been kept off car, as well by those betraying him --

That was fiction that JFK didn't cooperate with Secret Service ...

just as many other lies have been told about him by right wing --

Meanwhile, they could not have taken our government without having LBJ as

president to protect them and to keep the cover up going --

Many were involved, including Nixon --

See Madelaine Brown's video on those who attended the Meeting at Clint Murchison's

house in Texas the evening before the assassination for a FULL LIST.

And, in fact, Helen Thomas had been at the social event there earlier that evening

so she also saw the full list of the plotters arriving --

The day after the assassination Helen Thomas filed an Affidavit testifying to all

of those who had arrived for the private meeting.

[sabrina 1]

11. Thanks for the review of the book. I will definitely

read it. This sentence is something many people wonder about:

This was not government of the people, but government of the person. But it was a person under the threat of death if he stepped too far out of line, a person unable to control his own military and CIA, ...

What I wonder is do those who run for office now, know this and have they already committed to doing what is expected of them? It's hard to think they do not anymore. And if so, what is the point of the people voting for any of them?

Back then, it's possible that Kennedy did not know until he got to the WH.

[davidswanson]

12. he did not know

not well until he was in office

others now should

running for office with a willingness to risk your life for peace requires no more courage, however, than joining the military, and thousands do that

[sabrina 1]

28. Yes, I kind of thought he probably did not know ~ but

now that it is pretty much established that this is an Empire, I imagine anyone who does run knows what is expected of them. Good point about people in the military risking their lives but it would take a very special politician to take the kind of risk that would be required to take a stand against those who believe in forever war ~ not to mention the fact that even if such a person existed, they would not be allowed to win.

[defendandprotect]

33. JFK had gotten some info from IKE who himself had been betrayed by CIA . . .

overall and specifically -- in his agenda for peace --

[sabrina 1]

42. Thanks, I didn't know that either.

I think Eisenhower made it clear in his speech about the MIC, that he was very aware and very worried about what was happening to this country. He has been proven to be correct. I think it is hard to believe now that anyone who has a real shot at the presidency, is not supportive of what Eisenhower tried to warn the country about.

Imo, our only hope of changing things is not with the president, regardless of party, but with Congress. Even there unless there is an overwhelming majority of members who agree with what Eisenhower said, any member who stands up against the Imperial policies of this country and seems to be having an effect, would be in as much danger of being destroyed as a president who might try to do so. What a sad realization that is.

[defendandprotect]

53. Fletcher Prouty is a great source for what has actually been going on in government . . .

In fact, Ike's speech was actually re "Military Industrial Intelligence Complex" . . .

"Intelligence" was taken out, Ike put it back in twice -- and twice it was taken out again.

You'll find a lot of Fletcher Prouty on the internet -- and I think there is still a website

up.

And, I'm sure you will find his books at your library.

He is the mysterious man that Jim Garrison meets with in DC in "JFK" --

And as he tells it, IKE had an agenda for peace overall --

and was constantly betrayed by the CIA --

In fact, re the Gary Powers flight which took place some time before the scheduled Paris

Peace Talks .... Ike had instructed that the U2 flights be grounded months before the

Peace meetings -- Yet Powers was sent up and to his amazement when he was captured he found

that he had a lot of material with him which was never supposed to be on the flight.

Whether Oswald at that time in Russia was able to help the Russians bring it down or whether

it was a matter of the plane/fuel being sabotaged, I don't remember enough about it all to

judge right now. But, obviously, Oswald was CIA and working on high level projects -- trained

to go to Russia for US intelligence. One of many, evidently.

Agree with your last paragraph in all aspects!!

The masses continue to hope for change -- the right wing elites take action!!

And they learn from the past -- they've simply bought the government which at times failed to

support them -- whether Congressmen who saw the evils of the CIA and exposed them -- or

Senators who wanted universal health care -- they're gone. And they now have the Supreme Court

they want -- or almost!

[Fire1]

50. I think this is very much the case. I think back to Clinton

and the many probable compromises not in the best interest of the people i.e., Glass/Steagel, NAFTA, FSA, etc. Since Kennedy's assassination and the exposure of subsequent research by many many authors and experts on the subject over the years, I have long since believed that no candidate really knows what he or she is up against until they're actually in the WH. That's why I believe there is such a stark contrast between what "candidate" Obama campaigned for and what President Obama can realistically deliver. Not to mention the ever present obstacle of being African American and the constant sabotage of his every effort on BOTH sides of the aisle. This is a PLANNED CONSPIRACY, imo, and will come out in later years.

Those of us who are considered "cheerleaders" and give him our unwavering support, do so for the obvious reasons associated with the fact that he is the first African American president with all the challenges that this entails. But what are the challenges that he faces that we, the people, will NEVER know?! I never forget that.

[defendandprotect]

54. Strictly re your comments . . .

Obviously, the "sexual scandal" and the entrapment of Clinton was a kind of

assassination. The public didn't want it. They were completely against it.

Many of our presidents, including FDR have made open and clear comments about who

controls the nation -- the wealthy!

That didn't stop FDR from telling us exactly what was going on, however --

How much tighter the walls have closed on the president, who knows?

Carter was also "assassinated" in many ways -- by the intelligence community.

I've also come to learn that his rescue missions of hostages which went down in the

desert two or three times were headed up by Ollie North and Secord!


On the other hand, both Clinton and Obama seem to have long been groomed for these

jobs. Reagan is another example of an "assassination" which looked like it intended

to move Bush into the White House, but went slightly wrong. They may have only intended

to incapacite him? But, they do say that after that, Bush was president.

Which is why the question of corporate money in play and the similarities of both parties

has to be dealt with by voters -- and we need a Plan B!

Otherwise we will continue to see the Democratic Party pulled to the right . . . and the

GOP moving further to the right.


hose of us who are considered "cheerleaders" and give him our unwavering support, do so for the obvious reasons associated with the fact that he is the first African American president with all the challenges that this entails. But what are the challenges that he faces that we, the people, will NEVER know?! I never forget that.

You should remember the words of Supreme Court Justic Thurgood Marshall when he was retiring

from the Court and being asked about whether Poppy Bush would appoint another African-American

to his seat. Marshall said:

"It is not the color of a snake which is important, it is whether or not it bites!"


And that also goes for gender --

[bertman]

15. K AND R. nt

[G_j]

17. K&R

bookmarked

thanks

[mirrera]

19. A must read and I agree profoundly sad. n/t

[pleah]

20. K&R

[mistertrickster]

21. Oswald worked for the CIA? It's possible, I guess.

On edit: That the CIA did this is beyond dispute . . .

Really. I've done quite a bit of research into this (after Oliver Stone's movie came out). Other than they had a motive, I don't see a lot of real evidence that the CIA did the deed.

I fully agree that some in the CIA are capable of a coup like this. I just can't agree that it is "beyond dispute."

Also, Bobby Kennedy as Att'ny General would have been in a perfect position to root out the assassins. This he did not do.

[defendandprotect]

36. Yes . . .

"Oswald was employed by the CIA working on high level assignments

and probably also for the FBI" --

That was the conclusion of the 1992 JFK Classified Records Act Panel headed by

former Gov. John Tunnheim --

Though you will not find that info since it was delivered in closed session to Congress --

and the Panel and John Tunnheim's comments verifying this were filmed and broadcast on

the Discovery Channel -- but after appearing for a few months it was pulled never to be

seen again.

Needless to say our journalists asked immediately for copies of Oswald's employment records --

his W2 form, Income taxes. They were all denied. Obviously, the Tunnheim Panel saw those records.

Certainly the CIA was involved -- that is beyond dispute --

However, many notables were involved -- kinda like the Agatha Christie novel "Death On

The Orient Express" -- they of course didn't carry it out -- CIA probably hired or

supplied assassins who did the firing.

However, if you are really interested go to YouTube and find Madelaine Brown's video where

she confirms the names of those involved --

Here's a quote from my post above ...

Meanwhile, they could not have taken our government without having LBJ as

president to protect them and to keep the cover up going --

Many were involved, including Nixon --

See Madelaine Brown's video on those who attended the Meeting at Clint Murchison's

house in Texas the evening before the assassination for a FULL LIST.

And, in fact, Helen Thomas had been at the social event there earlier that evening

so she also saw the full list of the plotters arriving --

The day after the assassination Helen Thomas filed an Affidavit testifying to all

of those who had arrived for the private meeting.

[emsimon33]

23. The book is a real page turner

I gave it to many people because I felt that the information needed to be spread.

[BrklynLiberal]

24. Wow. Thanks for this heads up...

In James W. Douglass' outstanding new book, "JFK and the Unspeakable," the author explains the title in his introduction. Coined by spiritual writer Thomas Merton, The Unspeakable refers to "an evil whose depth and deceit seemed to go beyond the capacity of words to describe." Regarding the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the Unspeakable succeeded due to deniability by the nation's citizens of the horrifying truth of the event and to plausible deniability by the government agencies responsible for the murder. (Vincent Bugliosi's recent fictional paperweight is a perfect example of the plausible deniability that allows the Unspeakable to thrive.)

Many excellent books have proven that the assassination of JFK was the result of a conspiracy. Douglass verifies the certainty of the conspiracy and, as the subtitle of the book states, explains "Why He Died and Why It Matters." He scrutinizes the historical facts surrounding the assassination, from the creation of the CIA to the gradual obliteration of the freedoms upon which this nation was founded.

This book is primarily the story of John F. Kennedy who changes from a Cold Warrior to an altruistic leader willing to risk his life to ensure that the world's children will not become victims of a nuclear catastrophe. Equal time is spent on JFK's presidency as on the assassination but one of the many rewards of this book is the author's capacity to show the relationship between his policies and his death. And the book is a tragedy because it gradually becomes obvious that each step he makes toward peace steadily increases the hatred of his enemies who will eventually betray him.
<snip>

http://www.amazon.com/JFK-Unspeakable-Why-Died-Matters/dp/1570757550

[Octafish]

25. Dulles, Lemnitzer and the JCS advised Kennedy to launch total Nuclear Pre-Emptive Attack on USSR.

Joint Chiefs and Allen Dulles wanted JFK to launch first strike against USSR.

JFK said, "No," and ordered everyone at the meeting to shut up about it. RFK wrote a note to his brother during the meeting that said (paraphrasing) "Now I know how Tojo felt," referring to Pearl Harbor.

The great DUer MinM first told me about James Douglass and his outstanding book. Here's more from MinM:

JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters

Thank you for another great post, davidswanson. If it weren't for President Kennedy, who knows what the world would we like today?

Thank God Jack Kennedy was President way back when.

[defendandprotect]

29. Sadly, the Dems still fear being labelled "soft" and are financing Bush's wars of aggression ...!!

[truedelphi]

39. Or else, they simply enjoy their starring roles in the

Kabuki's theatre's All consuming production of "Good Cop! Bad Cop! Or how I destroyed my nation's Democracy while pretending the "Other side" was preventing me from being a Decent Statesman(or Woman)"

[mmonk]

56. +1

[defendandprotect]

57. Agree with that, as well -- !!

Sad to say --

[pnorman]

30. "....commencement address he gave at American University on June 10, 1963"

A preliminary Goolle search yielded nothing. Can anyone here help me find the text of that speech?

[defendandprotect]

34. Here you go -- TEXT or you can listen to it -- !! JFK library ...

http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/Speeches/JFK/003POF03AmericanUniversity06101963.htm


You can see that would have been a teeth-gnasher for the MIC . . . !!

[pnorman]

35. Thanks MUCHO!

n/t

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[Dystopian]

41. KandR.

peace~

[colsohlibgal]

44. The Awful Truth

It is sad - anyone who really believes this was a lone nut killing hasn't been paying attention.

It literally changed the course of the USA, but then I think that was the point of the perpetrators.

[MrMickeysMom]

46. The fact this is on the Greatest page restores my faith...

... that we do not resort to "dungeon" threads in acknowledging this historical account of what Kennedy, in a much larger vision, wanted to do.

The saddest story, indeed.

K&R

[graywarrior]

47. Thank you for posting this, I will read it.

[Maat]

48. Read it, loved it, and it explained so much to me.

Kicking and recommending this!

Also loved Russ Baker's "Family of Secrets."

[Aaria]

51. Google: Conversations with the crow, There are about 100

An interview with an old CIA guy who was there.

tbrnews.org

[defendandprotect]

60. Thank you -- looks interesting . . .

Haven't read any of it yet -- but note he was also close to Angleton and

wonder about them vs others who quit the CIA when they recognized what was

really going on.

Did they try to get truth out at the end because they came to understand how

wrong what they were doing was, or because they wanted their escapades known?

Or some other reason I've yet to even consider?

[Aaria]

61. Keep searching until you find conversation one,

28ish through 100 are at the tbr.site. It's a really good read.

[KansDem]

52. You know, it all begins to fall into place...

Prescott Bush and the attack on FDR; his financing of Hitler
George HW Bush and his "don't know where I was when JFK was assassinated" (non)recollection; the call from "George Bush" to the FBI 75 minutes after JFK was shot; and his ties with the CIA
George W Bush and the stolen election; the 911 attacks and the Iraq invasion.
Jeb Bush as one of the signatories of the Statement of Principles on the PNAC website.

The VietNam escalation and meddling in Central America and the mid-east.

It all begins to fall into place...

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

55. K&R!

[omega minimo]

59. LET THE MAN ANSWER THE QUESTION HIMSELF GODDAMMIT

:puke: He can handle it. Don't coddle to the lowest common denominator. :puke:

[aungsungsuchi2]

62. after being inundated with truthers and birthers on the net

i am starting to think jfk was killed by one nut acting alone.

[TheUnspeakable]

63. David , I'm kicking this beautiful post in light of this..

Tom Hanks on his upcoming project re: the JFK assassination:

"We're going to do the American public a service," Hanks says. "A lot of conspiracy types are going to be upset. If we do it right it'll perhaps be one of the most controversial things that has ever been on TV."






Perhaps Mr. Hanks needs to read a little more.

[anonymous171]

64. Revisionist garbage of epic proportions.

Read "Rethinking Camelot" by Noam Chomsky and stop spouting this nonsense.

[ProgressOnTheMove]

65. I think a film of Ted Kennedy's memoirs by James Cameron who's not short for cash, would put ...

a lot of things to rest historically wise. He also covers a large expanse of history with his life. He gives the big picture. I think his story completes the full story of how good the Kennedys are collectively.

[sce56]

66. Yeah I think it would also show a drugged Ted being driven down he road that killed Mary Jo

That is the only thing that makes sense of how that accident happened.